Thursday February 16, 2012

F-18 crash in San Diego kills 2 on ground

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    rajakumar

    F-18s should be grounded and US Govt /US Air force should be sued for killing 2 innocent victims in San Diego.

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    USNinJapan2

    rajakumar

    The US Air Force had absolutely nothing to do with this accident.

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    techall

    rajakumar:

    The FA-18 is one of the most reliable warplanes in the world. Accidents happen, the unfortunate victims will be compensated and the causes will be investigate.

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    Pump24

    The FA-18 has proven itself a great airplane. If you saw the wreckage, it's amazing that only a couple homes were totally destroyed. Coming in out of control at 200+ mph, the damage could have been widespread and catastrophic. I sincerely believe the pilot did all he could to save more lives, before ejecting. My heart goes out to those lost in this terrible accident.

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    timorborder

    Just out of interest, what ever happened to the idea of riding the plane down in such events to make sure that nobody else bought the bullet. I seem to remember a pilot in Illinois about 10 years ago who chose to buy the farm rather than bailing out. At the same time, however, I am not passing judgement on this or any incident. I would just be interest to know what current ideas regarding such matters.

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    cleo

    Accidents happen, the unfortunate victims will be compensated

    How do you compensate someone for being dead? Hold a seance and burn paper money for them?

    timorborder - I would imagine the high-ups take a dim view of losing an expensively-trained pilot for the sake of (perhaps) saving a couple of civilians (We're heard before ad nauseum that civilians are 'collateral damage'.)

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    techall

    Cleo: Obviously compensation for the deceased is paid to their survivors. Compensation for injury and property damage is paid to the victims.

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    cleo

    Obviously compensation for the deceased is paid to their survivors.

    Obviously. Which means it's pretty poor compensation. Not saying that the military will not do everything in their power to help the victims/survivors, but that throwaway 'accidents happen' got right up my nose. As though tossing money at people makes everything all right.

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    Nessie

    I would imagine the high-ups take a dim view of losing an expensively-trained pilot for the sake of (perhaps) saving a couple of civilians (We're heard before ad nauseum that civilians are 'collateral damage'.)

    I'm certain the high ups would rather lose a plane and a highly trained pilot than have the bad publicity of civilian deaths, Cleo -- and I'm hardly an apologist for the military. You show little understanding for bureaucratic realities.

    If the pilot had died steering the plane to avoid civilian deaths, the good publicity would have been well worth the loss of plane and pilot, from the viewpoint of the military brass.

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    Nessie

    The corallary, Cleo: It's collatoral damage when foreign civilains are involved and civilian deaths when domestic civilians are involved.

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    techall

    Cleo:

    Not meant as a throw away at all. Nothing is "accident proof" but when the unfortunate happens, the military is usually more generous in settlement than commercial interests. Hell, the news helicopters covering the accident are more prone to falling on civilians than the FA-18. Anyway my sympathies to the victims.

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    SuperLib

    It's tragic that someone woke up this morning only to be killed by a falling plane. The way people die seems so random to me sometimes.

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    cleo

    It's collatoral damage when foreign civilains are involved and civilian deaths when domestic civilians are involved.

    That's the point I was subtly and sarcastically trying to make, Nessie - obviously I was too subtle.

    techall -

    If you didn't mean it as a throwaway, fair enough, I apologise for having an over-sensitive nose.

    I think I must have read too many reports of planes crashing in other places and posts that basically say, 'They can't complain, we're all that stands between them and China/if it wasn't for us they'd be speaking German, etc etc'. As Nessie points out, where the civilians happen to live seems to make a world of difference, to some people at least.

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    SuperLib

    Who on earth said the families can't complain? Obviously they can. I think some were trying to stop you from going down the road where you criticize a necessary evil as if it simply should not exist. Perhaps it was an assumption on their part, but it did seem like to me that that's the direction you were heading in. I just chose not to comment on it until now.

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    Helter_Skelter

    where the civilians happen to live seems to make a world of difference, to some people at least..

    Cleo is apparently trying to get some political mileage out of what appears to be an unfortunate accident. Truly bad form.

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    Pump24

    If you know the area, it's a densely populated suburb of San Diego that stretches right up to the airstrip. Really, no different than any airport in any urban city. The crash being a military jet should make no difference; it was an accident. I know of no Pilot, military or commercial, who didn't fight with their disabled plane until nothing more could be done. Truly tragic for all involved.

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    tigermoth

    I too initially thought that perhaps the pilot should have 'stuck it out' to see to it that the aircraft didn't crash into anything/anyone. But that's erroneous thinking I believe. With prop driven aircraft where there is more control and time, this could be an argument. In a modern fighter jet with a dead engine (I don't believe they glide very well)- I'm sure the guy did all he could and would only have added his own death to those that occured had he stayed on board.

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    Taka313

    What a sad event.

    I wish the best for those affected by this crash, those who lost loved ones and property, and the pilot, who is likely dealing with some serious doubts and guilt issues.

    Taka

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    rajakumar

    According to a news source some F-18s have developed cracks and some were grounded before this incident.

    Aircrafts need good maintenance and safety records.

    Guess more people in world,now have a new problem,death via droping fighter jets.

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