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Iran tests new surface-to-surface missile

World Nov. 13, 2008 - 05:51AM JST ( 24 )

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adaydreamNov. 13, 2008 - 08:04AM JST

Zoom...zoom..zoom........ < :-)
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SuperLibNov. 13, 2008 - 09:06AM JST

Score one for the radical left.
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adaydreamNov. 13, 2008 - 09:58AM JST

This does nothing to advance the agenda of the left. I get no benefit from this launch. Iran gets to be a little more equal to Isreal though. < :-)
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Helter_SkelterNov. 13, 2008 - 10:47AM JST

I get no benefit from this launch.

C'mon adaydream. We all know you want to see the completion of the final solution.
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adaydreamNov. 13, 2008 - 10:57AM JST

No, I'd rather see all weapons banned, especially nukes. But it ain't going to happen.

So since they aren't going to be banned, then why should I be another cheerleader for cotinued Isreali weapon superority? The only reason Isreal has so many is because the U. S. buys or gives them to Isreal. < :-)
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Helter_SkelterNov. 13, 2008 - 11:39AM JST

The only reason Isreal has so many is because the U. S. buys or gives them to Isreal

First of all, it was the French that helped Israel develop nuclear weapons, not the US. Secondly, Israel has had nuclear weapons for over half a century now and has never used them, despite multiple defensive wars and intifadas. So Israel has more than demonstrated itself to be responsible nuclear citizen.

And yet you criticize Israel's nuclear program, all the while encouraging Iran's nuclear program knowing Iran is governed by a fundamentalist Islamic regime that exports terrorism throughout the ME. Just be honest, what's your real motivation here? It's obviously not your stated desire to see all nukes banned.
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skipthesongNov. 13, 2008 - 11:56AM JST

This does nothing to advance the agenda of the left. I get no benefit from this launch. "

because on this issue you side with the most right of right wingers.....
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adaydreamNov. 13, 2008 - 11:56AM JST

Helter_Skelter - you claim I critisized Isreal's nuke program because I said I'd like to see them banned. What kind of criticism is that? How am I critisizing the program. I want all nuke programs banned. I've stated that 1000 times out here on JT.

The US/george bush gave Isreal $30Billion for weapons over 10 years. One poster stated we gave Palestine $500Million for humanitarian needs. (Because the money that the US gave to Isreal has been used to punish Palestine.) Got to help them a little.

Again, I'd like to see all nukes banned. < :-)
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SezWho2Nov. 13, 2008 - 12:44PM JST

If I were going to score this for the left or for the right, I'd give the point to the right. The right operates under the model that a vigorous, advantage-seeking military is necessary to ensure peace. It hardly matters which country is being vigorous or seeking advantage.
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Helter_SkelterNov. 13, 2008 - 01:04PM JST

I want all nuke programs banned.

Baloney. You've supported Iran's quest for nuclear weapons since day one.

The US/george bush gave Isreal $30Billion for weapons over 10 years

Did you know the US/george bush gave $20Billion to Egypt over 10 years which they used for weapons as well? Did you know the US gives more foreign aid money to Muslim countries than to Israel? Did you know the Muslim Arab nations are swimming in petrol dollars yet provide virtually no humanitarian aid to the "Palestinians"? Did you know the "Palestinians" have been kept in misery by their Muslim Arab brothers for decades in order to be used as propaganda tools against Israel? Did you know there are clueless first-world socialists who buy into the "Palestinian" lie, hook, line, and sinker?
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SezWho2Nov. 13, 2008 - 01:22PM JST

Helter_Skelter,

I don't really recall adaydream supporting Iran's quest for nuclear weapons. In the first place, we haven't even established that Iran has a quest for nuclear weapons. Secondly, what I recall about adaydream is support for Iran's right to nuclear technology and criticism of western attempts to deny it the same.

As far as Palestinians being kept in misery by other Arabs in order to propagandize against Israel, that is conjecture on your part, not fact. It is an arguable conjecture. But that is all it is.
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SuperLibNov. 13, 2008 - 01:35PM JST

Both daydream and SezWho support Iran getting more powerful weapons. Am I wrong in saying that?
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Helter_SkelterNov. 13, 2008 - 01:58PM JST

Sez

As far as Palestinians being kept in misery by other Arabs in order to propagandize against Israel, that is conjecture on your part, not fact. It is an arguable conjecture. But that is all it is.

Pretty equivocal response there. Sounds like you might believe it too.
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adaydreamNov. 13, 2008 - 02:39PM JST

Helter_Skelter - Let's get this correct. I've supported their right to get into nuclear power, build nuclear power plants and nuclear research.

I don't think I've advocated that Iran build nukes. I've been anti-nukes for the most part.

I can understand why Iran would want them when you understand how Isreal and the United States would like Iran taken off the face of the earth. < :-)
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SezWho2Nov. 13, 2008 - 02:42PM JST

SuperLib,

Not only are you wrong in saying that, you are also being irresponsible to say so.
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SezWho2Nov. 13, 2008 - 02:43PM JST

Helter_Skelter,

How is the response equivocal. I've said that you have given us conjecture, not proof. Did I miss the proof?
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adaydreamNov. 13, 2008 - 02:53PM JST

I support their right to. You support Isreal's right to, correct? < :-)
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Helter_SkelterNov. 13, 2008 - 03:22PM JST

How is the response equivocal.

One doesn't say "It is an arguable conjecture" if one unequivocally disagrees.

Not only are you wrong in saying that, you are also being irresponsible to say so.

Oooo.
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SuperLibNov. 13, 2008 - 05:50PM JST

heheh daydream supports Iran nuking Israel...
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SezWho2Nov. 13, 2008 - 09:56PM JST

Helter Skelter,

Forgive me. I think that is nonsense. In the first place, equivocation is not the failure to unequivocally disagree. Unequivocal disagreement is the domain of those who are not looking for agreements. Equivocation is in the domain of those who are unwilling to express their true sentiment.

Secondly, when I say that your conjecture is arguable, I mean exactly that. It is a point which can be argued. You, however, have failed to rise to the level of argumentation and have merely submitted your conjecture as fact.

And "Oooo"? Are you SuperLib in disguise? It makes no difference if you can neither prove his conjecture or refute my rejoinder.
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Helter_SkelterNov. 14, 2008 - 06:20AM JST

Unequivocal disagreement is the domain of those who are not looking for agreements. Equivocation is in the domain of those who are unwilling to express their true sentiment.

Uh, sure. You win.
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SezWho2Nov. 14, 2008 - 11:10AM JST

Helter Skelter,

Iran has the right to develop weapons. As a signatory to the NPT, it does not have the right to develop nuclear weapons. It does, however, have the right to develop nuclear technology.

There has never been anything equivocal about my opinion in this matter.
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Helter_SkelterNov. 14, 2008 - 01:41PM JST

Iran has the right to develop weapons

Agreed

it does not have the right to develop nuclear weapons

Agreed

It does, however, have the right to develop nuclear technology.

Disagree.

Islmaic nations must never be allowed to develop nuclear technology. Period.