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SuperLib
Just utterly useless, mindless, and counterproductive.
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Madverts
Isn't it just.
Every time the militants pull off something like this Gaza suffers more. You don't need to be a homemade rocket scientist to realize this, do you?
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Oracle
Yes. And every time there is a momentary peace, Israel makes new settlements.
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SuperLib
By renouncing violence and disarming the Paletinians could give the international community enough justification to make the Israelis do just about anything they want by locking them out of the international community. But with each attack it undermines the West's ability and interest in making Israel change anything. The West will never reward terrorism so while that is the only avenue the militants take they guarantee that nothing will ever change.
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WilliB
Oracle:
Israel actually vacated all Israel settlements in Gaza... all of them, totally. in the vain hope hope to get peace on that front. All traces of Jewish presence in Gaza (some of which going back 3000 years, were erased. Gaza today is Jew-free. The only Jew in Gaza (Gilat Shilat) is not there by his own will.
Now, instead of peace, they got Hamas and constant rocket attacks across the border.
And you phantasize about "new settlements"???? Talk about having things upside down
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WilliB
Madverts:
Wish it were so. But there is no real punishment for Hamas for their ter rorism. There are some plnprlck Israeli responses, immediately followed by a shatstorm of of Arab fake indignation and Western condemnation. Meanwhile, Hamas gets supplied unhindered with legal goods (via Israel) and with illegal weapons (from Sinai tunnels). And the West continues to give money to Hamas. Suffer?? Give us a break.
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Oracle
Interest? Okay. Ability? Mumbo jumbo.
Yeah. Like when Ronald Reagan supported South African apartheid. Or when the U.S. supported the Shah, Saddam Hussein, Pinochet and Noriega. Right.
Yeah. The west is going to stand up and take care of everything, everything, if only the Palestinians would renounce violence. Sure. Just like the west ended apartheid in South Africa, like it is just about to take care of the Kims in North Korea, like its sanctions got Saddam ousted, like it was the west that got Aung San Suu Kyi out of house arrest, and like they are protecting all the people uprising against oppression in the Arab Spring. Right.
There is no need for the Palestinians to do anything, but lay down their arms, we will take care of the rest.
Sorry, but you forgot to say "These are not the droids you are looking for....move along" first, so the Jedi mind trick ain't working.
God helps those that helps themselves, and so does the west if they help at all. If the Palestinians don't fight, they will be forgotten, much like the Kurds under Saddam. Like them, they could get gassed and there would be words, then forgotten again. And the Palestininians could wait decades for Israel to make a blunder big enough to finally get the west to act, because that is always what it takes; the oppressor making a blunder. But the Palestinians think they are better off instigating the blunder rather than sitting on their hands waiting to die, hoping the blunder comes in their lifetimes.
NATO is certainly not helping the Libyan rebels because they sat there and took it. All those years and the west did what? Now they fight and the west assists. The big difference is that we were pretty much always against Gaddafi. He had no fans in the west like you are a fan of Israel.
The Palestinians know well that they are on their own and always will be, until, somehow, the Israelis make a blunder. Somehow, that blunder was not the sinking of the USS Liberty, and that just goes to show how big a blunder it will take before the west is really going to stick it to Israel.
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Oracle
I did not say they were in Gaza.
Divide and conquer then? Gazans pay attention to what happens in West Bank you know. They share a fate. But hey, that is one for Superlib. West Bank is more peaceful so they get...Israeli settlements!
As ever, you totally forgot about the Jews flying military aircraft OVER Gaza, and the ones on military sea vessels in Gaza's WATERS.
Its almost like you guys are getting paid to ignore parts fo the big picture, you know?
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Asagao
Hamas does not get supplied with goods unhindered. And just how are weapons illegal? Gaza is the worlds biggest concentration camp with the largest effort of collective punishment dished out by it's oppressors. These oppressors receive up to US$4 billion a year in military aid from the united states while Americans are homeless and in need of healthcare. The oppressors are also human rights abusers with numerous UN resolutions against them. They constantly bomb Gaza, and not only did they destroy the only sanitation plant in Gaza, they also stopped gazans from getting parts to repair it. The situation in Gaza is dire for the elderly and the malnourished children. When unarmed peace activists tried to deliver aid, they were hijacked and some murdered in international waters. This year peace boats were sabotaged. Now again the bullies are killing.
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Oracle
Facts some people just don't want to hear.
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just-a-guy
the egyptian army has lost control their borders or maybe they lost their will to control the militants after the fall of Murbarak! Can you hear the slogans the egyptian is chanting?
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SuperLib
Ok then. Keep fighting. So far that's produced an illiterate, militant society living in their own filth who aren't any closer to statehood or peace than they were when this all started. But hey, have it your way.
And do you support their plan of terrorism? Sorry, I meant to say, "Do you support their plan of instigating a blunder?"
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Oracle
So your position is that the condition of the Palestinians is totally their own doing?? Because, man, that is really what it sounds like. Would you have said the same for the Jews living in the Warsaw Ghetto?
I am just observing the situation and making judgements based on historical comparisions and reason. Neither side does things "my way".
No. I think all of their choices suck. My focus is the entity providing the choices, the entity that is the source of the things preventing a satisfactory solution. When Israel gets off from the chest of the Palestinians, I know full well it won't be instant peace. But there will never be peace or an end to the conflict until Israel gets off Palestines chest. There simply is no getting around that. No amount of hemming and hawing is going to change it. Everything is beside the point. Until the stage is set for a solution, there won't be one. Its not possible. Half setting the stage won't do it. The stage must be set in full, or this situation will continue. Is it not obvious?
Frankly, both sides are employing terror. I support neither. But Palestinian terror has had effects even I do not like to admit. But if I did not admit them, I would not be admitting reality.
That's not what I heard. I heard the State of Palestine was declared in 1988 and that the U.S. recognized it in 1997.
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BreitbartVictorious
oracle
No comparison. The Jews forced into the ghetto in Warsaw were civilized.
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Oracle
BreitbartVictoriousAug. 22, 2011 - 10:54AM JST
Well, that had nothing to do with my point, did it? Must you attempt to subvert everything?
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SuperLib
Garbage. The position of the militants is an end to Israel. Period. It's the same war that's been going on since Israel was created. Those who have accepted Israel's light to exist have made peace agreements and have gotten on with their lives. Those who have chosen the path of never-ending war live in the own filth that they've created. I do think there are decent Palestinians. And I think they are being held hostage by the militants who are also attacking Israel. Everyone is just collateral damage to the militants.
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lucabrasi
You reckon??
You're on a slippery slope there Super Lib; you'll be telling us it's wrong to use white phosporous against their kids next. And then you'll be saying their heavily pregnant women in desperate need of medical attention should be allowed through Israeli military checkpoints, rather than being left to bleed to death at the side of the road.
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Oracle
Period? Part of your problem is you insistence on being so hard-headed you know.
Changes nothing of what I said. So long as Israel continues to sabotage Palestinian statehood, Palestinians will get the idea to sabotage Israeli statehood. Its to be expected. Its obvious. Its natural. You can only hold this against Palistinians if they get their own free state, free of Israelli meddling and still seek to overthrow Israel though force, terror or subversion, and only for reasons of hegemony (not if Israel were to suffer a coup de tat for example).
You seem to think the militant position is inflexible and unchanging, despite the fact that both Fatah and Hamas have made concessions on that point. Or perhaps you expect a complete flip-flop overnight while Israel continues to sit on the Palestinians chest? Or maybe you know perfectly well such a flip-flop cannot happen under these conditions and are just being deceiptful?
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BreitbartVictorious
Rockets are the thanks Israel gets for returning Gaza? Hamas wages war on Israel on behalf of its master, Iran.
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Madverts
Oracle, the militants position IS un-flexible and un-changing. The destruction of the state of Israel their perpetual and stated goal.
Superlib is right. Non-violent protest is the way to shame Israel. But that would take time and more importantly humanity.
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lucabrasi
The Israelis have no shame. They've shown that time and time again.
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Madverts
Ubrasci,
Yeah, indiscrminate murder of Israeli citizens by Palestinian terrorists is honouable.
My bad.
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lucabrasi
@Madverts
How do you get from "The Israelis have no shame." to that? Where did I say that murder is honourable?
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