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  buddha4brains at 10:38 PM JST - 29th May

  RomeoRamenil, what "radicals". Most ordinary people understood back in late 2001 that Bush & Co. wanted war in the worst way (and they got it). It was plainly obvious that when traditional American allies who supported Bush going into Afghanistan balked at going into Iraq that there were serious credibility problems with the Bush push to war in Iraq. There is no mystery to McClellan's book and the so-called reaction from the WH is merely mock shock as a way to cover what they think no one can see.

  It isn't even all that interesting theatre, perhaps as farce, but mostly sad.

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  Madverts at 10:46 PM JST - 29th May

  "It isn't even all that interesting theatre, perhaps as farce, but mostly sad."

  True, but those still loyal to the sect just keep on shrieking, whatever Reality is slapped in their faces.

  Finding a bush supporter in a few years will be like finding a Nazi supporter in post-war Germany.

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  Sarge at 11:01 PM JST - 29th May

  "those still loyal to the sect just keep on shrieking"

  Heh, the shriekers are the Bush haters.

  "Finding a ( Bush ) supporter in a few years will be like finding a Nazi supporter in post-war Germany"

  Heh, Bush hands over power to the next president in a little over 8 months.

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  Madverts at 11:20 PM JST - 29th May

  But keep on whining uh, sarge. It must really grind your gears to have supported Bush Co all these years to now find yourself in a tiny minority of fidels that still think there's a milligram of scruples at the helm of the bush sect.

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  usaexpat at 11:40 PM JST - 29th May

  Well I have no reason to question the truth of McClellan's accounts. I think he is coming out with what most people already realise. The fact that he has been generous enough to say that Bush didn't set out to lie to the public and that the war was the result of a greater plan poorly made lends credibility that he is not just bashing his former boss. My wife had read this tory elsewhere on the net and we both joked that he must have been told he was dying and wanted to save his soul for all the lies he told. Anyway, the only "shocking" thing about this book is that one of Bush's circle has finally decided to break ranks and tell the truth.

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  zurcronium at 12:38 AM JST - 30th May

  anyone with an IQ over 50, that is higher than bush in other words, knew the whole invasion was a sham. the liberals on this this board made that clear before the invasion. The same deadenders who brayed about the WMD of that didnt exist now bray about facing reality once again as outlined by the former insdier mcclellan. Truth is a about as natural for them aa a polar bear in the mojave.

  Its all was simply propaganda to cover for getting the oil and jacking up the prices as we see them today. Thata all. Story over. Wingers jacked yet once again by their dear leaders.

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  adaydream at 03:57 AM JST - 30th May

  zurcronium

  Its all was simply propaganda to cover for getting the oil and jacking up the prices as we see them today.

  It was to grab the oil before Saddam sold it on the europeon market. Saddam threaten top sell it for euros instead of USD. This is the same threat that Iran has made and the US threatens war over WMD just like Iraq.

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  Sarge at 10:17 AM JST - 30th May

  Madverts ( 11:20 PM ) - "tiny minority of fidels"

  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

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  vultor at 05:36 AM JST - 31st May

  McClellan would make Judas proud!

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  RomeoRamenII at 03:59 PM JST - 31st May

  Hmmmm, what did he say about Richard Clarke a few years ago? Heh, can you say hypocrite?

  "McClellan also took issue with the book by former Bush White House counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, "Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror," on March 22, 2004:

  McCLELLAN: Well, why, all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns, did he not raise these sooner? This is one-and-a-half years after he left the administration. And now, all of a sudden, he's raising these grave concerns that he claims he had. And I think you have to look at some of the facts. One, he is bringing this up in the heat of a presidential campaign. He has written a book and he certainly wants to go out there and promote that book."

  http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/index.html

  RR

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  Jahdog at 09:01 AM JST - 1st June

  Shoot messenger! Ignore history!

  6/97: PNAC drafts a statement of principles to make the case that the US should use its position as the world's only superpower to shape the events of the 21st century...that the use of military power and bold global leadership will be essential elements of any plan to bring peace and security to the world....The 25 original signatories of the statement included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and former Minnesota Rep. Vin Weber...as the group became more active in their pronouncements, their motives became highly questionable..." http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/2003/10/iraqiinvasion.html

  7/11: FBI agent Kenneth Williams sends memo to bureau brass in Washington and New York warning that a cadre of Osama bin Laden disciples might be training at U.S. flight schools in preparation for future "terror activity against civil aviation targets." Williams suggested a nationwide FBI review to determine whether such a "coordinated effort" could be seen in other localities. The Williams memo was roundly ignored, of course, until after the World Trade Center was leveled. http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/2004/04/nobodytoldus.html

  9/11: How it was possible for four commercial airplanes to pierce the most formidable air defenses in history?...The commander of NORAD says those planes could have been stopped had there been order within the chain of command. ...W was in a grade school reading a children's book as the second plane struck the Towers...it was Cheney who gave the shoot-down order, way too late. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/18/politics/18PANE.html

  The administration switched its focus from Osama bin Laden to Saddam Hussein five months after 9/11.

  The road to war took place over three phases: Sept. 12, 2001, to December 2001; January 2002, from Bush’s State of the Union address, to April 2002; and Sept. 12, 2002, to Oct. 11, 2002, the period from Bush’s address to the United Nations to Congress’s approval of the resolution to use force in Iraq.

  The five main rationales: war on terror, prevention of the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, lack of weapons inspections, removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime, Saddam Hussein is evil.

  Other rationales: Sen. Joe Lieberman’s “because Saddam Hussein hates us,” Colin Powell’s “because it’s a violation of international law,” and Richard Perle’s “because we can make Iraq an example and gain favor within the Middle East.” http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/2004/05/studysaysbush.html

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  Zaphod at 02:30 PM JST - 1st June

  Suddenly, McLellan is god. For the same people who thought he lies through his teeth. Amazing how things can change.

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  Madverts at 01:12 AM JST - 2nd June

  "Suddenly, McLellan is god. For the same people who thought he lies through his teeth. Amazing how things can change."

  I haven't rea anyone saying that. For those that knew what Bush Co were about from the start, it's simply another confirmation....it's not simply shock and damning allegations coming soley from a former regime member.

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  zurcronium at 11:28 PM JST - 3rd June

  there is no real news here, the smart people knew all this about bush and his phony invasion and the so called liberal press, doesnt exist, that gave bush cover to commit warcrimes of the worst sort.

  Its just that one of the bush co-conspirators is coming clean and telling the truth about the corrupt and totally incompetent bush administration. Heck of job Scotty.

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  1reality at 04:46 AM JST - 4th June

  Its a shame that most Americans still dont understand that this is all a game. Bush Jr., Sr, Cheney, and the rest of them are all pawns...people actually think these men are decision makers. They are rich executive puppet-slaves for the new world order. Their orders come from the Rockefellers, Bilderberg group, CFR and the like. Whats the golden rule?? "Whoever has the gold makes the rules"..or in this case, whoever owns the federal reserve... In terms of the trumped up reasons for war, everyone knows it was about the oil. 911 being blamed on terrorists(as a basis for war) is the equivalent of the Reichstag fires being blamed on communists in Germany....Oil in Iraq, heroin in Afganastan, cocaine in South America..hell, Al Queda is just another CIA front in my opinion. America is all about money and control. And it doesnt matter who or how many are killed for that to be gained. After the plan is devised to get what they want, then they create some deceptive propaganda, put a patriotic spin on it that shows the "good Americans" defending the helpless, and "ridding the world of evil"(when in fact the opposite is true), and feed it to the people who watch the news and digest the mis-information into their consciousnesses..Never fully understanding that it is pure entertainment...public policy fodder! The rules dont apply to those who serve the rulers**. One lie has to be covered with another, and another, and so on...To paraphrase Hitler.."The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it". Bush Sr. gave a speech about the new world order and what it would mean to the country on Sept. 11, 1991..exactly 10 years to the day of that horrible tragedy. Maybe it was just a chronilogical coincidence..maybe George Orwell wasnt so far off the mark afterall...McLellan`s story is just another piece of evidence, of a much deeper truth.* *****The facts defend themselves.

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