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Holder says he understands mistrust of police, pledges top investigators for Ferguson

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Holder seems to have a racial agenda yet again!

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Last night, on the eve of a grand jury hearing over the case, Missouri's Democratic governor Jay Nixon, who reportedly has 2016 White House aspirations, delivered an even more grossly irresponsible address calling for a "vigorous prosecution" of the Ferguson cop and demanded "justice for Michael Brown" and his family.

Just an obscene abuse of power and the law enforcement officer's Constitutional rights. A felony actually if it taints the jury pool or otherwise interferes with the due process of law.

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@markG

With this admin. it's always about race and it ALWAYS has a political agenda, even more so. November is around the corner and anything that can give the admin or the Democrats that golden egg they so desperately need to hold on to the Senate.

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Annually, 7,000 blacks are murdered in the U.S. However, 98 percent of the murder is blacks killing each other. And the cops? only two percent? Where do you think the real problem is?

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If only there was a mechanism in place by which people's rights would be protected and evildoers would be punished That would be great. We don't know all the facts and now we have completely conflicting accounts so that is going to take some time to sort itself out. There are issues that emerged in light of this event. That would include issues involving the militarization of the police, the rioting, the looting, who's responsible jurisdictionally for dealing with that, etc.

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Let me guess sfjp330! hmmm.....I can't seem to figure it out. See, because in Chicago, very near to the presidents neighborhood its a shooting gallery. Sadly its not metal plates for targets. Its real human beings.

Simply put, I don't worry in my neighborhood. I made sure of that. I worked hard and live with like minded people in the neighborhood. They have home ownership pride and actually have gone months in a row w/o locking my doors 24 hours a day. No alarm system, don't need it. Anything is possible at any time but a minute risk I am willing to take.

Bottom line, Choose chaotic life, live in chaos. Choose something much better, life is easier.

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Annually, 7,000 blacks are murdered in the U.S. However, 98 percent of the murder is blacks killing each other. And the cops? only two percent? Where do you think the real problem is?

Holder is nursing a grudge against white people that is eating at him. A disparate impact is unacceptable regardless of the reason for it. If blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than whites it is somehow not because of the choices that those black criminals have made, it's because of "the man" - the white man. He can't tell you which white person is behind this nefarious outcome - so he blames all of them.

Holder sincerely believes that the officer that shot Brown is a card carrying racist that singled out his victim based on his skin color. He knows nothing about the officer. He doesn't need to know about him and he really doesn't want to know. If the officer was black he would have ignored the case completely just as he ignores all of the other cases involving a black shooter.

It's this narrow mindset that drives Holder, and Obama's, view of the world. Despite the evidence that is now emerging about the beating that the officer received from Brown, Holder will bring the full force of the US government down on this cop. He intends to make an example of him as an indictment for all of the perceived slights that he has endured in the nation of racist cowards that he perceives America to be. Yes, Holder is a flat out racist - but hating white (male) people is politically correct these days.

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delivered an even more grossly irresponsible address calling for a "vigorous prosecution" of the Ferguson cop and demanded "justice for Michael Brown" and his family.

We knew the white supremacists would raise a ruckus over this. Lizz, you're in classic form. I'm still laughing at your assessment of Nate Silver and how you thought we've be hailing President Romney now.

God bless President Obama. God bless Attorney General Holder.

Holder is nursing a grudge against white people that is eating at him.

This white person says that as long as the white supremacists squeal like stuck pigs, he's doing the right thing. Bless you, Mr. Holder.

Despite the evidence that is now emerging about the beating that the officer received from Brown

Emerging evidence from the bottom of the barrel. Beating? Oh, how some white people like to make things up.

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Finally we hear two separate and opposing accounts of the shooting event.

1 - He aggressively went after the officer after beating him in the car then running away only to return.

2 -His hands were up and it was an execution type shooting.

While just because your a police officer does not make you an angel 99 times out of 100 the police account is correct and the "witness's" are not. Yet this officer has been convicted of murder in the eyes of many blacks and that "honorable Rev. Al Sharpton" along with the New Black Panther Party stir the crowds and increase the violence and mayhem in the name of racism. Thank you black leader for creating another divide between the races!

Now, Add Holder. Who refuses many cases and will step into this one. This is an easy one once the investigation is completed. This will either end with charges against the officer or ruled justified. And sadly both families loose. The town of Ferguson is tarnished. And the nation was gripped by misinformation from "witnesses"!

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Finally we hear two separate and opposing accounts of the shooting event

Yes, we hear the accounts from the actual eyewitnesses who have gone on record. None of those conflict on the essential points. Then we hear the manufactured accounts from white supremacists who believe it's perfectly fine to execute an 18 year old kid for jaywalking.

Note to MarkG -- he was 25 or more feet away and was NOT aggressively going after the officer. No eyewitness has come forward with that.

Yet this officer has been convicted of murder in the eyes of many blacks and that "honorable Rev. Al Sharpton"

Wrong, Mark. He has been suspected of committing a crime in abusing his authority. Decent people want him charged just as any suspected criminal We believe that the laws of our country prohibit executing unarmed people for petty crimes like jaywalking and shoplifting.

Thank you black leader for creating another divide between the races!

Bow to whites, black leaders, or you will be accused of increasing the divide between races.

Now, Add Holder

May God bless him and President Obama. I thank the Almighty we have such leaders in place at this time. White supremacy is on its way out.

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Decent people want him charged just as any suspected criminal We believe that the laws of our country prohibit executing unarmed people for petty crimes like jaywalking and shoplifting.

Wouldn't decent people believe that a person be given the right to defend themselves when convicted in the court of public opinion of gunning down an innocent young man execution style for jaywalking? You have convicted him of being a racist murderer based on sketchy news reports. You know there is a chance he is innocent. Knowing you yabits, I bet you think he is a Jew and is therefore guilty - no further evidence required.

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Wouldn't decent people believe that a person be given the right to defend themselves

Certainly. First they have to arrested and charged with a crime.

You have convicted him of being a racist murderer based on sketchy news reports.

From all accounts, the police officer initiated contact with the youths with profanity and contempt. Would he have done the same in an upper-class neighborhood? I am skeptical.

You know there is a chance he is innocent.

No. Not according to the basic "book" that I use as a guide. Taking a life is never justified in this circumstance. A blow to the face does not justify taking a life. Taking an innocent life means that the murderer has to forfeit his life. Rallying to defend a murderer is a serious wrong as well. Brown has to be dehumanized so that his murder is justified.

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Then we hear the manufactured accounts from white supremacists who believe it's perfectly fine to execute an 18 year old kid for jaywalking.

Seriously? You spend your time putting out straw man arguments like that? Very troll-like.

he was 25 or more feet away and was NOT aggressively going after the officer. No eyewitness has come forward with that.

Brown, 6'4'' and 292 lbs., punched the police officer so hard that it caused an orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.

The St. Louis Post Dispatch has reported that more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated the police officer's story.

The continued protests no longer have connection to the residents of Ferguson. Of 78 protestors arrested last night for causing disturbances, just 3 were residents of the town.

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The St. Louis Post Dispatch has reported that more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated the police officer's story.

The St. Louis Post Dispatch has reported no such thing. Very troll-like.

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We knew the white supremacists would raise a ruckus over this. Lizz, you're in classic form. I'm still laughing at your assessment of Nate Silver and how you thought we've be hailing President Romney now.

What is it with you and White Supremists? Do you say the same about the New Black Panther Party and the militant Blacks that call for the lynching of officer Wilson, you have more, much more Black racists out there that are NOT willing to give the officer a fair trial. Yabits, you conveniently seem to overlook this critical point.

God bless President Obama. God bless Attorney General Holder.

Sad that it takes the death of a Black kid to get Obama and Holder off their butts and to finally take some proactive steps at something. I think this is the first for Holder.

From all accounts, the police officer initiated contact with the youths with profanity and contempt. Would he have done the same in an upper-class neighborhood? I am skeptical.

I grew up in an upperclass area and I can tell you without a doubt, YES! But it's ok, for people to use profanity and racial slurs towards the officers? You seem to forget, officers are humans too.

No. Not according to the basic "book" that I use as a guide. Taking a life is never justified in this circumstance. A blow to the face does not justify taking a life. Taking an innocent life means that the murderer has to forfeit his life. Rallying to defend a murderer is a serious wrong as well. Brown has to be dehumanized so that his murder is justified.

Who dehumanized Brown?? Brown did that to himself, that's where the blame should go first and foremost. I can tell you, the media, CNN in particular, their coverage was schocking, something I would have never anticipated from them, I thought Msnbc would dig into the gutter, because they swim in the sea of using and living by the creed of racism, but for CNN to traffic in it, it's strange, although I will say, this is a ratings business and the networks are in fierce competition with each other, especially Msnbc and CNN. Now I can assure you, if they could do stories on the Black murder rate in Chicago, I think this weekend alone, it was 5 murdered and 29 or so wounded, they would have to make an exclusive 24 hour network alone dedicated to all of the murders in that city, there would be no way to cover it all in a few hours. Do you hear the Black community or these so called Charlatans like Sharpton and Jackson and the NBPP? NOT a single word, because there Is NO money or shock and awe in covering those stories, but the industry is ripe for racially attacking and pointing the finger at Whites making them out to be murdering criminals that want minorities dead, that's the reason why these guys do what they do.

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recalling how he was repeatedly stopped by officers who seemed to target him because of his race. ... The attorney general remembered how he was stopped twice on a New Jersey highway and accused of speeding.

I also have been stopped for speeding, more than once. And yelled at by a judge. And had a cop crouch with his hand on his weapon, because I didn't know he'd been following me and I jumped out of my car. And on a different occasion had a cop order me to take my hands out of my jacket pockets, after having been stopped for speeding on a cold night. And had a cop follow me around after detecting a minor problem with my car, until he could bump it up to a $300 moving violation for something he wouldn't charge his grandmother with. And had a cop write the wrong info on a fenderbender wrong, to favor the other party, and ignored her cellphone use while driving and her driving into me, maybe because she was young and cute or maybe because she was the relative of a local cop (was REALLY suspicious of that one because I'd never seen such a fat cop hanging off the sides of a motorcycle).

But that's because I'm middleaged, not black, and people collect these incidents over time.

I'd never use those as excuse to punch a cop because I was in a bad mood.

AND I've given my kid "The Talk".

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punched the police officer so hard that it caused an orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.

The video taken by Piaget Crenshaw moments after the murder of Brown shows Officer Wilson pacing back and forth near the body. Neither side of his face appears to injured, and there's certainly no bleeding. He never puts either hand up to his face as people would normally do when they've sustained an injury like that. So what we most likely have here is an attempt to fabricate a story about this alleged injury.

you have more, much more Black racists out there that are NOT willing to give the officer a fair trial.

I've not encountered black racists here on JT, while white supremacists are a stable. White supremacy is endemic in the United States. Every major African American writer and intellectual points this out.

Who dehumanized Brown?? Brown did that to himself,

A person can't dehumanize themselves. That's simply more of your complete lack of basic understanding.

but the industry is ripe for racially attacking and pointing the finger at Whites making them out to be murdering criminals that want minorities dead

Whites in the U.S. want non-whites under firm, predictable control. Dead or in prison if need be, but under control. Canfield Drive belongs mainly to the people who live there. Brown, Johnson and many others probably walked in the street hundreds of times. No, but this white cop was going to show them who was boss. He showed them alright.

All of this simply because the officer couldn't use a little bit of courtesy, but disrespect and profanity. From the police department's perspective, was this all worth it? Meanness, profanity, and then trying to manhandle the young man when he mouthed off back.

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Yabits: Whites in the U.S. want non-whites under firm, predictable control. Dead or in prison if need be

I think there are reasonable, intelligent people who can support a case in favor of Brown. And when those people see you, I bet they shake their heads. You should step aside and stop hurting those who might support Brown. You do more harm for your side than good.

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I think there are reasonable, intelligent people who can support a case in favor of Brown. And when those people see you, I bet they shake their heads. You should step aside and stop hurting those who might support Brown. You do more harm for your side than good.

You seem to have this long and lingering obsession with what other people think, and are under the delusion that I care. If you were reasonable or intelligent you'd know that most reasonable, intelligent people don't side on an issue based on personalities or debating styles.

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Lots of comments about race, but not so many about the facts. People are killed by police every day in America, the reason THIS time exploded in protest is because it was done in a residential area in broad daylight and the body was left lying in the street for HOURS like roadkill. I'd like to believe that had it been a white teen, asian teen, hispanic teen, the people of the neighbor would also protest for at least an arrest. Remember, an arrest is not a conviction, but this SHOULD be investigated. Just because the victim is black doesn't automatically make it a "race thing".

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I would like to propose two things. 1.) All law enforcement officers should wear video cameras that record their actions. GoPro immediately comes to mind. That would solve many of the "officer-said, suspect said" problems. Some of these "eyewitnesses" who are coming forward are being proved to be either lying or seriously biased. 2.) Given the anti-police atmosphere in minority communities a greater effort in recruiting a more representative police force should become a priority. Ferguson is 80% African-American yet the majority of law enforcement officers are white. This problem was bound to happen.

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I've not encountered black racists here on JT, while white supremacists are a stable. White supremacy is endemic in the United States. Every major African American writer and intellectual points this out.

Black racists are equally as bad. There is NO distinction between the two. They are both haters. Let me guess, you wouldn't call Rev. Wright a racist? Of course he is and the bad thing is, he uses the church to hide behind his racism.

A person can't dehumanize themselves. That's simply more of your complete lack of basic understanding.

In your eyes perhaps, but generally speaking in the publics eyes he did.

Whites in the U.S. want non-whites under firm, predictable control.

I love how you throw every White person in that statement. Who is the racist?

Dead or in prison if need be, but under control. Canfield Drive belongs mainly to the people who live there. Brown, Johnson and many others probably walked in the street hundreds of times. No, but this white cop was going to show them who was boss. He showed them alright.

That is just outright looney.

All of this simply because the officer couldn't use a little bit of courtesy, but disrespect and profanity. From the police department's perspective, was this all worth it? Meanness, profanity, and then trying to manhandle the young man when he mouthed off back.

You are NOT a police officer, you can't possibly understand what they go through on a daily basis. Now apply that to the thugs they have to deal with on a daily basis. Nice, OMG. No, I'm a cop and if I tell you disperse, leave or either I charge you...example. The cop doesn't owe you anything. You act decent and the cop will act decent. Either way, you're not going to win going against a cop.

You seem to have this long and lingering obsession with what other people think, and are under the delusion that I care. If you were reasonable or intelligent you'd know that most reasonable, intelligent people don't side on an issue based on personalities or debating styles.

ROFLMAO!

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@Samwatters, some departments like Albuquerque Police Department have used lapel cameras, but the sight of a large team of public employees using a mix of department-issued and private weapons to shoot and kill a lone homeless and mentally ill man about half a year ago in that city resulted in such an outcry from the public--regular protests and a near citizens arrest of the police chief of New Mexico state's largest city--that mysteriously lapel video was no longer made public for more recent shootings.

Considering that Albuquerque in recent years has had to make multi-million dollar payouts to the families of many of the police shooting victims who sue the city, I'd imagine that much smaller and poorer Ferguson is in trouble because of their poor record of wrongfully detaining and beating individuals simply because some part of their name matched an arrest warrant. Will the funding/insurance/staffing for a Ferguson police force even exist by next year?

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@TorafusuTorasan. Thanks for the info about N.M. Very interesting. I think cameras would work if they were made mandatory across the nation and penalties for turning them off were swift and severe. I usually side with the police; their jobs are hard and dangerous but the bad apples do need to be weeded out.

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but not so many about the facts. People are killed by police every day in America, the reason THIS time exploded in protest is because it was done in a residential area in broad daylight and the body was left lying in the street for HOURS like roadkill.

True. There were at least 3-4 independent witnesses to the actual shooting.

You are NOT a police officer, you can't possibly understand what they go through on a daily basis.

There is no excuse for a person in authority to initiate contact with a citizen who is in the act of a (technical) minor misdemeanor with verbal and physical abuse. If police officers are stressed, being verbally and physically abusive is only going to greatly increase their stress.

How much cost is going to be involved in cleaning up this mess? And all because the officer didn't even try to show a little basic respect and courtesy on his initial contact. Something that comes for absolutely free and tremendously raises the odds that this incident would never have happened.

Whites in the U.S. want non-whites under firm, predictable control. Dead or in prison if need be, but under control.

If I could re-write this line, it would not infer all white people. But certainly, all whites in America are a responsible party in the system that abuses and kills non-white Americans. The current system is simply a continuation of what existed before. It's why more black Americans are in prison or on parole than were slaves. What has happened in Ferguson is simply the most overt and blatant tip of a very large iceberg.

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How much cost is going to be involved in cleaning up this mess? And all because the officer didn't even try to show a little basic respect and courtesy on his initial contact. Something that comes for absolutely free and tremendously raises the odds that this incident would never have happened.

No one told the people and the hooligans to riot, destroy shops and buildings, this is the thing that many Blacks have done so many times when things don't go their way. It solves nothing. They are just hurting themselves.

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U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder sought Wednesday to reassure the people of Ferguson about the investigation into the shooting death of a black 18-year-old by a white police officer and said he understands why many black Americans do not trust police

I am not up on Missouri law, but certain recent articles have brought out key points. Thanks to Jim Crow era laws still in effect, it will be next to impossible for a police officer in Missouri to be convicted for murdering a citizen, no matter how compelling the evidence. Holder and African-American community leaders would be well-advised to educate people about this. The folks in the streets promising justice if they just follow the system are not yet aware of how the system is completely rigged against them, and completely in favor of the man who murdered Micheal Brown in broad daylight.

Normally, we think of a system of justice -- that of most states -- where first it would be established that the officer killed the victim. There's not much doubt there. Then, the accused must provide evidence that the killing was justified. As a rule, homicide is a crime, and justification is reserved for extraordinary cases. Once the state proves that a defendant did in fact kill someone, it is normally the accused's obligation to prove his actions were justified.

But not in Missouri. As long as the slightest evidence exists to support a self-defense claim, Missouri courts must accept it. The burden is on the prosecution to disprove self-defense -- which is a near-impossible standard to overcome.

For these reasons, I am delighted that the Feds are getting involved early on. As a jaywalking suspect, for whom evidence exists of verbal and physical assault by a police officer, leading to the death of an unarmed man who was in the act of surrendering, Michael Brown was deprived of his basic civil rights -- or so the case will be made.

But this won't absolve what Missouri law has created for citizens, especially in a place like Ferguson. As Yishai Schwartz writes in the New Republic: "Society arms police officers and accords them a measure of trust and due deference. However, trust must never become a license to kill. We have a word for a situation where killing is the default, where violence is so expected that the burden is no longer on the killer to prove his actions are justified. That word is war. It has no place in suburban St. Louis."

But war -- low level at present -- is definitely being exercised against the citizens by police who verbally and physically abuse them and then killing them if they resist or try to escape. And then provided with complete immunity by Missouri law. These citizens are often suspects, and are often cases of mistaken identity -- like the black man badly beaten a few years ago and then charged with bleeding on police uniforms.

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I am not up on Missouri law, but certain recent articles have brought out key points. Thanks to Jim Crow era laws still in effect, it will be next to impossible for a police officer in Missouri to be convicted for murdering a citizen, no matter how compelling the evidence. Holder and African-American community leaders would be well-advised to educate PEOPLE about this. The folks in the streets promising justice if they just follow the system are not yet aware of how the system is completely rigged against them, and completely in favor of the man who murdered Micheal Brown in broad daylight.

Sorry, you cannot convict a man, if he hasn't been tried and stood in a court of law with a jury present. Hasn't happened yet! We don't know all the details, it could have been that Brown thought he was the tougher guy, thuggin' around and acting like a fool thinking he can take on a cop, that is what got him killed, his stupidity. Everyone says he's smart, if it were that true, he wouldn't stolen anything! That's his own fault.

For these reasons, I am delighted that the Feds are getting involved early on. As a jaywalking suspect, for whom evidence exists of verbal and physical assault by a police officer, leading to the death of an unarmed man who was in the act of surrendering, Michael Brown was deprived of his basic civil rights -- or so the case will be made.

That was his own undoing, on that part, Brown has no one else to blame, but himself.

But war -- low level at present -- is definitely being exercised against the citizens by police who verbally and physically abuse them and then killing them if they resist or try to escape. And then provided with complete immunity by Missouri law. These citizens are often suspects, and are often cases of mistaken identity -- like the black man badly beaten a few years ago and then charged with bleeding on police uniforms.

Hmmm..then you should be annoyed and feel frustrated when you have race hustlers like Jackson and Sharpton riling up every one and bringing more negative slander and trying to make this kid to be a Saint, which he was NOT.

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If you were reasonable or intelligent you'd know that most reasonable, intelligent people don't side on an issue based on personalities or debating styles.

I certainly won't accept the interpretation of those I have determined to be dishonest fools.

So according to your determination, is being a “dishonest fool” a reflection of one’s personality or debating style?

Furthermore, after re-reading many of your past posts wherein your have resorted to personal attacks and name calling to demean and discredit the opinions of people that you disagree with. I am compelled to ask; is this an indication that you are neither reasonable nor intelligent?

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Interesting revelation in that the Ferguson Police have yet to issue an Incident Report on the Brown shooting. Extremely irregular for an organization that is supposedly serving the public.

Another witness came forward today to corroborate four other independent witnesses on several key points. 1) The officer was charging and firing in pursuit of Brown. 2) Roughly 25 feet separated the two when Brown turned around with his hands raised; 3) The officer kept firing, hitting Brown several times. Brown is going down and is leaning forward as a result of being hit (some say he appears to stumble); 4) The officer has been closing in and delivers two final shots to the head.

The Tiffany Mitchell video shows Wilson pacing around the dead body of the man he murdered with no apparent injury, and certainly no bleeding.

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The entire aggression was from Brown and Brown is dead because of Brown. The Black grievance industry is out in force to get whatever they can to milk the system. There were too many pre-determined and people that already had in their minds that the officer was guilty

Now the real facts are coming out and that Brown Bum rushed the officer and confronted and taunted the officer, and under penalty of perjury a lot of people have been changing their stories. We know now the officer POSSIBLY sustained orbital eye socket fracture in his eye. We know that he charged officer Wilson and all the shots were according to Dr. Baden were to the front of the body.

That would then explain the scenario why the officer could have felt that his life was in eminent danger such that after the altercation that he knew that if Brown charges him that it's possible that he would not survive another attack, so he made a decision to stop him, shooting the victim, the first 4 shots hitting him, but not stopping him and the final 2 head shots are what brought him down. Is that what happened, we don't know, but it would seem consistent with if you look at the facts, take the emotion out of it and look at Officers injuries. That's what it looks like so far, I could be wrong, but I will bet my last dollar that is pretty much what happened .

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