Iran says U.S., Israel would be crazy to attack

Thursday 03rd July, 07:12 AM JST

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sailwind at 11:03 PM JST - 3rd July

Brilliant post Sezwho

And it causes me less concern than the fact that the good old US of A provides David Duke a safe haven for his hatred. Free speech here--protected speech there.

David Duke is protected there as long as his speech supports the regime line. Wonder how long this racist bastard would be able to yap in Iran if he told Ahmadinejad to pound sand?

I'm thinking not much, your view?
nethanyahubush at 01:21 AM JST - 4th July

So your rebuttal is that he didn't use the word "map"? Your free to feel that way, but you need to take it up with the butthats in Iran, that work for the OFFICIAL Iranian government, that did the translation.

Actually if you knew Farsi you would know that this was a speech called a World Without Zionism. Not Judaism or for that matter Fascism. He was expecting hope that the criminal apartheid regime in Jerusalem would come to an end. His opinions are alligned with South African anti apartheid activists unlike USA.
Helter_Skelter at 03:31 AM JST - 4th July

Ahmadinejad said. He hoped The Zionist regime occupying Jerusalem would vanish from the page of time.

Oh, that's much better. LOL!
Helter_Skelter at 04:11 AM JST - 4th July

SezWho2

Free speech here--protected speech there.

This isn't about free speech. It's about the president of a nation inviting a neo-Nazi to participate in a state-sponsored holocaust-denial conference. Would you be so cavalier if Bush had done it? Geez, what won't you excuse in your disdain for America?
Loki520 at 08:21 AM JST - 4th July

Net... I don't need to know Farsi... Translations are are provided by the Iran State Owned media... and THEY are the one's that initially stated "map".

And very NICE avoidance of the ballistic missles with the direct translation that includes UPROOTED and ERASED from history. So.. to paraphrase you... "If you knew English..." you would know that things such as the slogans on those missiles as well as other things PROVE that the "map" comment, mistranslated or not, was NOT false.

"Criminal apartheid regime" in Jerusalem? Please inform me of which legitimate court they've been convicted for you to call them CRIMINAL.

Be careful... your hate is showing.

Irrelevant twisting of words in 3....2.....1.....
LFRAgain at 11:13 AM JST - 4th July

SezWho,

The president of any state publicly declaring that s/he would like to see another state "wiped off the map," "erased from existence," "purged from the pages of time," or whatever clever euphemism one might want to dress it up in, kind of, sort of, no, no . . . does imply state policy. If it's not policy, then Ahmadinejad shouldn't be saying as such. His "World Without Zionism" speech is pretty clear in its message, namely a better world without Zionism, e.g., the Israeli state.

Simply saying it isn't so can't erase the historical record, any more than Iran backpedalling from its official state-run media English translation of Ahmadinejad's original statement, in which the words "wipe off the map" do indeed make an appearance, makes the original meaning any less ominous or offensive.
sailwind at 05:36 PM JST - 4th July

I guess he needed to clarify his wipe off the map remark.

"Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by the official IRNA news agency.

"Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation," he said.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ix-viVGAnfS1RHJGzZHSGjnzDIXg

It doesn't get any clearer than that. Spin in 3, 2, 1.
sailwind at 06:18 PM JST - 4th July

And calling people war mongering Zionists puppets really doesn't help change peoples opinions on this issue, by the way.
LFRAgain at 09:01 PM JST - 4th July

"US in the short history of its existence has invaded just since 1945 over 2 dozen countries! Now who is a threat to peace and stability? History and statistics say it is US, Israel and not Iran."

That's incredibly selective interpretation, and I'm particularly impressed with how an example of US military campaigns automatically earns Israel the same label. Last I read, Isreal had precisely zero troops in Vietnam, Korea, or the Balkan Wars. But no need for you to worry about facts, eh? You just twist them to your own needs when and where it suits you. Convenient that.

Interestingly, you also tend to gloss over the circumstances behind most of America's military decisions over the past half-century. The Korean War? Ask the South Korean people if they're upset about United Nations intervention. Ask South Vietnamese civilians who were overrun by North Vietnamese soldiers if they were pleased to see the United Nations retreat from a losing battle. Check with any Croatian or Albanian friends you might have and see if they harbor ill-will against UN intervention in Serbia's campaign of ethnic cleansing.

See how that works? Put a little more detail into your half-baked arguments, and we get a much clearer picture. Your attempt to make the US out as the Evil Empire sort of loses its sting when confronted with the truth.
SezWho2 at 09:25 PM JST - 7th July

sailwind,

No, I don't think that Duke would last long in Iran if he said things which were anti-regime and if they were not useful to the regime. But what does that have to do with my point?
SezWho2 at 09:30 PM JST - 7th July

HelterSkelter,

No disdain for America here. Quite a bit of disdain for Bush and some disdain for Americans who hide behind patriotism in order to avoid the real problems that America is facing.

I don't think that Bush would invite Duke to a holocaust denial conference because I don't think he would even hold such a conference. But if he were to do so, I think I would observe that Bush had flip-flopped on Israel but that its not the worst thing he had ever done.

Hope this answers your question.
SezWho2 at 09:41 PM JST - 7th July

Loki520,

First off, words matter. So it does matter how you choose to translate Ahmadinejad's Farsi.

Secondly, the audience matters. If you are not of the audience which was the intended recipient of the message, you probably lack the means to interpret it.

Third, and maybe more importantly, Ahmadinejad is not the decider when it comes to state policy. He has some power, yes. That's about it.
SezWho2 at 09:51 PM JST - 7th July

sailwind,

I think we'll leave it to you to try to spin a sound bite. Unless he was speaking in English, this is a translation. Can you demonstrate that a better translation of annihilation was not extinction?

Even native speakers grab the wrong word from time to time. Some of them are presidents. So it would presumably be easier for a second language speaker to do the same.

Basically, you can't build a case on a quote whose provenance cannot be traced.
sailwind at 10:04 PM JST - 7th July

Simple Sez,

Give me one quote from this jerk that 'clarified' his remarks, since that would be so easy to do on his part.

Knock yerself on that one, ain't like he hasn't had plenty of chances to clear up his farsi to the rest of the world.
RedMeatKoolAid at 10:40 PM JST - 7th July

"Basically, you can't build a case on a quote whose provenance cannot be traced."

Brighter and brighter charades. Very impressed by the contortions, by the way your eager exoneration of a regime that is outright hostile to democratic Israel and the US (and is actively abetting Lebanon's destruction) actually takes the form of arguing for the widest possible interpretation of repeated allusions to a thermonuclear final solution for Israel, and from a puppet president who is by all accounts a fanatical devotee to a militant brand of apocalyptic Mohammedism.

The rest of us simpletons read about and see 'Death to Israel', 'Death to America' painted on the missiles the mad mullahs have paraded around Teheran and all too often jump to conclusions.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/mrl-iran.htm

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27159TheDayBeforeAhmadinejadsUSVisit-DownWithUSA(Update-ArabicReadsDeathto_USA)&only

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