Indiana teen charged with strangling brother, 10
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numbskull
Since the this does not state that the boy touched sexually, I don't expect this article will generate much anger or responses.
I will not suggest anything extreme except life either behind bars or in an institution. But I suspect some people will say I am extreme in that because, after all, the boy is just dead and nothing else.
Poor kid is going to be in a box buried underground and they won't even let him out on weekends! All because his brother is one evil SOB. I guess it could be worse for the dead 10 year old. Or could it?
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Molenir
Personally, I think the idea that a juvenile can't get the death penalty is horrific. Crimes like this deserve the death penalty, regardless of age. Heck, the kid deserves a noose, not a needle. Very sad story.
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dolphingirl
Yikes! At least he is being charged as an adult. I always wonder how someone could become so evil. His parents obviously knew that he was destructive, to himself and possibly others. It's too bad they didn't have him committed to a mental institute before and this tragedy may have been prevented.
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borscht
The parents are going through one traumatic day, I bet. I cry for the 10-year-old and wish nothing less than life without the possibility of parole for the evil jerk. Imagine, not having even the simplest humanity to not kill your own brother.
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5SpeedRacer5
"Yikes! At least he is being charged as an adult. I always wonder how someone could become so evil."
One word: Dexter.
I am sure people have seen this. I have never ever seen a show glorify murder like this show does. Prime time TV in the US, available to any impressionable kid, and it follows the life of a serial killer. No kidding. I have never played a video game that is this extreme. I suppose it would be like viewing a Hannibal Lecter movie week after week. Really sick death porno with lots of blood. I think it is in its fourth season, so the elder Master Conley had a chance to view about 80 shows just egging him on to kill someone. He finally did it.
Someone will jump on and say, "Oh no. You can't blame it on a TV show!" Oh sure. I agree. People have free will. But I just dare you to watch five shows and imagine what effect they would have on a pubescent teenage boy. Then imagine about 20 pubescent teenage girls saying "Oh, I think Dexter is so sexy." Let your imagination run wild and see where it leads you. Death for kicks. Death for chicks.
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Good_Jorb
Then imagine that after four seasons of air time only one 17 year old was possibly influenced enough by the show to act on those influences, quite a correlation.
When the parents had to removed him school and he started cutting himself, a red flag should have been raised, his lack of remorse shows he is a psychopath and he probably had latent psychopathic tendencys. This kid needed to be assessed by mental health partitioner and placed in a psychiatric unit until he was no longer a danger to himself or anyone else, if that happened to be his life then so be it. To say he is just evil and evil child, instead of a kid with serious mental issues that might have been able to be helped, leaves the door open for others to be just be evil, instead of seeking proper treatment or confinement for them.
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WilliB
Murdering his own brother?? I thought even the most violent humans were hard-wired not to be able to do that.
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OneForAll
Very sad. Evil child? Oxymoron. Numbskull sounds like it is a late abortion. Still sad. We have to really look to the heavens and know all is well. Hopefully the child picks this up. Evil child? No never. We must all pray.
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adaydream
This is a terrible shame. I can't imagine the horror these parents are feeling. < :-)
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Triumvere
Really? I mean, really?
All right, sir. I'll play your game. "Oh no. You can't blame it on a TV show!" I'll throw in violent video games, and action movies as well. (Frankly, I'm surprised you missed the chance to expound on the satanic influences of Dungeons and Dragons.) Literally millions of Americans kids are playing/watching these as we speak, and will proceed not to murder their siblings after they finish. Sorry, the kid was messed up, and it wasn't Dexter that did it.
Dexter is a pretty good show, for those who haven't seen it. Definately a mature one, however.
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Triumvere
Also, Showtime is a pay channel, not network or basic cable. Such channels regularly feature adult content. It goes with out saying that this is a matter for parental discretion.
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tenguleavings
Anyone who's actually seen even one episode could tell you that it's not a simple glorification of murder. The whole point is that Dexter has a need to kill but only murders criminals. And of course, a teen might gravitate toward the surface details of a guy killing others and ignore anything else, but if what you're saying had any merit at all, there'd be a million of these cases sweeping the nation. The fact is that millions of people of all ages watch this and many other TV shows and movies and yet still somehow manage to not kill anyone else. Besides, I haven't seen the fourth season yet, but I can't think of single instance in which Dexter strangles a person. It's a convenient excuse given by a teenage killer, and people such as yourself can't wait to let him off the hook for his own actions by buying into the idiotic idea that a TV show "made" him do it.
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zurcronium
parents lose two kids in one day. sad.
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usaexpat
Wow this is absolutely devastating for the parents. This kid defintely has a screw loose and is dangerous. tenguleavings: Right on the money "the show" did not make this kid a cold blooded killer.
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numbskull
What? No calls for gruesome punishment? Not even a scream for him to swing? Oh yeah, I forgot! The boy was not touched sexually, merely killed. And one as we know is soooo much more despicable than the other. I am sure the boy will get over being dead in no time!
I remain in awe that this article has received less than 20 replies and everyone is calm, cool and collected about this. Had there been any sex involved but the boy alive, there would have been quadruple the replies. I find that bizarre.
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5SpeedRacer5
To those defending the TV show. Oh. It is a cable show. Well. I knew that. Does anyone even know someone who watches TV but does not have cable? I sure don't. Why is Dexter NOT a network show? Because it is too violent and disturbing. Which really supports my point.
Tell you what. I will just leave it out there. Defend your sick show. I am a big fan of artistic freedom, but I do know that art has always inspired people... especially impressionable ones. Just keep saying that "I will believe it when a million people start doing it." People have been saying that for decades now. You can lump that logic in with: "Porn is not associated with misogyny or rape." and "Child porn is not associated with child molestation." and "Guns do not kill people; people kill people." and now "Relishing murder does not encourage murder." Even if the murderer says so.
Enjoy your splatter-porn show everyone. Write a letter to the boy's mother and tell her the good points of the show. She will appreciate it.
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5SpeedRacer5
"Besides, I haven't seen the fourth season yet, but I can't think of single instance in which Dexter strangles a person"
Not.... even... one?? You know, you might not be thinking very hard. I am not a Dexter expert, but I have seen a few episodes. If I am not mistaken, the VERY FIRST person that Dexter kills in the VERY FIRST episode of season one is strangled by Dexter. Do I have that right? He garrottes some guy in a Ford Taurus in the first 10 minutes of the show. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. No. I am not wrong.
Also, Dexter strangles Trinity and Dr. Meridian and strangles Doakes in season two episode 9. He strangles Nathan. He strangles Miguel Prado. And I think that there are two or three others. hmmm.
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numbskull
5SpeedRacer5, your association list is a bit off. Of course there is an association! What people deny is a hard and fast connection and direct links that lead to action even a significant minority of the time. Extremely few people kill because of a TV show. In fact, it seems people murder less since TV came along! Misogyny pre-dates porn, and child molestation pre-dates child porn, and killing pre-dates guns and none of those were in short supply at any time even before the Rennaisance.
I firmly believe that viewing such material satifies people more than encourages. Nuts are nuts and something will set them off regardless. It is up to parents to recognize when their kids are nuts and keep them away from things that will set them off. But if you ask me, even a 13 year old is no kid. By 17, the die is firmly set. A parent should know where his tendencies lie by that time. By one's teens, if a person cannot separate reality from TV, and seeks to act out extreme things seen on the TV, they have problems totally unrelated to TV. Disney channel 24/7 might prevent bad thoughts, but you will have to lock him up to do that.
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bisoy
"Tell you what. I will just leave it out there. Defend your sick show. I am a big fan of artistic freedom,"
I also felt the same when I watched the first series of season 1. But my opinion was changed after I finished 2 seasons and looking forward to watch the 3rd when they move it to the "old-DVD" shelf coz unlike Jack Bawer's "24" i'm not really a fan of Dexter.
This movie is telling us what's going on in a criminal's mind. Know your enemies and you'll be safe.
The parents would have already noticed their childs strange behavior but did nothing... Well, isn't that most parents do?
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moonbeams
Most mentally sound people would read this article, feel bad for everyone and some would say a prayer for the people hurt. It's not something to stir up drama over.
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5SpeedRacer5
"What people deny is a hard and fast connection and direct links that lead to action even a significant minority of the time. Extremely few people kill because of a TV show."
You are right. I think we should wait until we have a hard and fast connection. Like with smoking. By waiting until all the evidence was in, we only lost a few tens of millions to lung cancer... and counting. In the bigger scheme of things, those tens of millions are "extremely few" victims. I agree. I wonder if Conner Conley would agree. But if these shows are safe, how come they have warning labels? --viewer discretion is advised--
Bisoy. It is just my opinion, but "telling us what is going on in a criminal's mind" is not child entertainment. If we show children educational programs on the premise that we want to give them information and educate them and give them useful and responsible role models, then why do we turn around and say that showing them murderous thoughts, murderous intentions, murderous execution, and glorious blood in technicolor is NO PROBLEMMO!!?
If a tree grows as it is bent, then educational programming and splatter-porn can share responsibility for bending children, for better or worse.
Moonbeams..."Most mentally sound people would read this article, feel bad for everyone and some would say a prayer for the people hurt."
I wonder. A mentally sound person might spend some time wondering what is going on. I would hope that people would show some curiosity and concern rather than merely appealing to a divine being. If this is not worth some drama and angst, what is?
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numbskull
Not like with smoking. Apples and oranges. The link has been established, and its not smoking. Its the poisons they put in tobacco!
That is a far cry from you seem to want --this show might make the viewer want to kill--
Dude, nothing is safe. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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OneForAll
I was quite devastated last night on reading this. I will say that the media has a moral responsibility towards the civil society. It is evident that there is a connection between what was presented on TV and what this 17 year old did. I am glad I've never seen this show. In fact, when I was in America I got cable TV (wish I could have picked the channels because I would not have supported a few) because what came over the airways in no way reflected the values I want to install into my children. I think even Clinton said " just turn it off ".
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tenguleavings
http://dexterwiki.sho.com/page/Episode+1:+Dexter
Guess what? You're wrong, but then again you're used to that. It has been awhile since I've seen that first episode. Besides, the individual methods are irrelevant. The larger point is that a cable TV show is not the reason for this killing, period, no matter how loud and long you bray. Season two, episode 9? The Trinity killer? (fourth season; haven't seen it yet, as I said) Pretty specific info for someone who claims to be a casual fan. So fess up--what's your body count up to?
We'll leave you to huddle in fear over the fact that there is a wiki devoted to Dexter. Any second now, some impressionable Dexter fan is sure to burst into your home and murder (strangle? stab? does it matter?) you. Then again, you seem to be quite the fan yourself.
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Triumvere
This biggest issue with 5SpeedRacer5's argument is that he seems to believe that taking away specific triggers (violent tv, etc...) is somehow going to prevent crazy people from doing crazy things. If the kid is psychotic then something bad is eventually going to happen; it just would have happened at a different time or in a different manner.
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