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OssanULTRA
Good idea. And I'd also like to see the Little Red Book republished as well.
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Zaphod
Mein Kampf is a best-seller in the islamic world, and widely available online on islamic sites. So I really don`t know what he wants.
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sabiwabi
Without the "commentary", people would see that Hitler's book is not as bad as they make it out to be.
German historians want Mein Kampf "to be republished in the country before the copyright lapses in 2015."
Or maybe they just want to make a quick buck, while they still can. If they do republish it, I hope they also through in the protocols of the elders of zion. Maybe even sell it as a combo.
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frontandcentre
Zaphod, Hitler's boring meisterwerk might appeal to fascists in any part of the world, but it would be interesting to see your sales figures for the Arabic version of Mein Kampf, because I have a feeling that you are simply making that up...
I am totally in favour of such rubbish being published, simply so that people can remind themselves of the consequences that misdirected hatred directed against one religion or group of people can lead to.
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skipthesong
why would this book be such a best seller in the Muslim world? It is still on Turkey's best seller list which I find just crazy..
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Helter_Skelter
It's getting harder and harder to distinguish between the neo-Nazis and the Islamists.
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skipthesong
Helter_Skelter : I wonder is the fact that Islam is now going to become Germany's top religion has anything to do with this.
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sabiwabi
But its very easy to spot someone who has never read Mein Kampf!
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skipthesong
I am totally in favour of such rubbish being published, simply so that people can remind themselves of the consequences that misdirected hatred directed against one religion or group of people can lead to." Perhaps, but wouldn't you be worried that a great many people may take it in the other direction? If we allow information to be completely free, which I don't want to dispute, what happens with other cases such as bomb making, groups that use brain washing, nasty how to's, and advocacy groups such as NAMBLA
This can be as bad as allowing "Birth of a Nation" to be played.
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Helter_Skelter
I have read it. You shouldn't assume everyone who reads it is a Jew-hater like yourself. But thanks for continuing to prove my point about Nazis and Islamists.
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grsmaz
If someone hates a religion here it must be Helter Skelter. He has managed to write the word Islamist in every post of this thread. It is off topic for a start.
Hitler is the co founder of Israel so I doubt Islamist are neo nazis as some like to believe they are besides, this is a book by Hitler and Jews and not Islam. Hitler was a Christian. Does this mean that Christians are neo nazis?
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Helter_Skelter
Nothng could be more on topic than talking about Mein Kampf and Islam. And I'm hardly the only one bringing it up on this thread. Take a history lesson and get back to me. You can start with the Muslim Waffen SS.
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grsmaz
Why do not you give us a history lesson instead.
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skipthesong
Helter is correct, there were divisions and units in the Nazi army, some were serbs, croats, and there were from inner Soviet Russia. It is on topic, the article even states "The book has sold well in translation in the Arab world and in Turkey, where it became a surprise best-seller in 2005." forcing him to take that out is wrong and I find it to be an attempt to hide truths.
At least Sabi is standing up.
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grsmaz
If you are going to start pointing fingers then let us be more neutral and less biased. Helter who is an avid supporter of Israel is not really morally fit to lecture Muslims about Nazism.
Zionism cooperated and collaborated with Nazism, not necessarily to save Jews, as the paragons of lies would claim, but rather to fulfil Zionism and Zionist statehood. Zionists consented the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Jews who could have been saved and sent to other parts of the world, especially North America.
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skipthesong
grsmaz : you have got to be kidding me. "let us be more neutral and less biased" and then you write you second paragraph.. and because he supports Israel's right to exist he is not morally fit?
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grsmaz
I am not kidding. Helter Skelter says there is no difference between Nazis and Muslims therefore I say if you are going to point fingers be less biased and more neutral. Zionists collaborated with Nazis too. They sent their own people in agreement with the Nazis to concentration camps. Other people known to have collaborated with Hitler was Bush's grand dad Prescot Bush.
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sabiwabi
Zionists collaborating with the Nazis is well known, and it shouldn't be a surprise, as they both had similar aims. They both wanted the Jews out of Germany. But the Zionists were not interested in the Jews who did not want to go to Palestine. They thought it would be better if these Jews were placed in concentration camps in order to frighten Jews worldwide into fleeing to Palestine, which they touted as the only place they could be safe.
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sabiwabi
One example of the collaboration between the Nazis and Zionists is the Haavara agreement, which permitted the transfer of Jews and all their capital from Germany to Palestine. With this agreement about 60,000 German Jews moved to Palestine by 1939, taking with them $40 million dollars of assets (about $600 million today) with the blessing of the Nazi regime.
As for a connection of Hitler (or Mein Kampf) and the Muslims, I don't see it.
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redacted
"As for a connection of Hitler (or Mein Kampf) and the Muslims, I don't see it."
You don't look for it.
Hitler had great admiration for Mohammed and Arab Mohammedans.
Judging from the popularity Mein Kampf enjoys to this day in the Muslim world it's safe to say the respect was/is mutual.
His Jew hatred is beyond doubt.
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grsmaz
Zionism—the political movement that created Israel—was born of 19th-century nationalism, and it defined Jews as an ethnic group, a nationality like Korean,Italian. The same with Nazis. Nazis also labeled Jews as an ethnic group while Muslims and westerners of today do not label Jews as an ethnic group. A Jewish person is one who practice the religion of Judaism. A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus Christ and so on.
Both Nazis and Zionists had the same goal. To rid Germany from Jews. However it was Jews who declared war on Germany first and not the other way around as some people like to believe.
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sabiwabi
Redacted, can you quote something from Mein Kampf to support these statements?
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grsmaz
Some quotes by Zionist leaders in Germany BEFORE Hitler came to power in Germany.
We Jews are aliens… a foreign people in your midst and we… wish to stay that way. A Jew can never be a loyal German; whoever calls the foreign land his Fatherland is a traitor to the Jewish people.
Jacob Klatzkin, the second of two political Zionist ideologists in Germany at the time, where the Jews of Germany were enjoying full political and civil rights.
Germany… has too many Jews.
Chaim Weizman, later to become the first President of the State of Israel. This address was published in 1920, and, thus, four years before Hitler had even written Mein Kampf.
Some people's Islamophobic tendencies is beyond any doubt. You ave openly said you dislike Muslims. Hating a person due to religion is also what Hitler used to do. So I find it ironic when some people compare Islam to Nazism.
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grsmaz
The quotes was taken from
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm
A Jewish web site.
Moderator: All readers back on topic please. The subject is whether Germany should republish "Mein Kampf." Posts that do not refer to this from here on will be removed.
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grsmaz
Muslims were not the offenders in the Holocaust unlike Jews and Christians and besides your post is not very relevant to if Germany should republish Hitler's book or not skip. Republishing this book would probably be welcomed by Zionists who can keep exploiting the Holocaust Industry the way they have since WW2.
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jeancolmar
The Germans ought to republish Mein Kampf and give lectures and seminars on it. Read in the context of what Hitler did it is a very scary book. What is so scary about it is that Hitler comes off as a perfectly normal right-wing bigot. Even taking into account that much of Mein Kampf was ghost-written, the mental atmosphere of normality that pervades that book is creepy. You wait for the bogie man to come out of the closet and there is no bogie man. Just rotten ideology that twisted around any neocon today come follow. (Just change "Jews" to "Muslims".) It's is comforting to think that Nazism and the Holocaust were the products of "man men." If you realize that the greatest evil of our times were created by basically rational people you are forced to realize that it can happen anywhere.
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skipthesong
Mod: any reason why you are clearly being biased in taking down posts that are basically refutes to several which are still staying up and additionally, our posts were not off topic. I clearly asked a question to two of this boards most Anti-Jewish posters and did so in a very civil manner.
Can you please stop being so biased? Moderator: You are trying to turn the thread into a Muslim-Jewish squabble. A moderator asked all readers earlier to get back on topic. You must focus your comments on the story, which is about Germany's decision on whether or not to permit "Mein Kampf" to be republished. And do not ever accuse the moderators of being biased.
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grsmaz
The Holocaust narrative has been elevated to the status of a religion. The evil forces have not died together with the fall of Nazism in Europe.
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redacted
Germany should make the book available.
On this point I agree with Ms Colmar,whose native France recently held a very controversial and unsettling photo exhibition which completely destroyed the widespread, self-serving and ridiculous myth that Parisians never complied with their Nazi overlords or in tortured conscience chafed under their rule.
However, the notion that Hitler was right wing is the real reason the book should be made available.
He was a socialist, basically a Marxist. He admitted as much. It is the biggest lie of the Left and the defeated, discredited "progressive" crowd that Hitler was of the right.
It is being exploded in America ( Jonah Goldberg's best-selling Liberal Fascism ) and it is time Europe faces the historical facts:
"Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist."
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780385511841
Link for the Paris under the Nazis photo exhibition -
http://www.paris.fr/portail/Culture/Portal.lut?pageid=145&documenttypeid=2&documentid =50952&portlet_id=11706
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skipthesong
This book was the Catalyst for the greatest crime against humanity in modern times. The push behind this while at the same time discrediting anything about Holocaust does make one anti-Jewish. And again, I find it very much a coincidence with Germany having one of the largest Muslim populations in the EU, a Pope from Germany, and a new movement denying the Holocaust either existed or never happened.
You either put all out on the table or none.
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jeancolmar
Hitler was not a Marxist or a socialist. He was a ardent anti-Communist. Left-wingers and liberals found their ways to gas chambers. Hitler initially infiltrated the tiny German Socialist Workers Party and coopted it. HItler and the Nazis were real magpies, stealing from everyone, including the socialist movement. The swastika was an ancient symbol used by people as diverse as Indians and Native Americans. The Nazis used and twisted old German proverbs. They distorted Nietzsche. Hitler was brought up a Catholic and never left the faith. There were pagan Nazis and and Christian Nazis. Hitler remained a Christian. The churches followed Hitler, though there were dissenters (who were murdered). Above all, Hitler was a German nationalist, though he was not German. Jonah Goldberg is a liar--no doubt some sort of neocon.
I think everyone should read not only Mein Kampf but also Goebbels's speeches (for starters). You see how close the Nazis are to the people who govern us. What made the Nazis the monsters that they were will haunt anyone who digs into this stuff. It is not as easily deconstructed as the rubbish from the Holocaust deniers.
The Germans historians' desire to republish Mein Kampf has nothing Muslims. It has to do with the openness about the Holocaust. The Japanese should be so open about their Asian Holocaust.
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Nessie
They should republish it as a box set with Chaplin's "Great Dictator".
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Zaphod
Jeancolmar:
Sorry, you can not separate the two. "Mein Kampf" is a bestseller in the islamic world, and the growing holocaust-denial and antisemism in Germany is a muslim phenomenon. It is getting increasingly difficult to teach the Holocaust in schools, because muslim pupils complain. The same thing is happening in other European countries, but in Germany this imported new antisemism is particularly iffy because of German history.
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grsmaz
Chaplin's "Great Dictator" is very good. Here a clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6USxsPxzQEs
The film is still highly relevant with all this talk about spreading freedom and terrorists and such as.
Holocaust has been talked enough times already. Especially by Israel. They should start to come to terms with their own Holocaust not as victims but as the offenders and stop exploiting the Holocaust Industry.
The word Nazi comes from the word Ashkenazi. Ashkenazis are Jewish originally from Eastern Europe in today's Gerogia. Thats where the word Nazi comes from. It's a Jewish name. Thats the irony.
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redacted
It's so easy refuting Jean Colmar and grsmaz, it's embarrassing:
NAZI stands for "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei".
Everybody knows this.
You may as well deny that Mein Kampf was ever written or that the Holocaust ever occurred.
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usaexpat
It should be republished as the book is nothing to fear really. Redacted: you are correct Fascism and Nazism are socialist political movements. That said anything by Jonah Goldberg is better suited to being used when you run out of toilet paper. He is a weasley biased little twat.
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SuperLib
I support the ban. Maybe not in my own country, but for Germany it's probably a good idea. The European wars created tens of millions of deaths and also created the problems that exist today in the Middle East. If they don't think they can handle publishing the book in their society then I'll go ahead and take their word on it. Some people simply cannot be trusted and the world still has the scars to prove it.
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Madverts
redacter,
"Hitler had great admiration for Mohammed and Arab Mohammedans."
No he didn´t. I´ve seen the likes of you and skelter try and push this rubbish, notably without success again, before. Puh-leaze, a link to the Egyptian Brotherhoods letter of support to Hitler simply will not do.
The Jews simply had the mis-fortune of being higher up his "list" than the arabs. Had hitler had his way, "mohammedians" (what a dumbass term BTW) would have had the right to a shower in Auschwitz, too.
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grsmaz
What is more irritating than someone attacking the person rather than the argument is an American giving out language lessons in German. redacter, fluent German speaker. Are you sure Nazi stands for that?
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sabiwabi
jeancolmar,
I agree that there is nothing Muslim about it, but I disagree that it has anything to do with openness about the Holocaust. Europe in general, and Germany in particular, is completely closed when it comes to discussing the Holocaust. The moment Germany does open up to the Holocaust, the story will crumble.
If the lectures and seminars are as biased and distorted as those of the Holocaust, no thanks.
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Helter_Skelter
TO MOD: With all respect, the article makes the statement, "The book has sold well in translation in the Arab world and in Turkey, where it became a surprise best-seller in 2005." So bringing Islam into this discussion about Nazism and Mein Kampf is completely on topic. Even the writers of the article recognize the connection between Mein Kampf and the Muslim Arab world. The long history of collaboration between these two groups is a matter of record and couldn't be more relevent. Thank you.
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Zaphod
Madverts:
Yes, he did. Hitlers fondness for Islam is on historical record, as are the muslim regiments who fought for him. Your not liking that fact does not change that.
The re-publishing of Mein Kampf in Germany goes in line with the growing islamization of the country.
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curlygene
grsmaz,
Actually, Hitler just called himself a christian. Big, big difference, buddy.
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jeancolmar
Yes, indeed everyone knows what the acronym Nazi stands for. This was Hitler's way of getting the working class on his side. Socialism was popular in those days in Germany. So Hitler said, Oh we are socialists too, but national socialists. It was one example of the big lie. If you want to take National Socialist Workers Party at face then you might as well take Democratic People's Republics which are in fact dictatorships at face value.
Whatever the Muslims in Germany are doing, I've yet to see proof that this is why German scholars want to republish Mein Kampf. (I think this is a case of the ergo hoc, ergo proctor hoc fallacy.)
And Germany is open about the Holocaust. They are nasty to Holocaust deniers. But they are open about what happened.
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WhiteHawk
jeancolmar, I've heard that excuse for Hitler before. It was a lie the first time I heard it, and it's still a lie. Hitler didn't ride on socialism's popularity for political expediency, he was socialist to his core. The speech that first attracted Hitler to fascism was titled "How and by What Means is Capitalism to be Eliminated?"
The Nazi-party platform demanded guaranteed jobs, the "abolition of incomes unearned by work", the nationalization of all large corporations and trusts, profit-sharing in all major industries (the government sharing in the profits, not the employees), and a government takeover of big department stores.
The Nazis also sought to purge the Church and tradition from society and replace them with the supremecy of the state and the dictatorial standards of political correctness. The Nazi party grew out of Germany's first environmentalist movement. In fact, the German Green Party still use Nazi philosopher (and raving anti-Semite) Ludwig Klages's "Man and Earth" as their core manifesto.
Trying to separate Hitler from socialism is like trying to separate him from anti-Semitism. Didn't know you were such a big fan of his, Jean Colmar.
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grsmaz
Americans have misunderstood socialism.
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WhiteHawk
I've been told that Stalin was misunderstood too.
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grsmaz
By who?
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WhiteHawk
Can't remember the poster as it's been a few years, but it was someone here on JT.
As well as a host of college-lifers who tried to convince me that "communism could work if the right people were in charge".
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grsmaz
Had Hitler been a communist instead of socialist then I am sure he would have had even more success.
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WhiteHawk
I, for one, am glad we didn't find out.
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DanManjt
Well, the internet ain't so easily regulated. So its really rather moot.
http://www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/gerbon.htm
And BTW. the Nazid were socialists in the same way that the LDP is liiberal and democratic.
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WhiteHawk
Prescott Bush was never sentenced for anything. Ever. UBC's assets were held by the U.S. government for the duration of the war and then returned after it was over.
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WhiteHawk
Also, the only connection UBC had to the Nazi Party (Thyssen) fled Germany prior to the invasion of Poland and was an outspoken critic of the Nazi Party and Hitler.
Intersting little world you've got inside that head of yours.
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sabiwabi
They do talk about it (too much, in fact), but only one view is possible. Any slight deviation from that view is rewarded with a prison sentence. Sorry, but that is not open. If lectures on Mein Kampf are equally "open", only one interpretation will be allowed. You can't possibly come up with a correct interpretation of a book, or an historical event, if only one view can be expressed.
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redacted
They should re-issue the book. It is one that defines Germany and Europe. They appeased the author when he came to power and refused to acknowledge or consider what he had spelled out in Mein Kampf.
"Appeasement is Europe's family name."
The book played a major part in the death of 6 million of the Continent's finest citizens - and yes, Germany had plenty of help from her neighbors.
Incredibly, not even two generations later many of these countries, having perhaps lost their souls so to speak, opened their borders to immigrants bringing with them the ideology that drove the most implacable foe in Europe's long history.
Many of these immigrants are from countries where, not ironically, Mein Kampf is a perennial best-seller.
But "speech codes" prevent anyone in the new post-modernist collection of European pseudo-states from discussing the matter.
The immigrants seem keenly aware that "post-Christian" Europe is committing auto-genocide, and that even it had the bodies it lacks the moral fiber or even the will to defend itself.
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jeancolmar
Hitler's agenda was conservative. Do read the Nazis. For a "socialist" Hitler had good from Germany's capitalists. The Social Democrats, labor leaders, and, of course, Communists had it bad in Nazi Germany. Besides the Jews, Hitler also did in handicapped people (so-called useless eaters), homosexuals, Gypsies, Slavs and others.
Big business thrived under the Nazis. Foreign companies also loved the Nazis. Henry Ford was a long time fan of Hitler and the feeling was mutual. Ford cheerly set up factories in Germany. Hitler gave Ford medals which he never bothered to return the medals after the US went to war against Germany. Ford plants were not bombed in Germany during World War II.
Yes, indeed, Germany bans Holocaust denial. But the Germans are open about what happened. If you want to read a lot of garbage you can go to any number of Holocaust denial websites.
You know, there is a lot more I could say about all this but I am stopping here. One, this is getting off the point. Two, when a posting starts to look like free copy these days I cut it short. If JT wants me to write about Nazis in detail they can give me a byline.
Anyway, I have not seen any concrete evidence that the German scholars' desire to republish Mein Kampf is anything but scholarly interest. As I said, everybody ought to read the Nazis--with understanding the historical context of course.
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jeancolmar
I need to add that National Socialism was not an entirely unified movement. It did contain elements opposing "financial capitalism" which was claimed to be controlled by the Jews. It had its right and left wings. Hitler belonged to the right-wing. The Nazis were above all nationalists. They were also racists. They opposed both the Social Democratic Party and the Communists. When Hitler seized power he had Social Democrats and Communists imprisoned. Then he did in his party's left-wing, more famously in the Night of the Long Knives.
Another thing: Who were the Appeasers? The British and French conservatives. Also, Western capitalism welcomed the Nazi state because they saw it is a guard against Communism.
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redacted
"Who were the Appeasers? The British and French conservatives. "
Yeah, you mean like Churchill? LOL.
French Communists, at the outbreak of hostilities, advocated that munitions workers sabotage the plants they worked at. These are all well-known facts.
Yes, Hitler was to the right of Stalin, but that hardly stopped him from signing a non-aggression pact with Russia, did it?
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jeancolmar
Appeasers: Like Chamberlain and (to repeat) the French conservatives.
Um, remember that Hitler sort of broke the non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union.
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redacted
Germany should republish not only Mein Kampf but also Hitler's speeches. They would make edifying reading for all the sentimental Lefties - young and old - out there today.
"Basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same."
That, for example, is direct quote from Adolf Hitler, in a public speech given in February of 1941, carried in the Bulletin of International News (published by the Royal Institute of International Affairs) XVIII, No.5, 269 and reproduced in Hayek's classic Road to Serfdom.
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jeancolmar
Where did Hayek get that quote? And what is the context?
Hitler said a lot of things. One thing he said (I paraphrase from memory) was that National Socialists and Marxism differ in that the former believes in private property and and the latter does not. True socialists, said Hitler, do not want to abolish private property. (I'll trace that quote if anyone is interested.)
Hitler said a lot of things in public and in private. But he ought to be judged by his actions. Who did Hitler put into concentration camps and murder? The German ruling class or social democrats, Communists, labor leaders?
Did he form an alliance with Stalin and invade Fascist Italy?
Labeling Hitler a leftist is one of the neocons big lies. (Another neocon lies is that George Orwell, a dedicated socialist, was reallly a neocon at heart.)
Neocon lies started the useless war against Iraq. Neocons and Nazis have much in common as liars.
National Socialism and real socialism--as it evolved in late 19th and 20th centuries--are diametric opposites. National Socialism is nationalistic, racist and authoritarian. Socialism is international and inclusive. I would add that real socialism--as opposed to Stalinism--is democratic, in that it wants workplace democracy.
To get back to the topic, all this goes to show why Mein Kampf and other Nazi writings ought to be made public. People really ought to know what the Nazis were about and what the Holocaust was about--it was even worse than what most people think it was.
The Nazis have been too easily demonized--to the point that just how evil they were is forgotten. Hannah Arendt spoke of the banality of evil with regard to Eichmann, the arch bureaucrat who claimed innocence because he was only following orders. But there is more to these people. Hurt nationalistic pride. Wild romanticism and utopianism. And they were foreshadowed by movements in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Once you see these people in their true light you will never be at ease with nationalistic passions. Let me underscore this: The Stalinist state was (and is) socialism gone wrong. The Nazis got exactly what they wanted, except a Reich that would exist for a thousand years.
It is easy to acknowledge evil, but it is difficult to look evil in the face. The time has come to look evil in the face.
One thing more. Profits from the sale of Mein Kampf ought to go into supporting Holocaust education.
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DanManjt
Redacted,
On economics, (which Hitler viewed as secondarily important) Hitler was all over the place
"Basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same." "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system" -- Speech on May 1, 1927. Cited in Toland, J. (1976) Adolf Hitler Garden City, N.Y. : Doubleday Speech. May 1, 1927. p. 224
Yet, Hitler was clear to point out that his interpretation of socialism "has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism," saying that "Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not." -- Francis Ludwig Carsten, The Rise of Fascism, University of California Press, 1982, p. 137. Hitler quote from Sunday Express.
And
"Socialism! That is an unfortunate word altogether... What does socialism really mean? If people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism." -- Henry A. Turner, "German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler", Oxford University Press, 1985. pg 77
"I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative". -- private statement made by Hitler on March 24, 1942. Cited in "Hitler's Secret Conversations." Translated by Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens. Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. 1953. p. 294
On yet another occasion he qualified that statement by saying that the government should have the power to regulate the use of private property for the good of the nation. --Richard Allen Epstein, Principles for a Free Society: Reconciling Individual Liberty With the Common Good, De Capo Press 2002, p. 168
As for neo-Liberal equating of any state intervention into the economy as "socialism," I would like to hear your explanation of Japan's and South Korean's economies.
Finally, as for the Libertarian notion that any infringment upon individual Liberty by the colletictivist ethic inevitably leads to serfdom, I'd like to hear your thought on nations like Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
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jeancolmar
Thank you Dan Manjt. Note that the that the first quote is from 1927, when Hitler was fighting for power. The Socialists were a strong and popular power. The reality is that Hitler was not an enemy of capitalism after all. Certainly not in relation to his own finances. Hitler was rich. He made money from Mein Kampf. His hero was Henry Ford, whose anti-semitic writings in the Dearborn Independent inspired him.
It is true that the Nazis were environmentally conscious. But to make the leap of logic that that made them socialists or leftists and that environmentalists are somehow connected to the Nazis is rubbish. The Nazis also believed in sport and physical fitness. Following neocon logic that should make anyone who believes in physical fitness programs a Nazi. Hitler detested smoking (and Franco and Mussolini were also non-smokers). So does that mean that if you are a non-smoker and hate it when people blow smoke in your face while you are eating you are a Nazi? The Volkswagen was born under the Nazis. So if you own a Volkswagen and are a beetle freak are you a Nazi?
Anyway, though the Nazis did a few good things, these were mitigated by the many bad things they did. (Which mitigates any arguments that they "were not all bad"). The good things could have just as easily been done by a reasonable Social Democratic government.
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super delegate
"Following neocon logic that should make anyone who believes in physical fitness programs a Nazi. "
I'm sorry but I see a thread about Mein Kampf, Germany and Hitler.
Why the need to shoehorn "Neo-con" into the debate?
For that matter - what is a "neo-con"?
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Zaphod
There is no doubt who the most enthusiastic readers of the book will be. It falls right into the anti-semitism that is shared by the Nazis and Islam.
Moderator: Readers, Islam is not relevant to this discussion.
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flammenwerfer
I have never read it, but I decided to just today, I just downloaded a copy and will read on my PSP on the train.
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Zen_Builder
It is an eye-opening read.
Follow up with the "3rd wave" an experiment conducted in the late 60's( Movie, etc) and how the germans took it further to equal Abu Graib decades before it happened.
Scary thing is it can happen under ANY administration.
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Blue_Tiger
"The book has sold well in translation in the Arab world and in Turkey, where it became a surprise best-seller in 2005."
Let's see: The Arab world is dominated by Islam, a religion that in its very fabric is vehemently hostile to Jews, especially those living in Israel, and Mein Kampf is considered a "surprise" best-seller in the Arab world? Hmmmmm.....
As far as it being re-published in Germany in German, All I can ask is, what Good will it do? Here in Japan, anti-Chinese, Anti-Korean, We're-not-to-blame-for-the-Pacific-theatre-of-World-War-Two, There-was-no-rape-of-Nanjing literature has been printed in Japan for decades, and How are the people of Japan better off? Japanese-written history books deny blame for their part in World War II (or at least totally ignore it), deny any wrongdoing in China from the 1930s onward, deny their atrocities (and even the illegality of) in the Korean Occupation from 1895-1945, and then turn aroudn and wonder why the Chinese and Koreans are openly hostile to Japan at times in modern society, why the United States has had bases in Japan for 60+ years.
I can personally see only harm coming to the Germans if Mein Kampf is published in German there again. Hitler was a brutal, merciless, murdering despot who shuld never have been given a place in German Society at large, let alone lead her as Chancellor and later President.
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super delegate
"The book has sold well in translation in the Arab world and in Turkey, where it became a surprise best-seller in 2005."
All the more shocking in light of the fact that the Arab world (Turkey of course is not included here) has translated into their languages fewer foreign works in the last 1000 years than modern European nations like Spain do in a single year. The widespread illiteracy plays some factor in this but still it is a pretty bleak picture.
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Nessie
They keep it in the self-help section.
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cwhite
I thought they already had enough copies going around. How about they just dump a digital print on www.meinkampf.org or something.
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amerijap
There's no point in keeping printing media censorship, because the enormous amount of copies of translated work have been circulated to all over the world. Some people can even get a pirated edition written in German available online or in some foreign countries.
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