Germany says many migrants falsely claiming to be Syrian

If i would roll my eyes any harder they would roll out of my sockets. Everybody has been yelling that for the past months but if you dont listen then yea you deserve every bit of trouble from it.

Same could be true in US when Kerry opens the gate. That's all we need. People from pakistan, east / north africa etc. claiming to be syrians.

Again, where is ANY kind of help from those rich gulf nations? Even Japan, having no ME influence, has coughed up about $4 million for those syrians.

What a mess. As long as forced self immigration is permitted it will only escalate.

Of course the flip side is that 70 percent claiming to be Syrian are in fact, Syrian.

It would take a really good con to fool the authorities, and these people don't have the resources.

The sad thing is that, as said in the article, many did not need to lie to get asylum. But hey, when you are desperate, you do desperate things. I say that even though I know from experience that some people are going to claim they have a mansion and a large estate in their home countries and enjoy perfect political and social freedom there and left it all to be on welfare.

If wealthy countries don't want an inflow of refugees, they should stop selling the arms and creating the condition that cause social displacement in the first place. This is particularly true for the US and Britain, which destabilized the region with their illegal occupation of Iraq.

"If wealthy countries don't want an inflow of refugees, they should stop selling the arms"

The arms are overwhelmingly Russian and Chinese. The Ak47 has always been de-rigeur for Islamic militants and terrorists around the world. When ISIS mass executes a Yadzi village, they will be doing it with bullets of a communist heritage.

Indeed, Syria, Iraq and the Arab countries (apart from Saudi) have long been very close Soviet military clients. Aircraft, tanks, you name it, all Russian-Chinese.

But hey, blaming the US always makes a great narrative, right? Well, dont let reality get in the way.

This is particularly true for the US and Britain, which destabilized the region with their illegal occupation of Iraq.

If you're gona go there, lets not forget that It was Saddam's persecution of the kurds and illegal occupation of Kuwait. These events also destabilized the ME and questioned the credibility of Iraq's regime. How his own people executed him illustrates the point.

If wealthy countries don't want an inflow of refugees, they should stop selling the arms and creating the condition that cause social displacement in the first place.

I'm sure the CIA supplies some arms free of charge. But wealthy countries aren't forcing anybody to buy.

This is exactly what Hungary has been saying for weeks and were branded xenophobic for it. Anyone with some common sense could have figured it out a long time ago... when you dangle the greatest prize in front of millions of poor people, of course they'll do pretty much anything to get it. So now what? Many of them who won't be accepted will become bitter and resentful and may turn radical. Well done Western Europe, well done.

I think the people of Germany and chancellor Mrs Merkel has been living in 'fairly tales germany'…being too long. Everyone were like the rommance stories of the prince and princess living in a fancy castle everyday. Now they know the ugly world is not just exist in east germany as they were told.

@JeffLee

Arab countries (apart from Saudi) have long been very close Soviet military clients.

Apart from Saudi, Jordan, Egypt, Qatar, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait.

@Crazy Joe"Anyone with some common sense could have figured it out a long time ago"

Indeed. It seems that leaders of the EU have no any idea what common sense is. Perhaps they also believe that borderlines and border guards were also invented only for entertainment.

I predicted this a month ago. Weeks ago I said that inside the mass of migrants/immigrants/invasionists would be people who would infiltrate europe and maybe even be terrorists. I was branded by jt moderators as a bigot and deleted. Now look at the facts and was I wrong, no. The jt moderators are not mature enough and aware of how the world works to hold those positions inmho.

Gee, that is the surprise of the day. Other sources say that about 80% are not Syrian. There have also been reports about a thriving business of printing fake Syrian passports in ISIS territory and the neighbourhood.

But now that Angela Merkel has thrown the barn door wide open, she is stuck with all these people. Does anybody seriously think the German government will start a massive re-patriation to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Albania ect? Not in your dreams.

A giant case of "I told you so". And it is going to get worse.

So who are these people who aren't Syrian and don't speak Arabic? I would think that would be the first question to ask. The next question would be why they are seeking asylum.

Here is the the simple truth. "Migrants," who ever they are, will not simply vanish. They have to dealt with. And they have to be dealt with humanely.

For the "migrant" haters, what do you propose to do with these people? Would you people accept mowing them all down? I mean every last man, woman and child? If you if that's fine, would you volunteer to pull the trigger and bury the dead?

I would love to hear some answers from the anti-"migrants."

Kabukilover:

How about starting by enforce the laws that EU leaders including Angela Merkel actualls signed under? The Schengen agreement states that every EU entrant has to register at the country of entry, which determines his status. And yes, that means physical borders and the personnel to protect them. If many people want to come in, they have to wait to be processed. Sort of like... what Japan does? The Schengen treaty never envisioned open external borders and direct highway to the German welfare system.

If you remove the incentive of being plonked into the richest economies in Europe, and actually follow the existing laws, you´d see a massive drop of this so-called "migrant" wave very soon.

A country that does not protect its borders is not a country.

WilliB: Nice idea, I guess, but it is too late now.

I suppose you could send around someone to ask where in Europe the refugees first entered, but then what? Send them back to Greece or Italy or wherever they floated in? That is going create a bigger mess.

Look, how about dealing with reality. They are in Europe right now. What are you going to do with them? I am not interested pronouncements. I am interested in concrete ideas. Germany and France and the US and some other countries are willing to take in the refugees. You may not like this but so far it is the most intelligent and humane move.

What are your alternative ideas? Would you care to shoot them? All the men, women and children as they look you in the eye? Or would like put them on rubber rafts and set them out to sea and watch them drown?

The fact is, above poster, you have no alternative plan for the biggest refugee crisis since WWII.

"A country that does not protect its borders is not a country," you say, above poster. If that is the case, there are no countries. It is impossible to "protect" borders from desperate people.

There's a surprise. In fact, the majority of the invaders are not from Syria at all, but are chancers out for whatever they can get.

Anyone who claims to be from Syria, but isn't, should be immediately deported. No second chance to make up a different pack of lies. Europe has enough dishonest crooks already without importing more.

Certainly we do not need dishonest crooks. The honest ones are bad enough.

Here is an interesting question. Suppose some of the non Syiansn turn out to be Chaladean Christians from Iraq?

@JeffLee

But hey, blaming the US always makes a great narrative, right? Well, dont let reality get in the way.

Here is a little reality for you. How do you plan to dismiss it?

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/04/20/worrying-rise-us-weapon-sales-greeted-middle-east-engulfed-war

Frontex, EU agency responsible for the security of board controls, with land, sea and air boarder centres at Piraeus, (Greece), Berlin, (Germany), risk analysis centre, Helsinki, (Finland), and Rome, (Italy) have been fully aware for 6 months that only 20% of this huge human exodus of migrates were genuine asylums seekers.

Angela Merkel German government and Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president were fully briefed months ago of the impending dangers, but still recklessly ignored the warnings fearing the collapse of Schengen.

Time and again Frontex warned that Schengen the convention entered into force in 1995 abolishing checks at the internal borders was allowing external non EU economic migrates and potential terrorists to roam unchecked through borderless states, regions and countries yet both continued to encourage an open door policy.

This has heralded unprecedented harassment of young German women in towns and cities adjacent to refugee centers being threatened with verbal and physical abuse from large groups of militant Islamic Pakistani and Afghan young men, shouting abuse telling them to cover up and refrain from consuming alcohol.

Schengen must be repealed, all illegal immigrants rounded up and interned prior to enforced repatriation, those refusing to cooperate must be forcibly sent to one of the middle eastern refugee camps. Donald Tusk at meeting fringe to last week's emergency summit warned that millions more migrants, ‘the policy of open doors and windows policy’ must be scrapped.

The EU refugee council has presented a harrowing report to the EU parliament of documented rape and enforced prostitution, including the abuse of children at transit camps and centres in Germany.

There's a surprise. In fact, the majority of the invaders are not from Syria at all, but are chancers out for whatever they can get.

@Scrote No. The surprise is that you could not get down to the fifth paragraph of this short article, where it clearly says:

The fact that up to 30 percent of those claiming to be Syrian are from elsewhere doesn’t mean they don’t qualify for asylum.

In other words the majority are Syrian, and even among those who aren't, many are not invaders but genuine asylum seekers simply trying to get an edge.

Many posters blamed Russia for Syrian civil war. In fact US and UK inflamed, destabilized and dethroned Egypt and Libra dictators before Syrian crisis. Assad, Mubarak and Kadaffi are lesser evils comparing with Saudi Prince who beheaded and chopped the hands of civilians. Arab spring has become world wide nightmare because of the IS was born. Assad may be a Saturn however he has never beheaded Asians or Westerners.

U.S. Has sacked all the public servants and military staff of Irag after toppling Saddam. Those unemployed Iragi people crossed Syria and started caliphate state with violent army.

Saudi dictators have been treated favorably by U.S for liquid gold. If Russia will not protect Assad, Syria will fall under IS. There will be Irag too. IS has been armed and financed by Saudi. It is the birth place of Osama Bin. Middle East has been more peaceful, stable and orderly before Irag war.

Kabukilover: I suggest that such economic immigrants be told (and forced) to obey the law, which would mean that they have to legally apply for a German visa in their home country at a German consulate or embassy. Why? Because dozens of millions of people throughout the world have done so in the past decades. But then, that would entail seriously studying foreign languages (which takes at least 4 or 5 years) and another field (i.e., getting a degree in, let's say, engineering or molecular biology, medicine, etc) which takes 5 to 7 seven years, plus also finding someone in the destination country to write a letter of invitation (for study course or a job) for you, and a guarantee of future income (scholarship or salary), which one may manage to obtain, or never obtain at all. Western media, especially BBC, who constantly talk of immigrants as "desperate people who risk their lives to cross the Mediterranean waters" to me are absolutely ignorant of reality: it is actually much easier to risk it for several days and even to travel for a couple of months and enter illegally knowing that you will be accepted than to work and study for 7 or 10 years every day and still be uncertain whether you will be approved for a legal stay. And before you all start shouting at me how inhumane I am for putting laws above economic immigrants' suffering, let me tell you that I have survived three Balkan wars, lived for years on literally 10 dollars a month and managed to move abroad legally after 6 years of study and preparations, just like many of my friends. LAWS CANNOT APPLY FOR SOME AND NOT APPLY FOR OTHERS!!! Also, apart from the issue of obeying or not obeying laws, you cannot ask some to spend years and years of their life to gain all kinds of skills in order to gain something and then give the same or similar thing to others for free. THERE SHOULD BE NO DOUBLE STANDARDS!!

Both Junker and and Martin Schulz President of the European Parliament are reportedly refusing to publish Frontex full security assessment analysis and migrant report.

German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere has also confirmed to German daily Die Welt that that only a 'minority' 'could be' genuine asylum seekers. I understand the reallocation agreement has been temporarily rescinded. Apologies for my grammar and spelling I am on the tram bashing away one handed.

"How do you plan to dismiss it?"

I suggest you do a Google image search of a "ISIS militant". In nearly every case they are carrying Russian/Chinese rifles and grenade launchers, not Western ones. That article describes items NOT used for genocide, like drones and air-defense systems, most of which are going to small and relatively peaceful countries like UAE, where genocide is NOT taking place.

Once, again, when Yadzis or Shiite villagerers get a bullet thru the head before being tossed into a mass grave, you can bet it's a Russian-Chinese bullet. The Communists flooded that region with offensive weapons, which they gave away like candy, for the original purpose of genocide (annihilating the Jews in Israel).

Saying "it's all the West's doing" indicates complete ignorance of Middle Eastern conflict and a simplistic worldview.

You're right, it's not all the West's fault.

Most of the fault can be laid at the feet of the U.S. Simplistic ignorance would be not admtting that truth.

I suggest you do a Google image search of a "ISIS militant". In nearly every case they are carrying Russian/Chinese rifles and grenade launchers, not Western ones.

A picture of a weapon does not tell you where it was made or who sold it to whom. Rifles from the Kalashnikov family are manufactured in many different countries, particularly Bulgaria.

The most notorious arms dealer in history is Victor Bout, who got started as the Soviet Union was falling apart and probably got a great lot of his early merchandise from Soviet caches during the confusion.

But plenty of their weapons were "liberated" from caches America meant for Iraqi forces.

Once, again, when Yadzis or Shiite villagerers get a bullet thru the head before being tossed into a mass grave, you can bet it's a Russian-Chinese bullet.

Correction: Chinese or Soviet MADE bullet. Which, once again, does not prove who sold it or how it got there. Anyway, a quote:

Of the 1,730 cartridges in the sample, 73 percent were manufactured in China (445), the Soviet Union (338), the United States (323) and the Russian Federation (154).

Source can be found by searching "Where Does ISIS Get Its Ammunition? New Report Finds Arms Manufactured in Over 20 Countries"

American bullets are not the majority, but geez, those bullets had to travel there from half way around the world! Russia and China are much closer. What gives? But anyway, those are old bullets, some going back as far as 1945!

Interestingly, the overwhelming majority of new bullets come from Bulgaria.

Perhaps the world should finally declare the violent psychos running Islamic governments ate not in fact legitimate, groups like Isis are not legitimate and wipe them out. Then tell these refugees to move up to this century and stop living in a culture which approves of rape, slavery and murder in the name of holy books. The core problem is the refugees themselves are the ones who raised boys into violent animals who rape and enslave.

Yeah Todd. Only Muslims rape, slave and murder. NOT.

As for approval of same in Islamic governments, man, you have been drinking some serious kool-aid.

The core problem is the refugees themselves are the ones who raised boys into violent animals who rape and enslave.

If you raised your kid in a place made into a perpetual war zone thanks to it being carved up by the British Empire, you would not be raising your kids to be tree huggers. I still cannot believe America had a chance to divide Iraq into separate Kurdish, Sunni and Shia countries but didn't bother. I guess the American Empire sees the same benefits in an unstable Middle East as the British Empire.

Kabukilover:

" What are your alternative ideas? Would you care to shoot them? All the men, women and children as they look you in the eye? Or would like put them on rubber rafts and set them out to sea and watch them drown? The fact is, above poster, you have no alternative plan for the biggest refugee crisis since WWII. "

First, close the border. Then, deal with the ones that are inside already. The other way around simply does not work, because as long as you leave the open invitation, there is no limit to the numbers. Right now, figures of 35 million immigrants are talked about, but that is only the beginning.

I agree with you that almost all of the ones who are in Germany now, legally or illegally, will stay. But to keep the open invitation and ignore the Schengen laws is civilizational suicide.

I disagree with your claim that this is a "refugee" crisis. It is an illegal immigration crisis (called a "hijrah" in islamic terms).

@ Peace Out

" a place made into a perpetual war zone thanks to it being carved up by the British Empire,"

It was originally "carved up" by the Ottomans, the great Muslim imperial colonists, and before the British arrived the region was the mother of all "war zones"....a genocidal killing ground.

The Arabs looked to the British like Lawrence of Arabia for protection and support, fearing the Muslim Ottomans would basically do to them what they were trying to do to the Assyrians, Armenians and others: wipe them off the earth.

If the Islamic imam reactionaries in the mountains hadn't issue a fatwa -- based on medieval religious bigotry as opposed to modern geopolitical pragmatism -- against the British, the region could have enjoyed relative peace and prosperity, as has Jordan, which was fully created by the "carving up" by the British, and it became leading light in the region. The operative factor is alwasy that hate-filled creed which has blighted the ME for 1,500 years.

@JeffLee

So its okay if the British and Americans follow in the footsteps of the Ottomans, cause the Ottomans did it first?

Could you just explain to me the logic in forcing the Kurds, Sunnis and Shias to share Iraq? And could you tell me if you were expecting that to hold together without another Saddam at the helm?

I said civil war was guaranteed when America tried to turn Iraq into a three way democracy of blood enemies. And look! The civil war even spilled over into Syria! Seems to me that American foreign policy was to create ISIS. On purpose. Oh, but I see. That is okay with you because the Ottomans did it first. Lovely.

@Peace Out

".... follow in the footsteps of the Ottomans, cause the Ottomans did it first?"

The Ottomans ruled the region for 400 years. The Westerners were there for around 15 years to deal with a massive power vacuum caused by the Ottomans and their oppressed and angry subjects. But the Westerns created all the misery, right?. I mean, get real.

"the logic in forcing the Kurds, Sunnis and Shias to share Iraq"

The Ottomans administered the region in the same basic lump for centuries, mainly because it roughly conicided with ancient Mesopotamia. The British, who were short term temporary visitors there to insert a semblance of administration, didn't make huge changes to the old Ottoman borders, nor of course did they instigate the religious and tribal hatreds. The region's Muslim rulers had sowed the seeds centuries ago.

"And look! The civil war even spilled over into Syria!"

You talk as if such "civil war" and religious hatred is strictly a recent Western invention. LOL. A simplistic and shallow view of history, indeed.