Egyptian minister blames Jews for UNESCO job loss
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HonestDictator
Oh boy, he just lost credibility. The "worlds" Jews probably don't even know who you are buddy. Heck I don't even know who he is until today!
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kokorocloud
Yeah, that's a GREAT way to get sympathy. Don't blame an entire race of people for your incompetence and ignorance. Ugh.
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Molenir
I blame the arabs. No, wait, the Muslims. Yeah thats right. Them damn infidel muslims. Its all their fault. All the people who believe in that stupid religion stopped him from getting the job. If so many people didn't buy into this nonsense, it would actually be funny.
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TheQuestion
So, you blame the jews for you not getting a job who's purpose is to encourage cultural sensitivity...
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sabiwabi
Wow, we can't have important people speaking the truth about Israel, now can we?
That's right, but "a group of the world’s Jews" certainly know very well who he is, and they want him out of the picture.
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Triumvere
Heh. Threatening to "personally burn any Israeli book he found in Egypt’s famed Library of Alexandria" had nothing to do with it, of course.
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Beelzebub
Hosny might have had a decent chance if he had publicly repudiated his earlier remarks, but to do so would have likely made him the target of an assassination by extremists. It's entirely possible he would have made a great UNESCO chairman. We'll never know.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
It's interesting to note your continued trouble with phonics and reading...
From the very article at the top of this page:
'Opposition came from other quarters as well. International human rights activists, as well as some Egyptian artists and intellectuals, expressed concerns over his role in the Egyptian government’s restrictions on freedom of expression.'
That's okay, you were rather confused about your position on Bin Ladin a while back as well suggesting he was a front, then saying you didn't believe it was him in audios and videos and then agreeing with him, all pretty much in the same conversation.
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Cicada
Well, yes, but the other candidate also faced "opposition from other quarters". The decisive opposition to Farouk Hosny came from a select group of influential Jews.
Not that it matters who is in charge of the UNESCO farce anyway.
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Helter_Skelter
A conspiracy? Gimme a break. After your comments, Jews have every right to oppose your election to the UNESCO chair. You reap what you sow. Get over it.
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sabiwabi
You must be right, because I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about, and what your post has to do with mine. But then again, maybe I'm not the one with the troubles...
Moderator: Back on topic please.
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stirfry
i would assume the job requires both culture and education...something this mook is clearly lacking
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sabiwabi
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Hmmm, why would other candidates suddenly drop out? Did some "group" "encourage" them to drop out? What kind of group was it? Were they Buddhists, perhaps?
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Nessie
Inflaming Jewish sentiment is practically a requirement for political office in some countries. If only there were a Minister of Education, Culture and Arson.
It's ironic, too, considering that the library in Alexandria was burned.
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sabiwabi
In many other countries, a requirement for political office is ignoring Israeli crimes.
I wonder who burned it?
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Molenir
As opposed to making up new ones out of whole cloth. Blaming Jews and Israel from everything from crop failures, to drought. Maybe you should blame them for making your first child a girl rather then the boy you wanted too. Yes, its all a Jewish conspiracy I tells ya!
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kinniku
Kareem Nabil Soliman, or blackballed satirist Ali Salem, or chronically harassed activist
sabiwabi,
Again, it is clear you would sit down smiling and share a meal with the devil himself if he would only bad-mouth Jews or Israel. However, it really is apparent that you cannot manage to read the English that is in front of you. This is NOT a matter of Jews, some or all, it is a matter regarding a man, Farouk Hosny, who would and has censored free speech and severely punish his own countrymen merely for exercising that right to fee speech. I thought you were always rambling on about how you wanted more free speech. I guess not really, huh. You see, if you were truly interested in Muslim affairs and in the real Middle East you would know how much Farouk Hosny and his ilk have harrassed, ostracized and jailed well-known Egyptians such as Wael Abbas, Ali Salem and Kareem Nabil Soliman for merely speaking their minds. But, nahhhh, why let the truth get in the way of a good anti-semetic rant on your part, right. I certainly can see why you would take to Mr. Hosny as you seem to have. However, pardon the rest of us for caring about fairness and free-speech.
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kinniku
Sorry, I don't know how that first line ended up on top. It should be in the middle of my post...
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kinniku
Perhaps you could be a bit more specific about these 'other quarters' that opposed Irina Bokova. Why did they opposed her? I can't seem to find any reason why they would specifically oppose her.
So you, sabiwabi and Mr. Hosny say. However, the fact remains that it is merely that denying free speech and, in fact, punishing those that practice it seems to be the decisive opposition factor.
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Cicada
kinniku:
No, what is clear is that you feel the need of resorting to ad hominem attacks because your arguments fall short.
Nonsense. It is a matter of one man losing his bid for a job because of Jewish opposition. And I say that non-judgementally. It could be they are right that he is not fit for the job. But the attempt to hide the fact that the opposition was from Jewish quarters can only diminish your credibility.
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Cicada
No one really cares who is in charge of UNESCO. The best thing would be for UNESCO to be dissolved -- that would be a great end to a stupid argument over whether or not Jews will let critics of Israel be in charge of the UNESCO farce.
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kinniku
Cicada,
Interestingly you could not manage to discuss how you consider my arguments to have 'fallen short'. On the contrary, they are right on target and describe the facts honestly and truthfully.
To borrow your wording: Nonsense. He lost his bid because of the content of the opposition. NOT because some Jewish people were among the opposing voices, but because of what they and other prominent activist groups said they specifically opposed.
Sorry, but you sound pretty judgemental actually. In addition to being incorrect.
Based on the facts, you know, as opposed to the religion of some of the people bringing these facts to light, it truly seems he was not fit for the job. Funny that instead of trying to focus on that that you sought instead to jump on the 'anti-Jewish' bandwagon. Interesting that you as yet have no comment on Mr. Hosny or what people opposed about him.
Baloney, I never said there was no opposition from 'Jewish quarters' (whatever that means), I merely pointed out that there was other opposition and much of it was locally based in Egypt. You know the man's country where he worked as censor czar.
BTW, I am still waiting for a bit more specifics about these 'other quarters' that opposed Irina Bokova. Why did they opposed her? I can't seem to find any reason why they would specifically oppose her.
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Cicada
kinniku;
If no one opposed her, then it was unanimous, eh? Are you saying that no one opposed Irina Bokova?
If so, then why is opposition to Mr. Hosny an issue?
Read the article, and you see that opposition to Irina Bokova (preference for others) was quite strong, which is why they needed to get other candidates out.
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Cicada
kinniku:
This is playing a game of semantics. More plainly speaking, he lost his bid because of the content of the Jewish opposition. You seem determined to claim that there was significant non-Jewish opposition, but you provide no specifics. What significant non-Jewish oppositon was there? (more significant than any opposition to Bokova). None. That is indeed why
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kinniku
No, some people obviously supported Mr. Hosny more. That doesn't mean they OPPOSED Ms. Bokova. You are claiming some specific knowledge of opposition to Ms. Bokova from certain quarters. Who are they? You still seem so shy to answer...I guess they weren't 'Jewish', huh? Is that the problem with your memory?
Again, this problem of not checking facts before skipping on down 'blame it on some Jews' lane. I wrote specifically reasons why he was opposed and according to the article some Jewish people also gave specific reasons why he was opposed. It is the content of the opposition, NOT the fact that some of the opposition were Jews that was the reason Mr. Hosny did not get the job. The CONTENT revealed a LACK of cultural awareness in addition to a LACK of awareness of the rights of free lawful actions and speech. Again, in case you were just sleeping, that CONTENT is the reason for him being denied, NOT the religion of the opposition.
Interesting again, that you cannot speak to the content, but can only speak to the religion of some of the opposition who made people aware of the content.
Nope. I read the article again for your benefit and, of course, I found no such strong opposition against Ms. Bokova mentioned in the article. In fact, quite the opposite, opposition was so strong against Mr. Hosny, that the opposition tried to "consolidate support for a strong challenger to the Egyptian candidate." (Pssstt! Let me help you. It is in the article above this discussion.)
Ahh, I see, you have aquired a case of phonics and reading troubles. I mentioned clearly that Egyptian artist and human rights activists such as Wael Abbas, Ali Salem and Kareem Nabil Soliman and artists and human rights activists supporting them specifically opposed Mr. Hosny. You have mentioned no one and nothing in terms of your glib claim that Ms. Bokova had 'strong opposition'. Still waiting for any specifics whatsoever.Guess that'll be a long way, huh?
No, he lost because of ALL the content of opposition. Again, the 'Jewishness' of the people had nothing to do with the content. That is unless someone being Jewish or not matters to a person and would lead them to feel one way or the other about said content. It seems someone being Jewish has lead you to at least lean a certain way as you seem to know little or nothing about Mr. Hosny. I mean, you have made little effort to comment about the man or his policies and actions. They don't seem to matter to you.
Let me give you a hint. If you would like to be a fair-minded person, you would do well to look at the content of what people say and spend less time thinking about what religion they may or may not be...
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Molenir
Just want to say, I agree with this 100%. Although at times with Muslim extremism, its very hard to do.
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Nessie
It's thought that invading Romans burned the library at Alexandria accidentally.
The bottom line: A prospective book-burner should have nothing to do with education, no matter what book.
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grafton
kinniku at 10:56 PM JST - 24th September
When I saw the headline I felt sure it would lead to a Wasabi comment, as for Cicada he seems to have got himself into a corner & can’t get out. You could be kind & let him off the hook because he hasn’t the sense to jump. As for all that you have written I agree 100%, even if I do feel that you are banging your head on a brick wall with these two.
Wasabi, another of my questions for you to never get around to answering. Imagine that I want a job in an organisation that requires that I be impartial in respect to all the nations of the world, but before going for the job interview I announce to the world that I think every copy of the Koran should be burned. If I then failed to get that job because many, many Muslims objected to what I had said would I be right to say I had lost the job because of a Muslim conspiracy? Or because I had been a big mouth bigoted idiot?
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Cicada
molenir:
And why do you think it would be easy to do with Jewish extremism?
grafton:
Yes, of course. You would have lost the job due to Muslim objections, just as Hosny did not get his job due to Jewish objections.
Naturally, there would be people blabbering that the religon had nothing to do with it, only the CONTENT, but clearly that's not the case.
Thank you for the clarifying analogy.
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kinniku
Cicada,
Still the phonics and reading trouble, huh? In Grafton's very well thought out analogy, it is the CONTENT that is objectionable and as in the case of Mr. Hosny, it would not be religion of the objectors but the CONTENT that would cause the person to lose their job. In addition, it was not only one group from one religion that cased Mr. Hosny to lose his job. So, your suggestion that the religions of the objectors somehow made Mr. Hosny lose his job are patently rediculous. As I have already pointed out, he lost his job because of his LACK of cultural awareness in addition to a LACK of awareness of the rights of free lawful actions and speech.
Oh, still waiting for that very specific 'strong opposition' that Ms. Bokova faced. (You know 'that' strong opposition you completely incorrectly suggested was in the article above, but is not.) Could you tell us who specifically opposed her so strongly and on what their oppositions were based?
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ballboy
Excellent posts, kinniku.
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Cicada
kinniku:
Yes, I see, just as it is not your religion but the CONTENT of your posts that makes your arguments so facile.
The simple fact is that Jewish opposition prevented Hosny from getting the position. Why twist yourself into contortions trying to show otherwise?
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kinniku
Cicada,
How is the CONTENT of my post mistaken in any way? You see, you neglected to inject any CONTENT in your own post. Again, because you definitely seem asleep at the wheel, it is was Mr. Hosny did and said that caused him to lose the chance at the position at UNESCO. It was the man's LACK of cultural awareness in addition to a LACK of awareness of the rights of free lawful actions and speech. You know, the CONTENT, that you still have not managed to comment about even once. The ONLY thing you have manage to comment about is the religion of SOME of the objectors to Mr. Hosny based on Mr. Hosny's own actions and words. ALL the opposition prevented Mr. Hosny from getting the position and seeing Mr. Hosny's words and actions that the objectors were opposed to makes me feel they were correct. You have ONLY comment on the religion of some of the objectors. It seems that is all that is important or interesting to you about this story. I guess that is the reason you have been so busy that you still keep me waiting for that very specific 'strong opposition' that Ms. Bokova faced. (You know 'that' strong opposition you completely incorrectly suggested was in the article above, but is not.) Could you tell us who specifically opposed her so strongly and on what their oppositions were based?
I guess when you are so obsessed with religion it blinds you to the point that you see words in articles that don't even exists...Maybe that is why you have been keeping me waiting?
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Cicada
kinniku:
I think if you observe the phonics and reading rules you sometimes loudly espouse, you will notice that I did not claim your posts were mistaken. I called them facile.
Clearly Hosny lost the job due to Jewish objections, but you have constructed a facade of argumentation pretending that these are not Jewish objections. Maybe some others find your repetitious circular reasoning persuasive, but I do not.
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kinniku
Cicada,
If someone hits you and you call the police and they are arrested. Were they arrested because you called or because they hit you? The answer: because they hit you. It was what Mr. Hosny did and said that lost him the job and not a Jewish conspiracy you and Mr. Hosny have decided to create. Now, do you want that phonics web link to help you the next time we chat?
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rajakumar
Egypt,these UNESCO Jobs are no big deal,get over it.
Many charity foundation jobs can be created in Egypt , and do more.
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kinniku
I think you need to be telling Mr. Hosny to 'get over it', as it was his insensitivity and censorship that lost him the job.
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Nessie
Game to Kinniku...game, set, match.
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