The mother had every right to risk her own life, but please don't try to turn her into a hero for risking her little boy's life. Regardless of what happened afterwards and the pro's and cons of the government decision, she had no right to take a child on a tiny boat on 'very rough seas' across a dangerous stretch of water.
The irony is staggering. Supposedly anti-family liberals reunited Elian with his father. While the so-called pro-family conservatives wanted to destroy an already devastated family in pursuit of ideology.
The right call was made. The family unit was respected over ideology. Holder may not be the best candidate for AG but the Elian case is not the issue to defeat his nomination.
she had no right to take a child on a tiny boat on 'very rough seas' across a dangerous stretch of water." Ah but Padre Castro had every right to basically keep them locked?
The family unit was united was respected with someone wasn't even part of the family and much less back to a place that the US government has had issues with for five decades? We don't even send back a person who has committed murder there. Come on.
but the Elian case is not the issue to defeat his nomination." Ok, so lets see what other tiny issues can defeat his nomination. Who is anyone to tell another what issues are relevant and what are not? The same people grilling me here are probably the ones who were calling for Alberto's firing.
Alberto's inability to do his job has nothing to do with the Elian case."
I didn't post that he did. I was referring to the people here who wanted Alberto to get fired for things much less severe than what the Clinton Admin and Holder as one of the ring leaders did. And now you want people to express best wishes?
Or, are you going to call us racist because we don't want him in the AG's spot. If you like the idea of people having the authority of breaking down doors with AR-15's in riot gear than go ahead have the idiot, but remember what you wish for as you should be careful.
If we are going to have a person running the country who has no regard for a particular community and then take on another who could careless about his actions, then all I can say is don't start crying when they do come to Miami and are protested.
BTW, Alberto is someone who should be praised instead of scrutinized.
powderfinger, I don't understand your link. Are you trying to say that Elian's mother was justified in putting his life in danger at sea because men were going to point guns at him in Florida?
The whole Elian thing was a travesty. The child should have been allowed to stay with his relatives in Florida, not be forcibly repatriated just because the father, who his wife left, came to the US. And the way in which it was done, was simply inexcusable.
Personally, I'd rather he had gone for Napalitano. Mostly of course because I'm from Az, and getting rid of Napalitano would be a definite benefit to the state.
Isn't Holder the guy who, as Deputy Attorney General, was the key person who made possible the pardon of fugitive billionaire Marc Rich in the final hours of the Clinton presidency?
Holder has publicly apologized for what he said was a snap decision that he should have paid more attention to.
He gave a recommendation for a Presidential pardon based on a snap decision that he didn't pay enough attention to? I can't say I knew anything about the guy before reading this article...but...jeeze. You'd think "Presidential pardon" and "snap decision" and "didn't pay attention to" wouldn't appear in the same sentence.
Look Elian, like any child, should first be with his or her parents. Even if they live in an unpopular country. We evil liberals thought that he should be with his closest kin. While the other side wanted to make a political icon of the boy and keep him in the US.
Fact is our treatment of Cuba for all these years is misplaced Cold War nonsense. We would have had a much more powerful influence on Cuba had we been open and doing business with them than by keeping them poor and afraid of us. Cubans have been victims of the cold war far too long. And maybe we needed to be thinking then, as now, about removing the desire for people to take insane trips across the water.
I think we need to ignore this and get on with vetting this guy for real reasons.
We evil liberals thought that he should be with his closest kin." yeah, a non-existent next of kin. If this story never would have made to the headlines, Castro nor his dad would have been heard from.
While the other side wanted to make a political icon of the boy and keep him in the US." Man you got that sooo wrong. Who invited who to the white house? When was the last time been to any center in Miami?
Fact is our treatment of Cuba for all these years is misplaced Cold War nonsense." In a way, you're right, but who makes that call, not you for sure. How many of our relatives are still in prisons down there, how many of our kin's family had to do time for crimes committed by a father?
If you think you case is so strong, come to Miami and let's your "let's just shrug our shoulders and move on"...
I think we need to ignore this and get on with vetting this guy for real reasons." Right, so the next time I hear of a candidate paling around with some KKK Rev. Hagee, I'll make sure I look for your post in disregarding it.
Here is the fact, whether you agree or disagree on the outcome of Elian, you can not possibly accept the method in which they came down to our neighborhood and the action that took place was planned by Holder.
Moderator: Readers, please do not get bogged down on the Elian case. Please move the discussion along.
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cleo at 09:25 AM JST - 19th November
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The mother had every right to risk her own life, but please don't try to turn her into a hero for risking her little boy's life. Regardless of what happened afterwards and the pro's and cons of the government decision, she had no right to take a child on a tiny boat on 'very rough seas' across a dangerous stretch of water.
Better red than dead.
buddha4brains at 09:35 AM JST - 19th November
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The irony is staggering. Supposedly anti-family liberals reunited Elian with his father. While the so-called pro-family conservatives wanted to destroy an already devastated family in pursuit of ideology.
The right call was made. The family unit was respected over ideology. Holder may not be the best candidate for AG but the Elian case is not the issue to defeat his nomination.
powderfinger at 09:50 AM JST - 19th November
Another Clinton weasel. You'd hardly know that Obama won and HillBillary lost the bid for the WH.
skipthesong at 10:02 AM JST - 19th November
she had no right to take a child on a tiny boat on 'very rough seas' across a dangerous stretch of water." Ah but Padre Castro had every right to basically keep them locked? The family unit was united was respected with someone wasn't even part of the family and much less back to a place that the US government has had issues with for five decades? We don't even send back a person who has committed murder there. Come on.
but the Elian case is not the issue to defeat his nomination." Ok, so lets see what other tiny issues can defeat his nomination. Who is anyone to tell another what issues are relevant and what are not? The same people grilling me here are probably the ones who were calling for Alberto's firing.
skipthesong at 10:17 AM JST - 19th November
Another Clinton weasel." But, change has come to America!!
powderfinger at 10:20 AM JST - 19th November
"Better red than dead."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/americas/1578417.stm
buddha4brains at 10:35 AM JST - 19th November
That is what is called a non sequitar. Alberto's inability to do his job has nothing to do with the Elian case.
skipthesong at 10:51 AM JST - 19th November
Alberto's inability to do his job has nothing to do with the Elian case." I didn't post that he did. I was referring to the people here who wanted Alberto to get fired for things much less severe than what the Clinton Admin and Holder as one of the ring leaders did. And now you want people to express best wishes?
Or, are you going to call us racist because we don't want him in the AG's spot. If you like the idea of people having the authority of breaking down doors with AR-15's in riot gear than go ahead have the idiot, but remember what you wish for as you should be careful.
If we are going to have a person running the country who has no regard for a particular community and then take on another who could careless about his actions, then all I can say is don't start crying when they do come to Miami and are protested.
BTW, Alberto is someone who should be praised instead of scrutinized.
cleo at 11:18 AM JST - 19th November
powderfinger, I don't understand your link. Are you trying to say that Elian's mother was justified in putting his life in danger at sea because men were going to point guns at him in Florida?
Molenir at 01:20 PM JST - 19th November
The whole Elian thing was a travesty. The child should have been allowed to stay with his relatives in Florida, not be forcibly repatriated just because the father, who his wife left, came to the US. And the way in which it was done, was simply inexcusable.
Personally, I'd rather he had gone for Napalitano. Mostly of course because I'm from Az, and getting rid of Napalitano would be a definite benefit to the state.
Sarge at 01:36 PM JST - 19th November
Isn't Holder the guy who, as Deputy Attorney General, was the key person who made possible the pardon of fugitive billionaire Marc Rich in the final hours of the Clinton presidency?
SuperLib at 03:20 PM JST - 19th November
He gave a recommendation for a Presidential pardon based on a snap decision that he didn't pay enough attention to? I can't say I knew anything about the guy before reading this article...but...jeeze. You'd think "Presidential pardon" and "snap decision" and "didn't pay attention to" wouldn't appear in the same sentence.
tkoind2 at 03:36 PM JST - 19th November
Look Elian, like any child, should first be with his or her parents. Even if they live in an unpopular country. We evil liberals thought that he should be with his closest kin. While the other side wanted to make a political icon of the boy and keep him in the US.
Fact is our treatment of Cuba for all these years is misplaced Cold War nonsense. We would have had a much more powerful influence on Cuba had we been open and doing business with them than by keeping them poor and afraid of us. Cubans have been victims of the cold war far too long. And maybe we needed to be thinking then, as now, about removing the desire for people to take insane trips across the water.
I think we need to ignore this and get on with vetting this guy for real reasons.
skipthesong at 04:20 PM JST - 19th November
We evil liberals thought that he should be with his closest kin." yeah, a non-existent next of kin. If this story never would have made to the headlines, Castro nor his dad would have been heard from.
While the other side wanted to make a political icon of the boy and keep him in the US." Man you got that sooo wrong. Who invited who to the white house? When was the last time been to any center in Miami?
Fact is our treatment of Cuba for all these years is misplaced Cold War nonsense." In a way, you're right, but who makes that call, not you for sure. How many of our relatives are still in prisons down there, how many of our kin's family had to do time for crimes committed by a father?
If you think you case is so strong, come to Miami and let's your "let's just shrug our shoulders and move on"...
I think we need to ignore this and get on with vetting this guy for real reasons." Right, so the next time I hear of a candidate paling around with some KKK Rev. Hagee, I'll make sure I look for your post in disregarding it.
Here is the fact, whether you agree or disagree on the outcome of Elian, you can not possibly accept the method in which they came down to our neighborhood and the action that took place was planned by Holder.
Moderator: Readers, please do not get bogged down on the Elian case. Please move the discussion along.
Taka313 at 05:00 AM JST - 20th November
buddha4brains,
I saw a mistake in a comment you made:
Alberto's inability to remember doing his job has nothing to do with the Elian case.
There. Fixed it for you. :D
Taka