Florida community, Obama pause to honor shooting victims

The rampage began at 2 a.m. and ended three hours later with Mateen, an American-born Muslim described as a club regular by other patrons, being killed by a police SWAT team.

The deranged killer was unimpeded by any gun law that neither prevent a watch list person of interest or a wait period for his access to weapons of mass destruction and as much ammunition as he wished for.

No loon, or anyone under investigation for terrorist ties or violent crime should be able to purchase a gun of any kind. This simply makes sense. Oh, I didn't take a tragedy for me to come to that conclusion. It has been a long belief of mine. Media doesn't sway my opinions to the degree most others are.

“So the responsibility for it lies with President Barack Obama and his failed policies,” Senator McCain said.

Senator McCain failed to mention the dictates of the NRA made military grade weapons available, with no waiting periods and as much ammunition as the deranged killer wished for, in the Republicans removal of restriction on weapons of mass destruction in 2004 under George W. Bush.

Obviously the MSM has fed the sheep more lies. He did not have a military grade weapon and the assault rifle ban EXPIRED in 2004. It just so happened Under Bush. And Bush must have been justified to invade Iraq for those WMD's.

President Obama goes to Orlando and is criticized, had he not gone he would have been criticized.

Actually, our President is well received when he speaks to survivors of tragic events. He is highly intelligent, thoughtful, good and will be missed when his term is over. As a nation, we are fortunate to have him, he was the right person at exactly the right time.

Best President ever!

Adam Jentleson, a spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said McCain’s “unhinged comments are just the latest proof that Senate Republicans are puppets of Donald Trump.” - article

Actually, the Republican Senators are showing they haven't the intestinal fortitude to stand for the rule of law and the will of the American People.

With 145 days till the election, the Republican Party is being eviscerated by Donald J. Trump.

Trump may have his wish, but it is unlikely the American People will have Trump; except, of course, in the pending prosecution for fraud in Federal Court.

Don't forget the legitimate FBI investigation into Hillary kc. And you probably don't know about the Mddle East monies she gladly accepted for her campaign. "Fight for Woman's Rights" my arse!

Is it truely the will of the people or the propaganda reported which is the will of those who own the MSM. Look into that, you will find your opinions are driven by someone else.

I fully support a ban on assault rifles. But a ban will not stop terrorist attacks. There are plenty of ways these highly motivated Islamic terrorist can kill scores of people. The Trade Towers were taken down with box cutters!

Face it our societies are full of soft targets and there are plenty of dedicated terrorist determined to cause us much pain.

I'm not convinced one way or the other on a temporary ban on Muslim immigration. But I would like to hear from the other side how they propose our civilized societies should protect ourselves from these barbaric attacks?

Seriously, convince me there is a better way. I'm ready to be persuaded.

I would like to hear from the other side how they propose our civilized societies should protect ourselves from these barbaric attacks?

Someone in the Middle East could have uttered these exact same words

@MarkG - my opinion is guns are bad. Now please spout off your opinions fed to you from the NRA and other like minded groups and individuals on how "guns don't kill people"

Florida community, Obama pause to honor shooting victims

The Hollywood gay community has a message of their own.

http://ktla.com/2016/06/16/rainbow-shootback-signs-posted-across-west-hollywood/

Now please spout off your opinions fed to you from the NRA and other like minded groups and individuals on how "guns don't kill people"

Okay so guns people. So do radical islamic wackjobs. What did Omar say," There will be more attacks in America." The NRA, Trump and Trump are not making this stuff up. But people deny this "radical islam" because they'd rather be politically correct.

Glad the LGBT in Hollywood are toughening up!

So Obama goes to the site of a jihadist mass murder and does not mention the "i" word even once. Instead he touts his political agenda. It is tragic. And the mass media journalists and their followers still support this man.... unbelievable.

The ban will not stop these "terrorist attacks" for a song as our government continues to be obsessed with invading countries, and bombing the hell out of brown people, especially from countries with lucrative minerals and natural resources. Sadly, our government created this mess that we find ourselves in. The sad part is that innocent lives are lost in between. Since when are we the police and dictator of the world? Overthrowing foreign regimes, killing its leaders, destroying their infrastructures and replacing them with puppet leaders who only serve the interests of the US and their allies. Sometimes i'm ashamed to call myself an American, when i look at what my country has done.

With the Clinton administration, there was the Taliban, with Bush came Al Qaeda, and now with Obama there's ISIS. Which terror group will emerge from the next US president? The freedom we thought we used to have as Americans is long gone.

The freedom we thought we used to have as Americans is long gone.

Hmm sorry you feel this way. All the other, nightclubs will be open this weekend (not The Pulse). Moviegoers will go the movies. Bars, Restaurants, Shopping Malls, Amusements Parks will be open. The American people are making plans for 4th of July weekend which is just around the corner.

We cannot let the knuckle-dragging, radical savages scare us. We mustn't live in fear.

Okay so guns people. So do radical islamic wackjobs

A whackjob with a gun is a whackjob with a gun. Nobody has denied that radical islamic whackjobs exist. Not mentioning it is not the same as denying it. There are people however who think that guns used properly are safe. If it's not clear... the massacre in Orlando was actually using guns for their intended purpose.

A whackjob with a gun is a whackjob with a gun

True, but the radical islam ideology these whackjobs are poisoned with poses a far greater threat. This is why we should stop being all pc, refraining from using the term.

In Florida, as in San Bern and Chatanooga TN, islam pulled the trigger. Not the NRA.

Republicans removal of restriction on weapons of mass destruction in 2004 under George W. Bush.

So what about lever or bolt action automatic guns? AR-15 is technically NOT an assault rifle. So for you libs, how many rounds is satisfactory for you? I have rifles that fire 5-10 rounds is that suitable for you guys? Lever actually implies to a REPEATING firearm. This president is nuts, because of his own cowardice and unwillingness to go after the enemy which is Jihadism, he has to politicize and make the issue about guns, which we have seen again in London and Paris, it wouldn't do a thing but give terrorists an advantage and give people the inability to protect themselves, because once the so called AR-15 is removed, what's next and which guns, rifles? Lever action guns? If they are used, then I guess we have to ban them as well.

"Someone in the Middle East could have uttered these exact same words"

10 Muslim countries have the death penalty for homosexuality. Barbaric? Stoning woman to death for having sex outside marriage is the law of the land. Etc etc. These are mainstream Muslim concepts. Of course there are enlightened Muslims as well. But we shouldn't think of the extremists as being a few bad apples.

The US didn't create the mess. In the. Muslim world. But we have made it worse I agree. Again I ask, what should we do? Walk away from the region. ? Turn it over to the most extreme factions?

All the Trump haters seem to miss the fact he is the most out spoken critic of US adventurism on either side ( except Bernie of course) he has also he would find a way to keep weapons out of the hands off terrorists. He is talking to the NRA. Suggesting he might buck the rigid 'don't touch our guns' mentality the NRA has instilled so universally in the right.

This president is nuts, because of his own cowardice and unwillingness to go after the enemy which is Jihadism,

If only he would declare war on radical Islam, utter those magic words, the terrorists would start shaking in their boots/sandals and turn away from their evil ways. And then we mop up.

it wouldn't do a thing but give terrorists an advantage and give people the inability to protect themselves

So, let's see, Florida has some of the most lenient gun control laws, and yet not one good guy was able to get this bad guy? You wanna offer free loaded guns to customers to anyone who buys a drink at a bar?

once the so called AR-15 is removed, what's next and which guns, rifles? Lever action guns? If they are used, then I guess we have to ban them as well.

And if we prohibit people from owning their own nuclear warheads to protect themselves from Lord Obama, what's to say we can't ban them from owning fruit paring knives? Slippery slope, baby.

"Please If only he would declare war on radical Islam, utter those magic words, the terrorists would start shaking in their boots/sandals and turn away from their evil ways. And then we mop up."

"once the so called AR-15 is removed, what's next and which guns, rifles? Lever action guns? If they are used, then I guess we have to ban them as well."

You guys both realize you are just regurgitating the talks points drilled into your heads right?

Neither of those statements say anything of any significance. Even Obama's use of irony is repeated. Well done. Sorry, these issues are a bit more nuanced. And we should think them out for ourselves.

Another day, more window-licking from the Obama-obsessed. There will be no reprieve when HRC is sworn in after the Insane Party is utterly decimated by reckless Trump in November. If anything, the shrieking is just going to get worse.

If only he would declare war on radical Islam, utter those magic words, the terrorists would start shaking in their boots/sandals and turn away from their evil ways. And then we mop up.

No, him uttering the words gives validation and admission that there is a problem with radical jihadism and making a commitment to undertake serious and decisive measures to deal and combat this growing threat. The terrorists don't need to shake, they haven't for 7 years, probably laughed their butts off at this guy, but at least it's a confirmation that the president is taking it seriously instead of NOT wanting to deal with this issue and thus needs a metaphor which would be the gun issue.

So, let's see, Florida has some of the most lenient gun control laws, and yet not one good guy was able to get this bad guy? You wanna offer free loaded guns to customers to anyone who buys a drink at a bar?

I wanna get rid of gun free zones.

Another day, more window-licking from the Obama-obsessed.

Obama obsessesed??? You guys are still talking and blaming Bush from 9 years ago, give me a break!

There will be no reprieve when HRC is sworn in after the Insane Party is utterly decimated by reckless Trump in November. If anything, the shrieking is just going to get worse.

And then once reality sets in and you guys realized you were wrong and Hillary is off to get fitted with her new orange pantsuits, the look will be as they say, priceless! Lol

I just want to see an open honest discussion about this issue. Instead we see both sides of the spectrum twisting things to fit their agenda. Calling Islamic inspired terror what it is was a small first step.

So for you libs, how many rounds is satisfactory for you?

Zero.

Harry Reid has been Senate Minority leader not a majority leader.

McCain disrupted Trump campaign office and Trump started Attacking McCain's war record. trump attacking by other candidate followed and of cause others All disappeared and Trump is now top

@ink.

Definition of politician does not include honesty.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen, tolerant European liberals want to make it impossible for Americans to lose their constitutional right to bear arms and pray that the Second Amendment is completely eradicated from the constitution and we are left at the mercy of the large, very large federal government to tell us what to do and take our guns away ultimately. I have to say this, as weak and as inefficient congress is on most occasions, here is where they've shown their resistance and heavy opposition to internally Obama's most gratifying snag just before he heads out of office.

@Toshiko

I know. That's why I hope the people can have a civilized discussion without dragging the politicians' talking points in. It's our best hope. But it looks out of reach.

@Strangerland

I think for progress everyone needs to look at compromise. Zero bullets is not realistic and only fuels the other side to say, see this is what we need to worry about. Let's all try to agree on banning assault rifles. Try to find common ground.

Zero bullets is not realistic and only fuels the other side to say, see this is what we need to worry about.

That doesn't make the other side right, or even have any validity. I understand that my comments are not going to convince them one whit that guns are a bad idea, but acquiescing to them and moving to something 'more reasonable' simply gives them the impression that their position actually has any validity.

When opposing sides insist on finding no validity on the other side gridlock ensues. You can be part of that or part of a solution.

@inkjet

Even if you could ban all AR it wouldn't appease the left, as soon as some nut job commits a mirder with a sawed off shot gun or any rifle or 22 is used, then liberals would say ban them as well, you are walking on a very slim slippery slope. Where does it end? Sorry, but the left doesn't have any ground to stand on this. There are a few Democrats in congress that are NRA supporters, even Harry Reid is one and have you ever notice he is completely silent on the gun pissue?

Politicians stay silent because they are afraid of the NRA. The NRA has planted this idea that if you give in on AR the next thing is all guns are gone. I don't buy that for a minute. Think about how tough this AR debate is, can you try to imagine the debate on hunting rifles? It wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell. This idea that any compromise means defeat is poison to our society. It's a mess and we the people have to face it. We are so wound up by the talking heads we are all half nuts.

Just watched Trump's interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News - "Donald Trump: What happened in Orlando is a disgrace." Have to admit Trump is right when he says allowing this to happen is a disgrace.

@inkjet

This idea that any compromise means defeat is poison to our society.

It certainly has had a toxic effect on this debate. Yet that idea runs deep to the core of American society, it's cultural. The United States was founded on the principle individualism, as opposed to collectivism. American culture is all about individual uniqueness and achievement and subsequently creates a competitive environment. Give and take becomes win or lose and the process is impeded.

This kind of thing is rarely seen in a collective society where the group holds preeminence over the individual. Most, if not all, Asian cultures are collective in nature and I can't think of any Asian nation where this kind of debate would ever take place. I have friends who find it almost incomprehensible that this debate is taking place at all, anywhere.

Politicians stay silent because they are afraid of the NRA.

Why? What can the NRA do to them that has them so scared? Their membership is only around one percent of the population; what they spend in lobbying and political action is a pittance compared to the money flowing in from big pharma and the other big spenders. What is their leverage that allows them so much power?

It certainly has had a toxic effect on this debate. Yet that idea runs deep to the core of American society, it's cultural. The United States was founded on the principle individualism, as opposed to collectivism. American culture is all about individual uniqueness and achievement and subsequently creates a competitive environment. Give and take becomes win or lose and the process is impeded.

Excellent, well said.

This kind of thing is rarely seen in a collective society where the group holds preeminence over the individual. Most, if not all, Asian cultures are collective in nature and I can't think of any Asian nation where this kind of debate would ever take place. I have friends who find it almost incomprehensible that this debate is taking place at all, anywhere.

Agreed.

Why? What can the NRA do to them that has them so scared?

The NRA has like the Teachers Unions, powerful constituents on both sides. You have a lot of Democrats as well as liberals, (Harry Reid is one of them) that are beholden to their constituents, this is why congress can't and won't do anything because many (liberals) are supporters themselves and they are not about to cut their political throats.

Their membership is only around one percent of the population; what they spend in lobbying and political action is a pittance compared to the money flowing in from big pharma and the other big spenders. What is their leverage that allows them so much power?

As much as many liberals and I'm talking about the elite, moan and groan and complain about guns and the ones that don't own any, their private security does. They can go out, preach to the country with anger and distain, but they don't have to worry about their personal safety because they have people with guns that will do it for them. Hypocrites. From hunters, gun collectors and enthusiasts as well as gun supporters ensuring that the Second Amendment is protected, that this will get a lot of traction or the banning of the AR is daunting task and an uphill battle. We can have a debate, but I think the over reactionary paranoia on guns and Obama trying to deflect the issue and trying to politicize it, pivot it from his failed policies when it comes to combating terrorism is extremely mind-numbing.

Obama trying to deflect the issue and trying to politicize it, pivot it from his failed policies when it comes to combating terrorism is extremely mind-numbing.

How can this clown combat it bass? When he can even look it in the eye. The whole pc thing, not saying "radical islam" is nothing more than sick propaganda on his part.

"The United States was founded on the principle individualism"

Way back in the beginning the Continental Congress was deadlocked most of the summer debating the Constitution. It was the hottest summer in years, tempers were raging. The State Representatives were hoplesses divided. Occasionally someone would ride off back to their home state. Ben Franklin would fetch them back. The press declared an agreement was impossible, there would be no Constitution from this Congress. The states saw themselves as seperate entities with there own individual agendas.

But a Constitution did come. When asked how he pulled it off Franklin said, 'When I got every individual to admit there was a chance they could be wrong an agreement fell into place.' We need better leaders like good ol' Ben.