Muslims condemn Mumbai attacks, worry about image

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smithinjapan at 03:15 PM JST - 2nd December

WilliB: "So why does this article get the headline "muslims condemn the attack"? Of it is the fundamentalists who do this, and the fundamentalists who we should worry about. Not the passive followers."

The article is here to show people like you who won't pipe down your calls for, "So where are the Muslims who condemn this attack, huh?!?" that there are indeed Muslims who care and who are horrified by what happened. If this article weren't posted you guys would be on here STILL posting and demanding to see 'a single Muslim cleric who condemns the attacks'.

These are not your words directly, but the same tone as when you demanded I show you a group of terrorists that were not Islamic, and I gave you 10 off the top of my head (to which you disappeared, of course).

"This is an islamic problem, not a Buddhist or Catholic problem. And islam has to held accountable for solving it. "

If it's an 'Islamic problem' ONLY then it has nothing to do with you at all, now does it, and you can simply stop posting and having opinions on the matter. Fortunately, as a human being in the world in which terrorism exists, the problem of terrorists is a problem for us all, and not limited to an entire belief system of which there terrorists were not even a miniscule fraction.

TooLongGone: "It's all in their holy book. Have you read it? I am positive you haven't. You don't know what you write about."

Hahaha! This coming from a guy who cries out for proof that 'a single Mohammedan cleric' condemns the attacks, and when he gets proof of world-wide condemnation by Muslims simply grumbles and says, "Oh, well... shucks... them's just words! Not actions!"

Evidently I know a whole lot more both of what I write and what others write than you do. That's been proven EVERY single thread in the past week and you simply can't come back and answer it, changing the target of your attacks until you get shot down again.

Don't tell me I have to prove it further by also educating you as to what 'radical' means, and by implication how you can apply it to pretty much any group good or bad that wants great political/social change and 'the return to the aims of the movement', for you have no idea what the 'original' aims of the movement were. I profess I have not read the ENTIRE Koran, but I've read enough of an English version of it to know that these radicals have indeed twisted the teachings into their own political and social agenda, and that that does not apply at all to the entire Muslim world any more than I can take passages from the bible (particularly the old testament) and say that all Christians are freaks for wanting to 'cleanse the world of heathens, starting with their neighbours', 'by the sword' and all that crap. Instead, I correctly choose to condemn those who take such crap and use it to murder others, as they have in the past on a scale of millions and millions.
WilliB at 03:50 PM JST - 2nd December

smithinjapan:

" here are indeed Muslims who care and who are horrified by what happened. "

Sure there are. Never said otherwise. But they are not very strict muslims, because they disregard the koranic obligation to fight the unbelievers.

And I don´t see how they stop the islamic fundamentalists. To the contrary, by blanking out islam as the cause of islamic terrorism they help them.
flyingfish at 04:10 PM JST - 2nd December

muslims worry about image

bit late in the day for that some might say
Nessie at 04:58 PM JST - 2nd December

Why kill in the name of God? Honestly,if God is so powerful and all knowing let God do it for his/her self.

God appreciates a little initiative.
Helter_Skelter at 05:48 PM JST - 2nd December

smith

Not hating something is not the same as loving it

Devoting a good part of your life to defending Islam on an international forum is more than just "not hating something", my friend.
skipthesong at 06:11 PM JST - 2nd December

Devoting a good part of your life to defending Islam on an international forum is more than just "not hating something", my friend." smitty, he's got you on that one.. almost like kicking sand in your face. HS, you play hard man.
TooFarGone at 06:13 PM JST - 2nd December

smithinjapan:"Hahaha! This coming from a guy who cries out for proof that 'a single Mohammedan cleric' condemns the attacks, and when he gets proof of world-wide condemnation by Muslims simply grumbles and says, "Oh, well... shucks... them's just words! Not actions!"

Worldwide condemnation, smith??

Not from Muslim clerics.

Do try and read more carefully.

And I repeat: Talk is cheap.

Where are the fatwas? Hundreds dead. Tortured. Women and children among them.

And yet the killers who survived the massacre are still safer than Salman Rushdie.

So you keep banging away, smith.
smithinjapan at 10:30 PM JST - 2nd December

skipthesong: "smitty, he's got you on that one.. almost like kicking sand in your face. HS, you play hard man."

Ummm... nope. If anything he's only proven his complete lack of credibility. I've posed specific questions to him three or four times now and he refuses to answer, simply because he cannot. So what does he say instead? Excuses like 'I don't have time to come on here and check' (except that he clearly does, or he wouldn't have time to write an answer to a question that he wouldn't have time to read!). All he can do is attempt to belittle my character because he cannot answer questions put forward to him. Fortunately, as I said, he lacks credibility, and so his posts do nothing at all but belittle himself. Hence, rather than 'kicking sand' in my eyes, he simply tripped in the sandbox and landed face first. He only 'plays hard' if playing hard involves baseless comments and not answer questions/comments that back up proofs counter to what he wants to hear. Finally, again, he only got me if what he said was true, and it was not.

Helter_Skelter: "Devoting a good part of your life to defending Islam on an international forum is more than just "not hating something", my friend."

Nope, sorry. I reiterate, defending something is not at all the same as loving it. Having a lot to comment on only means that there are a lot of ignorant people who think it's okay to bring about the end of an entire 1.4 billion people. Oh, and you're attempt at a dig with the 'Devoting a good part (of your life)...' was a nice attempt to avoid a couple of questions you can't answer, but that doesn't mean you can shirk your responsibility of doing. Again, though, you'll forgive me when I don't hold my breath.

TooFarGone: "And I repeat: Talk is cheap"

So stop talking and do something about it! Wow, for all the 'talk is cheap' crap you guys post in response to getting something you've been begging for, you guys sure love to come on here and be hypocrites. Go on out and join the war on terror! Pick up a gun and do what you want to do -- 'fight terror' (ie. make Islam 'disappear'). And on that note, I notice you too haven't answered my question as to what you want done with Islam since you claim it's the source of all the world's problems, and terrorism (despite me showing you otherwise with at least 10 examples two days ago). And are you going to go out and do it yourself or just sit here and 'talk' about it?
nandakandamanda at 05:34 PM JST - 3rd December

Someone must be reading this thread! Mumbai's Muslims deny the attackers a Muslim burial. "They are not Muslims..."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2008/12/2008123440767485.html
smithinjapan at 06:28 PM JST - 3rd December

nandakandamanda: Shhh!!! The people on here who want all the Muslims dead have already been proven wrong disappointed by Muslims actually expressing their anger and condemnation of the attack, they don't want to be disappointed by the ACTIONS, too! This is going to send them scurrying for more lame excuses as to why an entire belief system should be destroyed based on the actions of an extremely small number!
ScottishThug at 03:20 AM JST - 4th December

'ear me now lads, condemnation is a sign of insecurity.
nandakandamanda at 02:26 PM JST - 4th December

No, I think this IS newsworthy, simply because it is so rare to see this sentiment in the world's mainstream press.
ESJ8341 at 02:11 AM JST - 6th December

Title and Contents of article at odds. The title implies Muslims worldwide condem the terrorist attack in Mumbai.

The article ends quoting a Muslim columnist observing that there is no popular condemnation of terrorism in the Muslim communities.

The earlier Muslims speaking against the violence were all inferably speaking to the WESTERN PRESS. If the condemnation appeared in the Muslim Press or was made by a Muslim cleric then the whole Muslims world wide condemn the violence claim would be closer to being established.
kenjinakasone at 01:38 PM JST - 6th December

'worry about image'. lol. i had to laugh really hard at that one. there isn't any, unfortunately for them. but it's not entirely their fault either. when your lands are directly attacked and occupied, what else would they do? don't worry, the Babylonian Empire was once almighty. look at it now. does that ring a bell for somebody else?
WilliB at 10:27 AM JST - 8th December

Smithjapan:

" I profess I have not read the ENTIRE Koran, but I've read enough of an English version of it to know that these radicals have indeed twisted the teachings into their own political and social agenda, "

Oh really? And how do you know that? The call to hate and kill the kuffars (us) is entirely supported by Koranic verses, as well the Sunnah. If you indeed had done your homework, you´d know that.

" and that that does not apply at all to the entire Muslim world any more than I can take passages from the bible (particularly the old testament) and say that all Christians are freaks for wanting to 'cleanse the world of heathens, starting with their neighbours', 'by the sword' and all that crap. "

Newsflash for you: The Old Testament precedes Christianity, so whatever stories are told there are not normative for Christians.

Islam on the other hand is stuck with the doctrine that Mohammed was the perfect man and his behaviour was normative. And as long as that doctrine stands, there will be islamic terrorists.