Gay couples rush to wed in California before vote

Tuesday 14th October, 06:01 AM JST

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Madverts at 07:12 PM JST - 14th October

Why the hell do gay marriage naysayers always bring up polygamy when discussing this subject?

Talk about lack of an argument...
BlackFlag at 10:19 PM JST - 14th October

It's an institution that defines American culture and values, just like other cultures in the world.

what? no, its a recognised legal status that should be allowed to all regardless of their religious beliefs. keep the bible out of marriage and culture and everyone will get along just fine.
Helter_Skelter at 02:16 AM JST - 15th October

I have no idea how you link homosexual marriage to polygamy

If you believe not allowing gays to marry is a violation of their civil rights, explain to me why not allowing a polygamist to marry two women wouldn't be a violation of his civil rights as well?
sdmsec at 02:40 AM JST - 15th October

Why the hell do gay marriage naysayers always bring up polygamy when discussing this subject?

I have no idea how you link homosexual marriage to polygamy and child abuse.

Are you just playing dumb are do you really have no idea?

OK I'll give you an idea. You're desire to change the definition and role of marriage in American society indicates that you feel that definition and role are arbitrary. If the definition and role are arbitrary then why should you attempt to limit the definition and role of marriage even as you seek to change it? You are inconsistent in your logic.

The naysayers bring up other non-traditional (to the U.S.) definitions of marriage to point out that by breaking with the current definition you make all others equally acceptable.

Now, why do I care? Because marriage isn't just an abstract concept or ideal, but has societal, legal, and financial consequences - all of which can affect me and my family.
BlackFlag at 09:23 AM JST - 15th October

Now, why do I care? Because marriage isn't just an abstract concept or ideal, but has societal, legal, and financial consequences - all of which can affect me and my family.

I would love to hear how gay marriage will affect you and your family, especially financially
cleo at 09:40 AM JST - 15th October

how gay marriage will affect you and your family, especially financially

If a whole new bunch of people who were previously paying income tax at the single person rate are made eligible for tax concessions in the form of spouse allowances etc., overall tax revenue goes down. That means either society has a smaller pie to share out, or those paying taxes pay more to maintain the status quo.

I would have no objection to the spouse allowance being done away with for childless families (If there are no children, there's no reason both partners can't work and pay taxes, whatever the gender balance).

Either way, these things do affect other members of society, so that the 'It doesn't affect you so if you have anything to say you're a bigot' argument is spurious.
BlackFlag at 12:46 AM JST - 16th October

so all wives should work and pay full tax? their lifestyle affects me too?
cleo at 01:46 AM JST - 16th October

so all wives should work and pay full tax?

No. But there's no need for people who have no kids and earn enough to be able to allow their spouse to stay at home keeping their slippers warm, to get a tax allowance for having a live-in maid. If an able-bodied adult chooses not to work, you and I shouldn't be expected to take up their slack.

And yes it does affect you, because the more unnecessary tax allowances being doled out to people who don't warrant them, the more the taxman will need to take from you to make up the difference.
GeorgeRoper at 01:52 AM JST - 16th October

cleo- I am a traditionalist. My wife Mildred satys at home, and has my dinner ready at 6PM sharp for me, after i have finsihed my traffic warden duties.

We should all have tax advantages when me marry, because marriage is the best way society flourishes.

Mildred is happy enough staying at home. She does her chores, cooks, and has plent of time to join commities or have chats with Mrs Fourmille. Us working class need all the breaks we should get. We shouldn't boys and girls who bat for the other side also get tax breaks if the are commited to each other, and don't do abd things? Strewth life is hard enough without taking things away from decent married couples.
HaroldSteptoe at 02:01 AM JST - 16th October

As a batchelor, not a confirmed one of course, i weigh up the pros and cons in a relationship. Gawd, tax breaks for people who are commited to staying together sounds greta to me. Does it matter if the gay section of our society wishes to marry? I m very liberated, and beleiev we should all be treated equally. My father is the opposite shouting "poofta" and the like when camp person are on the televison for an evening. The old fashioned views held be elderly person such as my father will be outdated soon. We can all be assured that thr governments of the world will recognise all type of marrige.

Oh yes, i think my vision of the future seems rosey and very nice i'm sure.
MikeBarrymore at 02:07 AM JST - 16th October

GeorgeRoper- Oooh you are a card aren't you? I don't expect the government to give me tax breaks if i married my partner. But anything thing that encourages people to sty togther sounds awight to me.

Let us let gay and staright marry with teh blessing of all nations. the world would be a more tolernt and lovely place.
cleo at 08:53 AM JST - 16th October

GeorgeRoper -

There's nothing wrong with being a traditionalist, nothing wrong with Mildred having your dinner on the table when you get home from work. I'm sure you appreciate it, and her.

But why should people (like you) who already have the advantage of having your wife at home warming your slippers, be given even more advantages in the form of tax concessions? Why should people who can't afford to have their wives at home and who come home to cold slippers and no dinner ready have to pay more tax than you?

On the other hand, I would have no objection to Mrs Roper being eligible for tax relief in some form if she were at home looking after the little Stringlets.

We should all have tax advantages when me(we) marry

Regardless of whether one or both partners are earning? I could go with that.
Madverts at 09:01 PM JST - 16th October

So nobody can justify their links of polygamy to gay marriage.

Heh, didn't think so. Welcome to extinction people....
Helter_Skelter at 03:37 AM JST - 17th October

"If you believe not allowing gays to marry is a violation of their civil rights, explain to me why not allowing a polygamist to marry two women wouldn't be a violation of his civil rights as well?"

Of course, nobody answered my question because you can't be for gay marriage and then not allow polygamist marriage. If you believe it's the "civil rights" of gays to marry, then it's the civil rights of polygamists to marry as well. That's the link between the two. You can't be for one and not the other, though libs have never been shy when it comes to hypocrisy.
AlfGarnett at 03:44 AM JST - 17th October

Gay marriages, pplygomy, what you lot on about?

The good lord made man and women differnet, so they could populate the earth and remain faithfull.

You don't get two fellas making babies do you, it aint natural, ban it like the old days.

Already they've stolen the words queer and gay from the language. If you say these days "i've come over all queer" when you feel ill, people would look at you with disguts. Too bleeding rigt too. haha.