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  notimpressed at 09:02 AM JST - 20th May

  Nasty business.

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  Zen_Builder at 09:32 AM JST - 20th May

  Yeah.

  I lived in SA from 1987 to 1997. So I seen the country during apartheid rule and after. Also seen the violence in the townships, etc.

  A long way from what it was portrayed in the western media. I could tell stories, same way if the africans wanted to take over they could have done so a looong time ago as each household employs 1~2 atleast. Letting them cook, clean house, look after kids, etc. Not surprised at all at current events was just a matter of time.

  Said that during the 1994 election a lot of "blacks" voted con-anc as they could see what was happening. I.e.: increased Utilities(which were fixed), housing loans(again fixed and lower than for whites), etc but no increase in salaries. Add to that increasing immigrants from northern countries and you got current situation.

  Said that NONE of the current african residents in South Africa are native s they moved in after the whites killed the hottentots, etc so the country don't truly belong to either.

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  Zen_Builder at 09:36 AM JST - 20th May

  Forgot to add.

  Seen guys blown up at bus stations by the ANC, Mandela was a leader of their military wing.

  Just saying very different from what was shown in the media. I worked with a LOT of blacks, muslims, etc and we all got along. ben to their homes in soweto, etc. IBM manager has a 6 bedroom mansion with pool, tennis-court and 4-car garage in Soweto. Like any city it has its poor and rich areas but only the poor ones are shown on western TV.

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  skipthesong at 10:06 AM JST - 20th May

  I thought all the racism was going to stop after Mandela took over - what happened?

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  Zen_Builder at 10:17 AM JST - 20th May

  Racism in SA was always goverment instituted not on a personal level as it is in most countries.

  Races got well along during apartheid, except for the few radical elements. Problem is that the ANC(kohsa) promised that they guys would take over white housing, etc. Which never happened. The few that moved into "white" areas soon found out that houses are NOT furnished as on TV and that their Rand50 payments for FREE electricity/water/etc didn't apply. Never mind that their loans went up xx.

  In short racism in SA was always more between black vs black, put a sotho/khosa into a Zulu gang he was dead at end of shift, etc.

  The Zulu major group was always pro-white but a minority/radical group got into power.

  I can get more into details, just not on here.

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  Everton2 at 11:02 AM JST - 20th May

  Zen Builder you are insane to suggest that racism in South Africa has been more a product of black on black violence. Apartheid was a state institution designed to maintain the status quo, where whites including many Jews occupied the apex of south African society and the disenfranchised blacks at the bottom.

  It severely affected the lives of black people who were required to carry ID cards indicated where they were permitted to go. Whites did not have to carry ID cards, and If you say that was not personal then what is? Under apartheid for all blacks what you will be in life was determined at birth.

  The white security forces under Apartheid operated like death squads terrorizing the black community. Moreover, they had strict control of the media and the judiciary was in total support of the system and as such many crimes against blacks were never reported or let alone prosecuted. In short, apartheid allowed whites to mistreat blacks with impunity and you say it was not personal. Individual whites loved Apartheid and wanted it to remain as it benefited them and gave them a high standard of living predicated on the subjugation of millions.

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  Everton2 at 03:45 PM JST - 20th May

  Zen Builder- your statements is just outrageous. What you are alleging is that the majority of blacks in South Africa were essentially happy with their lot, happy little tribal operatives dancing along and if it were not for a few agitators like Mandela. That they were essentially happy with their smoked hazed shanty towns, no toilets, inferior education and the ever present racial glass ceiling. That they were happy to clean white homes take care of white children while their own languish in poverty and disease.

  Blacks and whites never got along in South Africa. What existed was an uneasy peace that had the black majority firmly positioned at the wrong end of an automatic weapon. If they got along so well then why were there so many blacks killed by the authorities under suspicious circumstances? Why were there so many blacks imprisoned without trial? Why were there thousands of black political prisoners under Apartheid? If they got along so well then why is it that the entire budget of the White South Africa armed forces were geared towards acquiring the capacity to put down unrest in the townships? The white regimes use of armored personnel carriers with special positioned guns became the weapon of choice against protesting black school children. Man get a grip!!!!

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  skipthesong at 04:35 PM JST - 20th May

  Zen Builder: I am with Everton for the most part.. what is your point?

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  super delegate at 07:24 PM JST - 20th May

  And JoBurg is going to host the World Cup?

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