Hamas bombing, Israeli airstrike shake Gaza truce

Wednesday 28th January, 06:50 AM JST

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smithinjapan at 06:24 PM JST - 28th January

Idiots... the lot of them. They nearly deserve each other.
sabiwabi at 06:32 PM JST - 28th January

To help you, it means to understand, or at least attempt to understand, the suffering and fears of both sides.

I thought I made it perfectly clear many times, that any so-called democracy (a shining example of democracy!) that chooses to treat others as animals for decades deserve to get rockets. According to a poll taken a couple of weeks ago, 80-90% (I don't remember the exact number) of Israelis supported this last carnage. So I couldn't care less about the feelings of the Israelis, just like you probably couldn't care less about Dr. Mengele's feelings. If by perspective you meant sympathy, then you're damn right, I do not sympathize with the Israelis. They don't deserve sympathy, they deserve a good kick in the groin!

You continue to pretend to view this as a balanced conflict where both sides share comparable faults. That is not a proper prospective. This is NOT a balance conflict.
bobbafett at 06:47 PM JST - 28th January

Sabiwabi,

The so called Palestinians have been itching for this for a long time. They destroyed their own Government, killed their own security forces and elected terrorists to lead them once Arafat, who refused peace any opportunity out of fear that his funding from a greater Arab mandate of the destruction of Israel, would disappear, died. That is entirely how corrupt the PLO were and why the people bought into the Hamas ideology, which is also sponsored by Islamic nations sworn to Israels destruction. Abbas wanted peace, he was removed. Hamas wants war, they were installed. Historically these so called Palestinians have no claim to this land. They are not Philistines.

They are mainly Jordanians, another British invention. Even the 3rd so called holiest site in Islam is a sham. Mohamed never even went to Jerusalem and the dome on the rock is built over top of Christian ruins which were built over top of Jewish ruins, long before Islam even existed. Islam itself is derived from Jewish founding fathers as is Christianity.

Maybe that is the core reason for so much antisemitism. The true fact that the Jews are the basis of the two biggest religions in history and that not a Christian or a Muslim can accept that fact and would rather the Jews just disappeared so that they can own Abraham, and Isaac etc.

I am not a Jew, but dammit they can defend their identity to the bitter end as far as I am concerned. Christians wanted them dead, Muslims want them dead and all over identity theft.
kinniku at 06:57 PM JST - 28th January

SezWho2,

Please forgive the brevity of this post. Hopefully, at some point I will have time to address what you decribed more fully as it deserves to be. Yes, I meant discount, not disclaim. I think it is fair to discount the hot-headed reactions on both sides of the debate.

As you can see, there certainly are posters who see no room for criticism of Hamas and cannot find anyway to share Israelis' perspectives on the situation. This is what I was referring to and to what I believe the original comment by another poster was referring.

I agree that Hamas and Palestine are not the same and should not be seen as such. I will also check out the article you suggested. I am always interested in suggestions for a solution to the mess that is the Middle East. Thanks.
adaydream at 01:01 AM JST - 29th January

I understand that Israel is/has been bombing Gaza again in an attempt to destroy more tunnels. It's not like that didn't do enough destruction before. < :-)
SuperLib at 05:49 AM JST - 29th January

sabiwabi: I thought I made it perfectly clear many times, that any so-called democracy (a shining example of democracy!) that chooses to treat others as animals for decades deserve to get rockets.

I thought you'd made it perfectly clear many times that the rockets were being fired by Israel and they were framing Hamas for it. Which times when you were making it perfectly clear should we be using? ;)
grafton at 06:09 AM JST - 29th January

adaydream at 01:01 AM JST - 29th January Are you absolutely sure about this? I mean do you have photographic evidence & /or first hand testimonials from reliable witnesses? Remember you can’t just assume that because Israel has recently been bombing Gasa with the same kind of aircraft that these aircraft must also be Israeli. You saw the fuss that was made above in this thread when it took such a long time to work out if the headline was anti-hamas. Detail really is everything & you can’t just go about making assumptions, that really wouldn’t be fair, you could give perfectly good people a bad name that way, & I know that is the last thing you would want to do. Besides, Sabiwabi & Kinniku really need to get some sleep, they have been working very hard today & you wouldn’t want them to have to sort out a whole new issue about your assuming these aircraft were Israeli without proof. Now would you?
grafton at 06:17 AM JST - 29th January

SuperLib at 05:49 AM JST - 29th January It might help your understanding of Sabiwabi to read the comment below. He said this in all seriousness a few days ago. I personally found it to be a deeply moving statement, which some might call laughter.

“I have often found them to state the opposite of what I believe to be true”
bishamonten at 07:58 AM JST - 29th January

Bushlover.

Trust me, I am waiting with baited breath, & a giggle or two.
likeitis at 08:56 AM JST - 29th January

Trust me, I am waiting with baited breath, & a giggle or two.

Second time I have seen this mistake. Please, its "bated breath". When you say baited, I imagine you have just eaten some smelly fish bait, and that is why you have baited breath! Nasty! Please spell it right or find a new idiom.
sabiwabi at 11:06 AM JST - 29th January

I thought you'd made it perfectly clear many times that the rockets were being fired by Israel and they were framing Hamas for it.

I just said it is a possibility, we should not completely rule it out. Speaking of which, last night I watched the video of the bombing described in this article. As the vehicle approached the bomb location you could clearly hear "Allah Allah..." And then I thought, who benefits from this? I can understand someone (maybe someone who lost family members) wanting to kill IDF soldiers after what they've done. But why film it, while chanting "Allah...", and hand it over to the news station, right when the US envoy is coming to try to settle things? I could be wrong, but this is soooooo Mossad-like, especially with the secondary explosions to kill those who come to aid.
kinniku at 04:56 PM JST - 29th January

sabiwabi,

So I couldn't care less about the feelings of the Israelis...

Thank you for confirming what I had earlier posted...

I just said it is a possibility, we should not completely rule it out.

However, if someone suggests otherwise, you tend to act as if they must be part of some 'Zionist' plot. So, it seems like you were suggesting it is more than just a 'possibility'. In fact, as I pointed out before, you tend to guess incorrectly about such things quite often...

As to why they filmed it...who knows...Why did the people that cut-off those victims heads in Iraq and Saudi Arabia film and photograph them? Let me suggest the possibility that it makes for good recruiting videos and is also good for scaring people. That is one possibility...

Let's face it. It is turns out that a Palestinian group were to claim credit, it is my opinion that you would in all likelihood support the bombing of IDF soldiers anyway. So, maybe you shouldn't protest so much.
SuperLib at 05:50 PM JST - 29th January

So what exactly are you saying clearly, Sabi? That Israel is firing rockets into their own country or that Hamas is firing rockets into Israel?
johancohen at 03:11 PM JST - 2nd February

alas, continued massacres, denied atrocities, fallacious incongruities, what on earth does hamas has to do for us? each and every shot rings across the world, America has heard the thunder, and they, those terrorists, will not hold true.
WilliB at 07:17 PM JST - 2nd February

As usual, Israel is expected to hold still and do nothing, while Hamas is free lob bombs and rockets at Jews.... after all, Hamas is democratically elected.