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Iraqi city of Ramadi falls to Islamic State

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This is what happens when you invade a country and then leave when the people in your country do not like to see the returning body bags and coffins.You destroy stability in a region (do not get me wrong,Saddam,Assad and others aren't the nicest guys) and expect the new leaders that you appoint will just abide by your rules.Now,everyday dozens of innocent people die,people who have no place to go to and their only choice is to stay in a war torn country not knowing when will be their last day.When a westerner dies,the media is all over it when an Iraqi dies it's just some 2 minute news. Sad,sad,sad

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skotmanforyou

This is what happens when you invade a country and then leave when the people in your country do not like to see the returning body bags and coffins.You destroy stability in a region

Totally agree. Americans must be the dumbest super power in history.

One of history's greatest historical myths of the 20th Century was that America was a benign influence in the world and use postwar Japan and Germany as examples. Wrong on all points, they should use postwar Italy, South America or Vietnam as real examples of the US influence in the 20th Century. Germany and Japan succeeded aside of the US, rather than because of it.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing but respect for the US contribution to the defeat of Nazi Germany, but 5 years don't make a century and the world has to wake up to the very negative influence the US has had on the world as a whole.

Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria are the first examples of that negativity in the 21st Century, let's hope they are the last: I doubt it.

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The shocker is seeing the pictures and TV exaclty what these "cities" have ended up becoming. Devestation, wasteland. Poor people of Iraq (and Syria and Libya) - the spreading of freedom has made their lives a total misery.

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Classic case of blowback. America supports terrorists to try to oust Assad in Syria and these same terrorists come back and take over Iraq instead. America is its own worst enemy.

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When a westerner dies,the media is all over it when an Iraqi dies it's just some 2 minute news. Sad,sad,sad

Well, to be fair, I'm guessing a lot of people could give a number for those killed during the US invasion of Iraq, and I'm guessing less than 1% of those people would be able to venture a guess as to how many Saddam killed under his rule. It works both ways.

And if you want a really tragic number, look at the Second Congo War in Africa which ended in 2003, the same year of the US invasion. Know how many died? 5.4 million in less than 5 years.....and no one heard anything about it. Why? Because the US wasn't there. End of story.

If you want media attention to any conflict, drop a US soldier in that country and have them kill someone. The world media would be there in less than an hour, most likely with you following them, and they'll climb over millions of dead bodies to put the one killed by the US on the front page. And of course you will say that you're there because you have such a burning desire to save those poor people after completely ignoring them before.

The media isn't a friend to anyone.

Gary Raynor: Germany and Japan succeeded aside of the US, rather than because of it.

Nope. If people want to say things like the US overthrow in Iran caused everything that's happened there in the last 60 years, then, again, it should work both ways. The fair counterargument would be that the US built Japan and Germany and should take all the credit. I personally don't think either view is correct, but that's just me.

What saddens me is that I've see this movie before. The US critics weren't initially saying much about ISIS in Iraq in the beginning, but then we started seeing people float the "US is responsible for ISIS" bit, then more people did it, and fast forward to now. We officially have the crowd here who will post the same exact things over and over again without even referencing the article, and the part that bothers me is that they actually think they're accomplishing something.

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SuperLibMay. 18, 2015 - 12:13PM JST

What saddens me is that I've see this movie before

What saddens me is that nearly all Americans have seen the movie, but the world isn't a movie and no is coming to save America and her allies.

If the US can't follow through, it should butt out of intervening in other countries.

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"This is what happens when you invade a country and then leave"

Sure, it would have been way better to leave Saddam and his minority Sunnis alone, even after he invaded Kuwait.

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SerranoMay. 18, 2015 - 05:29PM JST

Sure, it would have been way better to leave Saddam and his minority Sunnis alone, even after he invaded Kuwait.

It probably would have been for the 300,000 Iraqi men, women and children and 200,000 Syrians who have died since the Second Iraqi war.

The first Iraqi war is a total different kettle of fish and a total disconnect with what has happened since 2001. Why bring it up?

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Sure, it would have been way better to leave Saddam and his minority Sunnis alone, even after he invaded Kuwait.

And why the US left Saudi despots and their minority Sunnis alone, even after they invaded Yemen?

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"It probably would have been for the 300,000 Iraqi men, women and children and 200,000 Syrians who have died since the Second Iraqi war."

How about the million or so Iraqi, Iranian and Kuwaiti men, women and children who died between the time Saddam came to power and the second Iraq war?

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'How about the million or so Iraqi, Iranian and Kuwaiti men, women and children who died between the time Saddam came to power and the second Iraq war?'

The vast majority of those deaths came in the Iran-Iraq war. Who supported and armed Saddam with conventional and chemical weapons to wage a million-dead war with Iran?

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Who supported and armed Saddam with conventional and chemical weapons to wage a million-dead war with Iran?

Ronald Reagan, Donald Rumsfeld, and the rest of the neocons who later "advised" GWB and who are now lining up behind whichever GOP candidate seemingly capable of winning.

http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Saddam_rumsfeld.jpg

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Gary Reynor: The first Iraqi war is a total different kettle of fish and a total disconnect with what has happened since 2001. Why bring it up?

Because there's generally no protest about the US's actions in 2001, which brings up the point of, "Don't meddle! Wait, OK, meddle in this one! Wait, don't meddle in that one! See what you've done! Why can't you get it right!"

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"Who supported and armed Saddam with conventional and chemical weapons to wage a million-dead war with Iran?"

"Ronald Reagan, Donald Rumsfeld, and the rest of the neocons who later "advised" GWB and who are now lining up behind whichever GOP candidate seemingly capable of winning."

Gosh, no matter what the U.S. does in Iraq, it's wrong. Time to let China figure it out? lol

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