Hezbollah prisoners freed in exchange for dead Israeli soldiers

Friday 18th July, 06:40 AM JST

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Madverts at 07:48 PM JST - 19th July

Skelter,

"Madverts, I'd be interested in how you know this."

Are you willing to bet the extremist asholes in full, demented jihad mode were going to keep them alive?

It was a forgone conclusion for me.
Helter_Skelter at 03:53 AM JST - 20th July

Mdaverts,

Are you willing to bet the extremist asholes in full, demented jihad mode were going to keep them alive

They very well could have been kept alive and tortured for months before they were murdered. We'll see if something comes out on this but, unless you know something I don't, it's not a forgone conclusion they were dead from the outset.
sabiwabi at 10:04 AM JST - 22nd July

Helter, Its interesting though that they make or discuss these plans just a few months before they send these soldiers as bait, to be sacrificed for the purpose of destroying Lebanon. Reminds me of Silverstein's leasing and changing the insurance on the WTC just months before they are destroyed.
kinniku at 04:43 PM JST - 22nd July

sabiwabi,

Yadda, yadda, yadda. You can keep playing the "I have no proof, but here's another conspiracy theory" all you want. It doesn't change the fact you have added nothing of substance to the discussion. Patrols of the Sheba Farms area are nothing to be considered unique or unusual. However, I am sure you will not have any trouble letting facts get in the way of your fantasies.

Hezbollah did not have to capture those soldiers, nor did they have to kill them. However, they did both and Lebanon paid for it. I don't think the price was worth it.
sabiwabi at 06:09 PM JST - 23rd July

kinniku

Yadda, yadda, yadda.

Yidda, yidda, yidda to you too. You can continue to pretend that Israel is only defending itself. I'm sure many believe your version of events, but fortunately many are finally catching on to these lies.
USARonin at 06:17 PM JST - 23rd July

Israel is only defendin' herself.

Givin' back those hills turned out to be a big mistake as I said it would.

Those Muslim terrorists just used the territory to rocket and bomb Israel.

USAR
kinniku at 09:03 AM JST - 24th July

sabiwabi,

Specifically, what lies would you be talking about? If you cannot specifically give details of these 'lies', one can only make the logical conclusion that you are misrepresenting the facts. Are you claiming that Hezbollah did not capture the soldiers? If so, you would be wrong. Are you claiming the soldiers were not killed? If so, you would be wrong again.

I do find it interesting that you continuously need to create a fantasy in order to make your points. The rest of society prefers to live in the real world with real facts to base their opinions on, not fantasies.
sabiwabi at 04:47 PM JST - 24th July

Nobody has ever claimed that the soldiers were not captured or that the soldiers were not killed, and you know that. Seems the only way you can "win" an argument is to misrepresent the other's posts. What does appear to be clear however is that the soldiers were captured inside Lebanon, and that they were probably sent there on purpose to help justify a massacre in Lebanon.

Hezbollah did not have to capture those soldiers, nor did they have to kill them. However, they did both and Lebanon paid for it. I don't think the price was worth it.

So if that was the price to pay for the capture of 2 soldiers, I'd hate to think what price Israel should pay for the capture, kidnapping, and murder of thousands, including many children. But I understand that for people like you, Jewish blood is infinitely more precious than anyone else's.
USARonin at 05:05 PM JST - 24th July

sabiwabi, so what's happened to all of Lebanon's Christians?

Sad.

USAR
kinniku at 06:44 PM JST - 24th July

sabiwabi,

Nobody has ever claimed that the soldiers were not captured or that the soldiers were not killed, and you know that.

You claimed something about being used as "bait" or "sacrificed" (with absolutely no proof or specifics. Surprise! Surprise!) That makes it look like Hezbollah had nothing to do with what happened. Of course, the opposite is true. You just don't like to talk about that. You enjoy creating fantastic diversions that have nothing to do with the topics at hand.

Seems the only way you can "win" an argument is to misrepresent the other's posts.

Huh uh (eyes rolling), where exactly did I "misrepresent" anything? I specifically and rather politely asked you what lies you were talking about. Funnily, you can't manage to be specific. That leads me to believe you don't actually believe what you write. Could you be a nice poster and tell me where the lies or misrepresentations are?

What does appear to be clear however is that the soldiers were captured inside Lebanon, and that they were probably sent there on purpose to help justify a massacre in Lebanon.

Hmmm...regardless of your record of misinformation, I will ask you again for specifics.

One: You say it is "clear" the soldiers were captured in Lebanon. Proof and specifics?

Two: Two you claim they were sent "on purpose". Proof and specifics?

If you cannot provide this proof or any specifics, one has to come to the logical conclusion that you know as much about this situation as you do about dangers in certain parts of Iran (of course we know you don't know much about that.)
kinniku at 07:01 PM JST - 24th July

sabiwabi,

Sorry for the horrible reality check (BTW, as anyone can read, it was not just a matter of two soldiers):

Clashes spread to Lebanon as Hezbollah raids Israel JERUSALEM: The Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah surprised Israel with a bold daylight assault across the border on Wednesday, leading to fighting in which two Israeli soldiers were captured and at least eight killed, and elevating recent tensions into a serious two-front battle.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/13/africa/web.0712mideast.php
kinniku at 07:49 AM JST - 25th July

So if that was the price to pay for the capture of 2 soldiers, I'd hate to think what price Israel should pay for the capture, kidnapping, and murder of thousands, including many children. But I understand that for people like you, Jewish blood is infinitely more precious than anyone else's.

Why does everything end up being about "Jews" with you? I have said in this very thread that the Lebanonese War was a waste of innocent life. I have never suggested support for the war in Lebanon. However, Israel was already attacking Gaza as a reprisal for the kidnapping of a soldier there. Hezbollah knew full well what the potential result of their attacks and the kidnapping could be. Even with that in mind they attacked Israel and kidnapped and murdered the soldiers. If they had not done that, there would not have been a war in Lebanon and there would not have been the resulting bloodshed.

Now that the exchange has been completed Hezbollah is using it to encourage more of the same and Hamas seems to want to join in. It is a shame and a horrible waste of life. Too many innocent people on both sides of this conflict have died needlessly. I can see this, why can't you?
sabiwabi at 01:40 PM JST - 25th July

However, Israel was already attacking Gaza as a reprisal for the kidnapping of a soldier there.

Oh, I see, when Israel does something, its always as a reprisal. But when the Palestinians do something in reprisal, for stolen land or kidnapped women and children, that's terrorism.

As for providing specifics, you always send me to Google when I ask you for specifics, why don't you google for the specifics. You'll find something that contradicts the version you get from your usual sources.
kinniku at 09:37 PM JST - 25th July

sabiwabi,

Oh, I see, when Israel does something, its always as a reprisal.

No, I never wrote that or even implied that. I was merely using the language of the International Herald Tribune article I linked. I am perfectly comfortable using the word 'attack' instead as I have in most of my post above in this thread. However, the word reprisal is often used to describe actions on both sides and even amongst Palestinian factions. So, I am not sure why you are focusing on the word reprisal. The fact remains Israel was attacking Gaza when Hezbollah attacked Israel with rockets and attacked, captured and killed Israeli soldiers. It was an easy guess that another attack on Hezbollah was possible based on what was going on in Gaza. That was and still is my point.

But when the Palestinians do something in reprisal, for stolen land or kidnapped women and children, that's terrorism.

In general, I try to stay away from these types of terms. After all, many people that were considered terrorists or rebels in countries such as Japan, the US, Israel and many other countries are now considered heroes by the citizens of their countries. Witness the Saigo Takamori statue in Ueno Park in Tokyo for example. However, as I mentioned earlier, the word reprisal has been used to describe actions on all sides, as have words such as 'attack'.

As for providing specifics, you always send me to Google when I ask you for specifics, why don't you google for the specifics.

Well, that is not true. In this very thread I provided you with a link to the International Herald Tribune. In our previous discussion, I provided you with links to Iran's official news agency the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA). Now, it is your turn to provide some specifics.

You'll find something that contradicts the version you get from your usual sources.

Well, we will see if that is true if you ever get around to providing some specifics. As far as my sources, both IRNA and the International Herald Tribune are respected news agencies. What possible problem could you have with them?
kinniku at 02:01 PM JST - 26th July

sabiwabi,

I took your advice and Googled "Lebanon War" The first hit was from Wikipedia, which I know you consider an acceptable source as you just used it on another thread yesterday.

From Wikipedia: The conflict began when Hezbollah militants fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence.[20] Of the seven Israeli soldiers in the two jeeps, two were wounded, three were killed, and two were captured and taken to Lebanon.[20]

Now, what were your specifics, again?