Hamas declares victory in rallies across Gaza

Wednesday 21st January, 06:02 AM JST

The requested article has expired, and is no longer available. Any related articles, and user comments are shown below.

› Login to comment

Latest 15 of 84 Total Comments Show All

kinniku at 05:37 PM JST - 22nd January

One can only hope that the future of the Israelis and Palestinians will not continue to be tied up in such hate and will move on toward an atmosphere of mutual understanding of the suffering both sides have been through. Wishing that Israel will somehow be destroyed has gotten the Palestinians nowhere and has only helped fan the fires of hate amongst people who would have hated anyway.

Moderator: Please stay on topic.
likeitis at 05:50 PM JST - 22nd January

You asked for a picture, you got one. Then you proceeded to dispute it.

I asked for a picture of a militant hiding behind a kid. I still have not seen one. Its just that simple.

Note that that is different from pictures of militants using human shields, because a human shield does not need to be in front of the user.

If you are arguing that using a young person as a human shield is the same thing as "hiding behind a kid", that might explain the problem. Is that it? Let us get that cleared up first. Then there are some other things, some related to the following:

As if you actually believe they volunteered to form a Human shield and weren't coerced into it instead.

I have no real reason to doubt both types of people exist. Desperate people do desperate things. But what I am asking for is proof, because I am dead sick of all the hype.

In fact, I did a search and that led me to Youtube, where I saw videos claiming Israeli soldiers were using Palestinians as human shields. They were just as hyped from what I could see. What I saw were young men apparently under arrest or made to assist in one.

And if your stepdad grabbed you that way when he was angry, I sure hope he wasn't carry an AK-47 at the time and in a war zone.

Funny, but I was looking at the video (did you watch it?) and I did not see anybody shooting any guns. I saw one guy with a gun on his back, grab a kid and cart him off to the other side of the road toward a large group of people. End of video. What happened next? I refuse to fill in that blank with my imagination alone, nor yours. That is just not proof.

and then you you changed your tune

Hardly. I gleaned different information from your images, as they were irrelevant and inconclusive to the topic they were meant for.

Now, how about it? "Hiding behind kids" equals young people standing behind you or gathered at your house? Yes or no?
likeitis at 06:00 PM JST - 22nd January

Myself: In fact, I did a search and that led me to Youtube, where I saw videos claiming Israeli soldiers were using Palestinians as human shields.

Which is funny, because what I typed in was "kid human shield", assuming Hamas related would pop up in spades. Boy was I surprised! A more biased person would have just put Hamas in the search, and found exactly what he wanted to see. Let me say that again, "exactly what he wanted to see!"
wuzzademcrat at 06:21 PM JST - 22nd January

Does anybody with a brain in their head actually think that Israel, which has been on the defensive for over 50 years, enjoys going into battle every five or ten years?

Seriously, do the pro-Hamas, pro-Palestinian posters here think that Israel enjoys 'going back to 1967' and, as object of the lidless gaze of an almost universally hostile 24 hour int'l media, wants to jeopardize all they have worked for and achieved?

We are talking about a nation which has a globally integrated economy, a vibrant manufacturing sector, cutting edge IT and medical research facilities, a system of farms which are a miracle in the desert and a dynamic, liberal and tolerant culture producing world class artists - all in sharp contrast to its Arab neighbors.
moonbeams at 06:58 PM JST - 22nd January

likeitis,

I agree, the video that sailwind posted does not convince that Hamas uses children as shields. We have no idea what's going on in the video. For all we know, the Hamas soldier could have been saving the kid from a leftover cluster bomb that Israel left behind.

That said, maybe this video will convince you that Hamas uses children as shields. Here they can be seen firing from in front of a school. They do that so that Israel cannot attack them as they fire rockets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JNQk2gbROk

and look, using a tv station as a shield: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lLmm3IoeLQ
kinniku at 07:44 PM JST - 22nd January

Moderator: Please stay on topic.

Moderator,

I appreciate your request. However, I do find it interesting that this post is allowed to stay even though my post to which it is in response has been removed. Additionally, I also find it interesting that sabiwabi's accusing me of "distortions" is not 'offensive', but my pointing out actual false statements is 'offensive'. I guess quoting 'offensive' statements is 'more offensive' than the 'offensive' statements...What is most sad, is that the quotes I cut and pasted were taken right from this website and they are all written by the same poster...

Kinniku, Wow, that sure is an interesting collection of distortions of my previous posts. The only one I'll bother respond to, because you've brought up almost daily, is the one about blaming Jews for the death of Jesus. If one looks at the original post and realize whose post I was responding to (Helter?) and what he/she had written, most normal people would not have a fit as you have. Your other points are just too distorted to bother. But hey, please do continue to shoot the messenger when you can't refute the message
sailwind at 10:59 PM JST - 22nd January

Likeitis

U.N Ambulance

I rest my case.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=MAR_Iwq9-R0&NR=1
likeitis at 11:22 PM JST - 22nd January

I rest my case.

What case? The video is from 2004 and I don't see any kids in it! I don't even know where it was filmed!
sailwind at 11:36 PM JST - 22nd January

What case? The video is from 2004 and I don't see any kids in it! I don't even know where it was filmed!

As I said earlier

Why do you ask for soemone to submit you proof for anyway. Anything that is presented you'll dismiss it anyway.
goodDonkey at 11:51 PM JST - 22nd January

likeitis

It was probably produced by The Onion or something similar.
likeitis at 11:53 PM JST - 22nd January

Moonbeams,

The opening explanation from your video says its from Jan 2009. Yet, here is the same video from May 2008

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=pwngzfgjorY

Strange eh? Anyhow, I never said Hamas does not use children as shields. I am sure they do. I will say it one more time: VOR said Hamas hides behind kids. I asked for a pic of a Hamas militant hiding behind a kid. I will take a video. But if I do not see a Hamas militant hiding behind a kid, you fail. Thank you.

And the video of the Graad rocket? Did not see the rocket sorry. In fact, I did not even hear it, despite the fact the lady said the sound was LOUD.

Better yet, despite the fact the video was posted on Jan. 20, 2009, the explanation of the video claims:

A week later the building was bombed.

Stay away from there Jan. 27. That is my advice.
likeitis at 12:00 AM JST - 23rd January

Why do you ask for soemone to submit you proof for anyway. Anything that is presented you'll dismiss it anyway.

If it does not show a Hamas militant hiding behind a kid, it fails.

I ask for proof, because some of you will believe anything. It is simply astounding how some of you never question what you want to hear. Somebody said Hamas hides behind kids. And you are taking it as gospel just because that is what you want to believe. You have not one shred of proof of that specific scenario.

Now, I asked you a question, twice. You gonna answer it?
likeitis at 12:04 AM JST - 23rd January

It was probably produced by The Onion or something similar.

goodDonkey, thanks for the smile.

But if The Onion got around to producing serious propaganda vids, I am not confident I could find the flaws half as easy, if at all.

Moderator: Stay on topic please. No further discussion of this video or The Onion, thank you.
likeitis at 11:09 AM JST - 23rd January

I mistakenly accused VOR of something bobbafett said. Sorry VOR.

Anyway, can I get an answer to the question? When one declares "Hamas hids behind kids", is that just and an exaggeration of the human shield claim, or no? Is it literal, or no?
johancohen at 10:25 AM JST - 27th January

hamas is an irreparable, farcical, quaint smidgen that preexists themselves in an empty vacuum. so much so for a quasi-group trumpeting their irreconciliable demise.