Gunman kills 3 Pittsburgh police officers responding to domestic disturbance call

Sunday 05th April, 06:57 AM JST

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SushiSake3 at 05:20 PM JST - 5th April

Superlib - "Rolling out your favorite one-liners (looks like " shooting turkeys" is your choice for this topic) just makes things more difficult for those of us who would like to see guns banned."

That might be so, but people like you "who would like to see guns banned" are not doing enough.

You have twice already today expressed your sympathy for gun crime victims.

It seems that saying stuff is right about where your attempts to see guns banned stops.

It's like the company director who apologizes in tears on TV for corruption, and then goes right back to his bad old ways.

Lots of words, few actions. It's not enough and you know it.

Action, please.
SushiSake3 at 05:25 PM JST - 5th April

Superlib - "Well then we're left with two possible choices. Either the person who said they're shocked it would happen in their community is insane and/or just out of touch with the reality of his community, or perhaps you have little to no understanding or perspective on gun violence in the US."

Superlib, I think what most people understand about gun violence in the US is that it is getting worse by the week and that there are unfortunately too many people like yourself, who are just not prepared to do anything much about it.

Oh, of course - to your credit you have twice already today expressed your sympathy for the victims.

Is that enough? And will it ever end?

Not unless good citizens like yourself stop talking and get acting to get gun laws tightened.
ANOTSUSAGAMI at 05:43 PM JST - 5th April

"Is that enough? And will it ever end?

Not unless good citizens like yourself stop talking and get acting to get gun laws tightened." Sushi- I'll say it once more, Criminals will always be able to get guns, law or no law. Even if it were against the law, this guy and criminals like him would still have guns. It's what makes them criminals, this disregard for the law. Gun laws don't apply in this story.
Madverts at 06:09 PM JST - 5th April

I support banning nutters, and refusing them access to firearms.
TokyoGas at 06:35 PM JST - 5th April

This is getting ridiculous. How many multiple shootings can happen in a month. Crazy!
likeitis at 06:46 PM JST - 5th April

ANOTSUSAGAMI: A gun ban would have done nothing for this guy as it is clear he would have circumvented the law to obtain his weapons in the same way he did to get his vest. I do think making it harder to get guns MAY help, but it will not stop these incidents. Criminals will always be able to get guns, law or no law.

I agree with so much of this post, yet I have so many objections. Perhaps the objections are merely semantical?

Of course he would have tried to circumvent a gun ban. That does not mean he would have succeeded. Also, I advocate gun control rather than a ban.

Making it harder to get guns "may" help? No, I think it will most certainly help. Other countries prove this clearly.

Stop these incidents? Of course we cannot stop them 100 percent. But an 80 percent reduction would be really, really nice. What we want is to prevent as many as we can. Stop is an impossible goal.

Criminals will "always" be able to get guns? I would say "sometimes". To say "always" makes the whole attempt seem futile. It is not. We can prevent most of these incidents I believe, through smarter gun control.
cleo at 07:35 PM JST - 5th April

Criminals will always be able to get guns, law or no law.

How come this kind of stuff happens rarely in other countries (where criminals are always able to get guns, law or no law) but on a monthly/weekly/daily basis in America?

Once again the pro-gun gang seem to be stating that there's something....different....about Americans that makes them more likely to want to kill people than the rest of us are.
sailwind at 08:32 PM JST - 5th April

Once again the pro-gun gang seem to be stating that there's something....different....about Americans that makes them more likely to want to kill people than the rest of us are.

I think not.

Moderator: References to shootings in other countries are of course irrelevant to this discussion.
laconic at 09:44 PM JST - 5th April

Personally I think the reason that Americans with guns are more likely to kill than say Canadians or Germans, who also have access to firearms, is that Americans are brought up with an absolute belief that they are the centre of the universe, their needs and desires take precedence over any other concern. Arrogance and guns don't mix.

Moderator: Please do not post inflammatory remarks.
SushiSake3 at 10:08 PM JST - 5th April

ANOTSUSAGAMI - "Gun laws don't apply in this story."

Sorry, gun laws are at the center of this story. Had it been more difficult for this guy to gain acces to guns, there may never have been a story.
SushiSake3 at 10:09 PM JST - 5th April

likeitis - "Stop these incidents? Of course we cannot stop them 100 percent. But an 80 percent reduction would be really, really nice. What we want is to prevent as many as we can. Stop is an impossible goal."

Bang on.
SushiSake3 at 10:15 PM JST - 5th April

laconic - "Personally I think the reason that Americans with guns are more likely to kill than say Canadians or Germans, who also have access to firearms, is that Americans are brought up with an absolute belief that they are the centre of the universe, their needs and desires take precedence over any other concern. Arrogance and guns don't mix."

I also think there is an aspect of aggressive white male behavior existing in not just America but other western nations, too.

Adding easily accessible weapons to the mix only makes things more volatile.

Add to that, I think Americans tend to have a very strong affiliation with the land they own, and will do almost anything - including using firearms - to protect it.

Of course, males in other countries also display these characteristics, however the difference is that outside war zones, Americans probably have the easiest access to weapons.
Badsey at 02:41 AM JST - 6th April

It is hard for people to help you when you kill them.
JoeBigs at 05:33 AM JST - 6th April

Poplawski, armed with an assault rifle and two other guns

Let me guess he needed all those weapons because he loved to hunt raptors.

Poplawski had feared “the Obama gun ban that’s on the way” and “didn’t like our rights being infringed upon,”

The far right has really stirred the pot nice a hot.....Let us see how many more will pay for their rants and rhetoric?

It is just going to get worse and worse until something is done about the gun problem.
SuperLib at 01:00 PM JST - 6th April

SushiSake: That might be so, but people like you "who would like to see guns banned" are not doing enough.

...and just what would you have me do, Sushi? Put a blanket ban on expressing sympathy then find the nearest gun supporter and crack him over the head a few times with some witty one liners while degrading the United States for personal satisfaction? I think I'll leave that up to you.

If you are interested in helping then you should learn about guns in America and stop using headlines as your sole source of information. Then you'll be able to sit down and have a rational conversation instead of discussing turkeys. After a while you'll find that you're better able to pull people over to your side. You might struggle a bit in the beginning but I'm convinced that if you tone down your rhetoric and stop trying to turn every debate into combat you'll have more success.

Believe it or not we all have the same goal which is to reduce violence. Some people believe guns are a means of protection and they can prevent violence from happening to them. Others believe that without guns violence overall would drop and there would be no need for such protective measures. It seems that your goal is to make the other side slap their foreheads and say, "Oh, yeah, I just realized that I am stupid and violent!" and you seem genuinely surprised that no one is doing that for you.

I think too often you like the excitement of attacking in a debate than actually solving the problem. I'm not asking you to change your position. I'm saying that you should change how you go about trying to change others.