In Poland, survivors mark Auschwitz anniversary
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illsayit
What I find interesting about how this article is written is; It drew my attention because one of my grandfathers was in Auschwitz, he has passed away though. My grandmother is German. I read these annual memorials often, and being Australian I find they are just that an annual memoir. I can sympathise with Iran in how the Isralites try to make a big deal about some deaths that happened a long time ago. In and around Iran the turmoil and consistent high death toll, ought to be remembered too. The Israelites want memory for Jews, and they cant even seem to remember last years deaths. Very confusing. However what becomes more confusing is when the Iraelites are talking about rememberance, and the Iran people's talk of a Zion-which to me seems like their Sharia law.So in a way this article I read with interest that it is the Iranians who are saying destruction shall come to themselves, and that the Israelites will always pay respect and homage to the rememberance of the dead. So in effect the newborn language was necessary for the Jews to survive, and have survived, again. It had to be lost to be found. It's the first time I have passed this annual memoir wih a memory. Shall we all remember those who have suffered.
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geronimo2006
Auschwitz will always be remembered as a place where unspeakably horrendous atrocities took place. And there were others..Treblinka, Belzec. But can anyone name a single Soviet camp. No? Well, that's because they were on the winning allied side. They existed well before and after the Nazi camps and their crimes in terms of scale dwarfed the Nazis. Yes, a deal was made and the murderers walk free even today. So much for real justice for all. The only mention of the Soviets in the article is they liberated the camps - and not they continued operating very similar camps. I recommend a good movie called The Soviet Story to get a bigger picture.
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sabiwabi
Indeed, the concentration camps will always be remembered as places where unspeakable horrors took place. Its a shame that many people who have committed crimes against humanity have yet to be brought to justice. Poland has at least twice demanded the extradition of Solomon Morel, alleged to have committed crimes against humanity as the head of a labor camp, but it seems that some nations are immune to extradition. Peres should and can do something about this.
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sabiwabi
Ynet News reported: "Peres in Berlin, Netanyahu in Auschwitz, Lieberman in Budapest and Edelstein at UN headquarters in New York all plan attack UN report [Goldstone Report, which accused Israel of committing war crimes] into Gaza war on International Holocaust Day." Its clear that Israel continues to milk the memory of the holocaust for political gain.
Gilad Atzmon says it well: "if the holocaust has any universal and ethical meaning, stopping the ‘Jews only state’ and bringing its criminal political and military leaders to justice is the true interpretation of the lesson of the Holocaust."
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kinniku
Like what exactly? Bring Morel back from the dead?
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kinniku
is a nut who seems to not only hate Israel, but leaves lots of room for hating Judaism. I doubt he is the person to whom to look for any lessons about the holocaust.
I do think it is sad that some cannot allow others to mark a solemn anniverary. If you are not interested, please ignore it. However, there is nothing wrong with remembering the past and attempting to learn from it.
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southsakai
Thank you for that, I will watch it. I am very grateful for what we have today. Our freedom and way of life. Millions had to die for the way of life and the freedom we have now. It's a shame that many countries still in this modern day have no freedom and people are oppressed. Human beings are the vilest and most evil of living things.
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Helter_Skelter
Hehe. Sabi using quotes from a British clarinet player for his political analysis.
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sabiwabi
That was exactly my point. Peres in Berlin, Netanyahu in Auschwitz, Lieberman in Budapest and Edelstein at UN headquarters in New York took advantage of this solemn anniversary to forward their own agenda. But I know you'll keep on defending them and criticize anyone who "hates Israel".
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Helter_Skelter
Sabi, over a million people were murdered in the Auschwitz concentration camp. Either show some respect or find somewhere else to push your political conspiracy agendas.
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goddog
Long live the Jews and the state of Israel.
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kinniku
As I said, I do think it is sad that some cannot allow others to mark a solemn anniverary. If you are not interested, please ignore it. However, there is nothing wrong with remembering the past and attempting to learn from it.
In short, this is not really the place for your whining about Israel. What you are doing is exactly what I think is sad. The people you named are not preventing or criticizing the marking of this solemn anniversary. You seem to be. I find that sad.
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sabiwabi
As I said, that is exactly the point I have been making. Peres, Netanyahu, Lieberman, and Edelstein are abusing this solemn anniversary to further their agenda. Its a shame that some must resort to pretending to be saddened by someone pointing this out, rather than feel anger at the leaders for abusing this day.
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Helter_Skelter
How completely appropriate Netanyahu makes reference to Ahmadinajad. One cannot have a remembrance of the Holocaust without being reminded of the huge role Muslims played in their collaboration with the Nazis. The leader of "Palestinian" nationalism Amin Al-Husseini met with Hitler and his henchmen multiple times in order to expedite the extermination of the Jews. Hitler had his own Muslim Waffen SS divisions. It's important that world leaders speak out against Muslims who seek to continue to carry out Hitler's final solution. Germany has moved on to become a friend and trading partner with Israel. Meanwhile, Mein Kampf remains a best seller the Muslim world.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
I am confused. You are on record as having said you don't believe what you refer to as 'the big lie' of the holocaust. You then proceed to complain because Shimon Peres is not extraditing a dead person. Next, you then use your posts here to complain about the state of Israel. Again, What you are doing is exactly what I think is sad. The people you named are not preventing or criticizing the marking of this solemn anniversary. You seem to be. I find that sad. Combine that with your history of holocaust denial and it is ridiculous as well. If you are not interested in this anniversary, please ignore it. However, there is nothing wrong with remembering the past and attempting to learn from it.
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sabiwabi
kinniku,
You certainly are. You still don't (or pretend not to) get my point. Please stick to express your own opinions instead of distorting mine.
Very true.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
It certainly is not my intention to 'distort' anything you have written. You have indeed written what I wrote you have. My opinion is that it is highly inappropriate to use this article to vent your hatred of Israel.
Your history of calling Auschwitz a 'theme park', of saying Hitler was probably not such a 'bad guy', of saying your still aren't sure whether the Nazis were patriots trying to 'save' their country or if their were really Zionists (interestingly and sadly you never attempt to consider they were a racist regime and that there was no Zionist conspiracy whatsoever), of falsely claiming top Nazis were Jewish, and of falsely claiming that the Nazis did not kill anyone by gassing are what make your comments here all the more sad.
I've read this article several times. Netanyahu does not specifically mention Iran here. The author thinks he is alluding to it and maybe he is. However, Netanyahu focused on the suffering of the inmates. You, on the other hand, focus on Israel. Yes, I am confused, because as I wrote your whining about Israel has no place in this conversation. Considering your false and constantly unprovably wild claims about your version of the Nazis and what you constantly falsely claim did not happen in Auschwitz, it is hard not to be confused about your posts here.
In short, your constant point merely seems to be to promote your silly conspiracies. Again, IMHO, this is not the conversation for that.
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