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adaydream
Lieberman can call himself anything he wants, but if it walks like a republican....
The senate bill may have to take a lesser road to the finish line, but it can get there. < :-)
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Sarge
I don't get it. Don't the Democrats have a majority in the Senate?
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skipthesong
Lieberman can call himself anything he wants, but if it walks like a republican..." Well, they did really stab him in the back!
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Badsey
I like the idea of comparitive shopping and believe this will foster competition and lower costs.
Few Doctors take Medicare/Medicade patients = even if the program is expanded you wouldn't be able to get the care = they don't want you.
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adaydream
skipthesong, who stabbed who. Just asking? < :-)
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Beelzebub
Connecticut is the "Insurance State" and Lieberman is the insurance industry's running dog. The sole silver lining to Gore's defeat in 2000 was that this scalawag did not become VP.
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skipthesong
aday: The dems tried to put another person in his place which is what caused him to run as an indy and in which he won.
I told you, there is more politics to this bill than anything.
Anyway, I just learned how I can really cash in on this health care...... Now, I hope it goes through. Badsey: Just FYI, there are rumors that is that Medicaid may be used in Mexico.
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zurcronium
wrong as usual skip the song, liberman's iraq war mongering was the source of him being rejected by democrats in his state. Obama offered an olive branch when he took over and now this is how liberman repays him and the democratic party.
Reid should put the bill up for a vote in the senate and let liberman and the just say no republicans fillibuster the bill. That would be great for the democractic party and would insure a stronger majority for them in the next election cycle. Please, please let the republicans block health reform in the Senate. Bring back Newt to help since he was so good at shutting the government down in this time.
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adaydream
I can almost hear Graham saying, "Die baby die." < :-)
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lostrune2
Sarge,
A filibuster can prevent a majority vote; that's why Lieberman's position is crucial.
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adaydream
skipthesong now I remember. Lieberman chanted right along with the republicans for bush to continue the course. Then I was totally surprised when the democrats didn't take him out back and beat him like a red headed step-child.
Graham wouldn't be calling for the death of the bill, but the death of children who don't have health insurance. He could care less about the health of the citizens, but the health of his campaign chest. < :-)
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skipthesong
I would like to know both sides thoughts. Why do you think this is the best thing since Rum? And for those against it, why do you think its a bad thing? Its obvious this thing is going to pass, eventually unless a third party starts gaining power soon. So, we are stuck with it. I'm gonna go for the public option for my staff back in the US for sure. Its already too high and since I have no doubt us who live outside the US are most likely going to have to pay into it as well as for our kids - even if we have Japanese insurance.. mark my words...
don't know why they can't do this is in sections.
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moonbeams
This is depressing. It just shows how deeply the private insurance companies have their hands in the Senator's wallets.
Very sad that these selfish Senators would prevent millions of people from getting the public option they want just to keep profits to the companies that support them.
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Noliving
That is actually not why or was the source of him being rejected. I suggest that you research the 2006 primary.
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pointofview
Wow! endless debating about whether people should have healthcare or not. Sounds like a no brainer. How many have suffered or died or required medical attention during this ridiculous debate? The citizens of all countries should be demanding more from their politicians. Afterall, they are supposed to be working for you.
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skipthesong
another brighter point for those against this. Finally, I will be able to tell you not to smoke, quit eating the amount of meat that you already do, limit your drinking, close down Dunkin Donuts, Mac, and limit the amount of sugar allowed in offices for coffee... Because now, it IS my business..... this is great. I can't stand smoking, drinking and fat! If you are fat, I now have the right to demand you go to the gym.
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Badsey
Many of the American Doctors are moving to Mexico because you are actually more profitable there -far less liability insurance, no paperwork, less costs, etc. =Many Americans goto Mexico for drugs and healthcare already and the Drs are following suit.
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presto345
This is darn depressing indeed. How can a nation that in the 21st century still has no proper health insurance for the people claim to be a developed nation?
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Sarge
"How can a nation that in the 21st century still has no proper health insurance for the people claim to be a developed nation?"
Most Americans have adequate health insurance. Those who don't either elect not to enroll in health insurance or will still receive adequate medical care in an emergency. No one is turned away at American hospitals, unlike in some countries with socialized health care, like Japan, for example.
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presto345
Most is not good enough.
Utter BS and you know it.
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Sarge
"Utter BS and you know it."
Is not, and you can't prove me wrong. If you are extremely ill or gravely injured, there is not one U.S. hospital that will refuse to treat you, whether you have insurance or not. It's the law.
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presto345
So right - and let's ignore the rest. That's how it works. Does that satisfy you, your family members with recurring 'less than extreme injuries, etc.', your aging parents, and so on? Come on, stop defending a severely flawed health care system.
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cleo
Wouldn't it be better - and ultimately cheaper - to have a system where people can get treatment before their condition reaches the 'seriously ill' stage?
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Sarge
If our health care system is so flawed, why do we have these thousands of people trying to get into our country every year?
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presto345
What are you blabbering about? What thousands? Per when? And they aren't coming for the health care system.
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Sarge
Cleo, the best preventative medical care won't prevent a lot of serious illness. Some people are going to get seriously ill no matter how much care they've received. I know, I have first-hand experience of this.
Look, I'm not saying our health care is the best, but I certainly don't want government-run health care. The government should not be in the health care business, just like it shouldn't be in the car business.
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Sarge
"What thousands?"
Yeah, it's thousands. Every year! Check it out!
"And they aren't coming for the health care system"
Well, our "flawed" health care system certainly isn't stopping them.
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presto345
Health care business and car business. Great comparisons. You are losing it my friend.
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presto345
Absolutely not. They have no idea what they are getting into. How fu .. ., uhh, flawed the system really is.
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USAFdude
Check it out where?!
This statement begs a question: Exactly what DO you want our government to do, if not govern? Seems to me like governing is our elected leaders' job...
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cleo
Then again, a bit of basic preventative care can prevent a lot of serious illness. Are you seriously suggesting that it's OK for a parent not to be able to afford to have a doctor look at a child with a fever and a cough, because the kid can get free care in the ER when his sore throat develops into full-blown acute pneumonia?
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skipthesong
presto: sarge is right! A Hospital can not turn you away at the emergency room. they can refuse you certain care, if you are not covered but that is more to do with you suing them should they fail to heal you or make a mistake, thus the call for tort reform but they will still be able to do that even in many countries with national health care.... And Japan does do that.
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Badsey
A hospital can turn away non-emergency care and direct you to a walk-clinic (they charge even if no insurance). If the walk-in clinics are closed (8pm-->8am etc) the emergency room must take you = You never want to get hurt when the clinics are closed in a poor part of a big city because the emergency area is jammed with people that don't have insurance and expect free medical care.
Michelle Obama worked on directing patients away from the university hospital emergency to the city hospitals.
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hworta269
Well they could cover all the Americans that dont have insurance for a hell of a lot less then a few trillion dollars bankrupting America in the process. Socialized medicine is about keeping socialists in power not covering people. Under this plan more Americans will be denied coverage then dont have it and want it now and everyone will have to pay upwards of an extra 7G's a year for their premiums or if they dont buy coverage they will go to jail. Thats a little odd. The government enforces senile regulations that drive up health care costs and this plan will drive up private insurance costs even more. They are going to fund it by cutting medicare which is a system people have paid in to their entire lives and charge healthy people more for health care to pay for the sick people. This bill also penalizes states that have enacted tort reform in a blatant payoff to the trial lawyers that help gets these wackos elected. To boot this bill does not force people to prove they are citizens to receive health care from the government yet strangely exempted non citizens from having to pay anything for the whole damned plan.
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