Iran starts nuclear reactor; says intent peaceful
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realist
Their intents are peaceful, my a$$. I am suprised the Israelis didnt bomb this "facility" before it became operational.
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djuice
The facility is no big deal. The first load of spent fuel that doesn't get returned to Russia, and then the US is likely to bomb Iran. It's all the enrichment facilities that Iran is building that are the big problem. No way to monitor their activities, or see how far they are on making the bomb.
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MistWizard
Peaceful? Why they could roll this power plant all the way to Oklahama and cause a meltdown in the heartland while we are all snug in our beds! Bwahahaha! :P
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WilliB
Of course it is peaceful. Wiping Israel (the "dirty bacteria" according to Ahmedinejad) off the map is an entirely peaceful goal. It all depends on the definition...
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LIBERTAS
Key point here. The IAEA has accepted this deal. The US Govt. has accepted this deal. Be rational people, or is fear/warmongering just part of the game? Iran is obviously the enemy du jour.
So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".
Wise up WilliB. Perpetuating a lie doesn't change the fact that it's still a lie.
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purplefiregobi
Its kind of ironic that most of the ranting about how Iran is planing to do this and that is coming from people who belong to the only country that has actually used a nuclear weapon on another country.
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djuice
LIBERTAS...I'm sure that people far more skilled than you handled the translation for the media and the government. Word for word translation leave out the nuance and context of what was said. He may in fact, have said the equivalent of wiping Israel off the map as translated by the context, nuance, and equivalent English idiom. Your basic language skills are no match for the professionals.
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WilliB
Libertas:
That would be the same IAEA, lead by Mohammed Baradai, that has been hoodwinked about Irans and Pakistans nuclear programs for decades, right? If you give that credibility, you can believe in the Easter Bunny.
purplefire:
What really is ironic is that even Irans islamic sunni neighbours are extremely uncomfortable with a nuclear Iran. Only this time Israel, having been bashed for years in advance, will not do the dirty work for them.
djuice:
You guys pretend this was an isolated slip of the tongue. Fact is, Irans mullah government has been consistently calling for the destruction of the Jewish state on a continuous basis. There are thousands of quotes like this, and the keep coming.
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MistWizard
A lie, once born, is hard to kill. WilliB has put all his stock in that.
Interesting, that for a country with a president who has had this "wipe off the map" stuffed in his mouth, his country has attacked no one in recent memory, but has war all around it and even one of its jetliners shot down by the U.S.A., the country breathing down Iran's neck all the time. In fact, it thanks to the U.S. that Iran no longer has a democracy, suffered under the Shah, and then rose up to have the crap government it has now. But Ahmadinejad said some words, and now WilliB is mad as hell. Not even one leg to stand on I'm afraid. Complete charade.
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WilliB
mistwiz:
LOL, the Iran-funded Hamas has "attacked no one"? Well, only if you count Israel ("the dirty zionist bacteria") as "no one".
Thanks for making my point.
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MistWizard
Indeed, people more skilled than LIBERTAS as spinning did handle the translation. You know what the trouble is with LIBERTAS? He is fixated on the truth. That is why you guys don't want him at your parties.
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MistWizard
You cannot tell the difference between Iran and groups that are Iran-funded? No, thank YOU for making MY point.
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Sarge
"plans to build 10 new uranium-enrichment sites inside protected mountain strongholds"
OK.
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Madverts
Those 10 extra sites to be "peacefull" too?
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MistWizard
Hard to tell, but they will be bomb proof. I wonder why?
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Madverts
Begs the question why they need all that enriched uranium, neh?
The question is rhetorical anyway, its taken them 30 odd yrars to get this off the ground. Empty threats from a dictatorship.
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RichardPearce
There are 9 countries in the world where uranium and/or plutonium are enriched without the IAEA being able to monitor that enrichment and track where that enriched material goes.
None of them are Iran.
There are 3 basic anti-WMD treaties in the world. Iran is in compliance with all 3.
There are numerous anti-WMD agreements covering troubled regions and countries that are suspicious of each others intent towards the other, all of which contain mechanisms for each member of the agreement to monitor those they suspect might harbour hostile intent towards them to assure themselves that there is not an effort being made to develop WMDs for use in secret. Iran has proposed just such an agreement for the Middle East, which would include every country that they are suspected of trying to develop WMDs to attack.
So, what makes Iran such a country to fear? Their decision to use the strength they do have to allow them to refuse the demand by the strong that they give up their rights under international law,and their decision to support those even weaker who are facing similar demands.
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adaydream
RichardPearce what makes Iran so troubling is the conservative mentality. I've been listening to them pump up their ilk for years. They want war, some find large amounts of profit in it and they don't fight it. So they talk this rhetoric, love the tit for tat that they get the media to pick up and then intensify it every chance they get. Eventually if they are effective, they get a war like in Iraq. All built on propaganda, lies and falsified documents. < :-)
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