Iran to 'blow up the heart of Israel' if attacked

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kinniku at 05:07 PM JST - 12th October

Sorry: LOL! Maybe you should stop posting so much and it would not be that way! LOL! Seriously, you don't seem to know what the words mean! LOL!
featherhead at 08:00 AM JST - 13th October

First of all, neither Israel nor the U.S. is in any position whatsoever to demand anything from Iran. They are both nuclear powers, have a long history of attacking other countries and using violence when they so desire. The list goes on. Let's just look at the title of this article and it's propagandistic implications. **Iran to 'blow up the heart of Israel' if attacked **. Now, this gives the illusion, a very common illusion in fact, that Iran is the aggressive state, regardless of the fact that they've been on the receiving end the vast majority of the time. (Orwell would have loved this blatant propaganda). Secondly, let's just switch the title a little. Let's say 'Israel to blow up the heart of Tehran if attacked'. Now, I doubt VERY seriously that this would even cause a stir at all to many of the well indoctrinated in the west. "Well of course if Iran attacked Israel they should have a right to blow them off the map". Most any elementary school child would easily observe the hypocrisy. It's just interested that so many supposedly "well-educated" westerners can't make such elementary observations. It's rather pathetic, in fact. That a country may not wish to continue to be so weak as to not leave itself open for Israeli or U.S. aggression, is, well, just appauling. Were the U.S. or Israel even remotely interested in their "security", as if THEY are the ones who need to be worried and not those subject to their aggression, they should probably grow up and start acting like countries which deserve some sort of respect. Unfortunately, they do NOT for the most part. Perhaps they can demonstrate how they are not such rogue states by, perhaps, getting rid of some, or all, of their own WMD instead of telling others they can't have them, too. As I said, most any elementary child would be perplexed at the obvious hypocrisy. That educated westeners don't seem to even understand such obvious facts is an indication of the severity of the indoctrination they are experiencing. However, it does show that both the U.S. and Israel sure are polished in propaganda.
featherhead at 08:15 AM JST - 13th October

Oh, and kinniku, you have some sort of evidence that Democracy Now is a propaganda news service? And as compared to what? FOX or something? I've never seen a line from anyone, anyone serious anyway, demonstrating this to be the case, and I've been watching and actively searching for 20+ years. It's quite interesting that when exposed to such basic and uncontroversial truths as that which DN has the audacity to present some can respond so irrationally. But it's to be expected from much of the indoctrinated public. (For a well done study demonstrating how far off some folks perceptions are from what happen in the real world, I direct everyone here to a P.I.P.A. study which had a breakdown of the top news services in the U.S. with regards to their viewers perceptions and the Iraq war (first time around). Basically, it showed that those who watched Public TV had the least misperceptions, which should be of no surprise ((even though they pale in comparison to even better services like DN or Pacifica)). And it went down the list, of course listing FOX viewers as having the most misperceptions. Now, this was of course of no surprise at all to ANYONE who's even semi-informed. But what made the study especially interesting was that it showed that of the FOX viewers, those who watch more hours per week had even worse perceptions i.e., The more FOX News you watch, the less you know.)
kinniku at 08:40 AM JST - 13th October

featherhead,

Please learn to read better. I provided the Democracy Now Scott Ritter quotes. I Like that site and think it is a good website or I would not have provided it. I was complaining about another site link posted here that is, without a doubt racist propaganda. (BTW, I do not watch the Fox New Channel, it is not available here even if a I chose to wish to watch it.) So, you should consider taking back your last post to me.

As far as earning respect and acting like grown up countries, I would suggest that Israel, the US and Iran could all benefit from your advice.

They are both nuclear powers, have a long history of attacking other countries and using violence when they so desire.

It is ineffective to lump the US and Israel together. Their situations are very different. Israel has never attacked Iran and it is Iran that has started this aggresive tone towards Israel, not the other way around. It does not matter that Israel has nuclear power. That does not prevent them from giving their opinion about a country that has acted aggresively against it.

However, it does show that both the U.S. and Israel sure are polished in propaganda.

EVERY country uses propaganda to further its own agenda. That you cannot see that Iran also does this speaks volumes to your lack of balance on the subject.
sabiwabi at 11:50 AM JST - 13th October

kinniku,

It does not matter that Israel has nuclear power.

Nuclear POWER? Now that is deserving of the "LOL" label you've been using.

That does not prevent them from giving their opinion about a country that has acted aggresively against it.

Acted aggressively against it? What has it done other than to criticize it for the decades of crimes against humanity committed against the Palestinian people.

EVERY country uses propaganda to further its own agenda. That you cannot see that Iran also does this speaks volumes to your lack of balance on the subject.

That's another "LOL" moment! It speaks volumes of your balanced view of things that are nowhere close to balanced.
kinniku at 12:21 PM JST - 13th October

Nuclear POWER? Now that is deserving of the "LOL" label you've been using.

Why? We are discussing nuclear power, aren't we? Or did you forget in the midst of your hopes and dreams for Iran to get nuclear weapons? Anyway, what I wrote still stands whether we say Israel has nuclear power or is a nuclear power.

Acted aggressively against it?

Yup. Iran's proxies in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon are certainly acts of aggression. You just like them, so it does not concern you. Apparently, neither does how much more these proxies disstabilize the Middle East even further.

What has it done other than to criticize it for the decades of crimes against humanity committed against the Palestinian people.

See above...plus, they should probably cool it with the suggestions of other countries disappearing. You see, normal people think that kind of talk is aggressive.

It speaks volumes of your balanced view of things that are nowhere close to balanced.

How so? It is a realistic viewpoint of the world. That is probably why it is so foreign and strange for you. If you do not think each country attempts to promote itself in a positive light, you are certainly not livng in reality.

You see, balanced means actually looking at both sides and commenting on both sides equally. I have done that. Unsurprisingly, you have not.
jason6 at 01:00 PM JST - 13th October

as expected, the rhetoric is heated on both sides (between Israel-Iraq AND between JT readers), but think about a (very plausible future) where Iraq's threats to "blow up the heart of Israel" are accomplishable? it's like the case of a bully who has continually threatened to shoot people at school who is able to obtain a gun.. how much can he be trusted? maybe we should do something before he does something serious.
sabiwabi at 01:50 PM JST - 13th October

Jason6, please mind your Ns and Qs. And please note that Iran only threatens to attack Israel IF it is attacked, and they are making this threat because Israel and the west haven't stopped beating their drums. Iran is not a threat to anyone if they leave it alone. And the BS about Iran attacking Israel by proxy is baseless propaganda.
nandakandamanda at 02:22 PM JST - 13th October

sabiwabi: Quote "And the BS about Iran attacking Israel by proxy is baseless propaganda."

Upon what do you base this statement?
featherhead at 10:21 PM JST - 13th October

Okay, Kinniku, perhaps I owe you an apology. So, rather than dwell on this, I'll just wait for someone to comment on the content rather than whom it may have been accidentally directed at. That now out of the way, Jason6, I have a question or two for you. Why do you assume that the bully is Iraq (though Iran is actually the focus here)? Israel has demonstrated much more aggressive behavior towards Iran, breaking U.N. resolutions time and again, and on and on....They've already demonstrated themselves to be the bully. No need to wait to see who may use power at will. I believe your analogy needs some correction. Also, I'm not really sure if your not so subtle call for "preventive war" is such a good idea. If we accept this as an option, it will pretty much allow anyone to invade anywhere and make the claim that "they thought" or had "good reason to believe" that the other country was going to do something, and so "we", whoever it happens to be, had the right to invade to stop them in advance. Basically, this means that 9-11, nor any other similar attacks could be counted as anything other that "a first strike in self-defense". However, if one of the countries were on their way to attack someone, arguments could be made that the country about to be attacked had the right to defend itself. I doubt anyone would be against this idea. So, I'd be careful about the notion which you considered as an option.
Investigator at 02:37 PM JST - 14th October

Iran’s arsenal of long-range missiles, which can be fitted with nuclear warheads and are capable of striking the Jewish state.

Tehran is equipped with Shahab-3 missiles which have a range of up to 2,000 kilometers. Israel is about 1,000 kilometers west of Iran.

Shahab 3 is a medium range missle. If they have missle capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, it is not the Shahab 3.

So what is this malarky?

If the Iranians nuked Israel, all of Iran's Muslim neighbors would quickly tear it apart. Nuclear blasts around your country are not a joke.
jason6 at 01:29 PM JST - 15th October

sabiwabi: You want Ns and Qs? How about that other quote where he says that Israel should be "wiped off the map", a statement made in 2005 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran). What is remotely defensive about that statement? Looks like you need to look past the Ns and Qs, mind the rest of the alphabet. Bullies like Iran and North Korea might eventually get their nuclear weapons regardless. Then they proceed to threaten the world with chaos if their demands aren't met.
WilliB at 06:13 PM JST - 15th October

Featherhead:

" First of all, neither Israel nor the U.S. is in any position whatsoever to demand anything from Iran. They are both nuclear powers, have a long history of attacking other countries and using violence when they so desire. "

Maybe it is time to remind you that neither Israel nor the USA violated IAE sanctions by signing the non-proliferation treaty and then lying about their nuclear bomb program.

And last time I looked neither of them declared it a national and religious obligation to obliterate another country, as did Ahmedinajad on Irans "Al Qouds day" (a national Iranian holiday dedicated to the destruction of Israel).

Enjoy your warm and fuzzy feeling about the mullah regime.
Makkun70 at 01:59 PM JST - 16th October

Fair play, I respect Iran for standing up against the underlying zionist agenda. Keep her on a steady course Capt Obama...
Makkun70 at 02:01 PM JST - 16th October

Israel maintains a doctrine of “nuclear ambiguity” and has never confirmed nor denied having its own nuclear weapons program.

This I find unacceptable..