Iraqis celebrate US pullback but bombing kills 27

Wednesday 01st July, 04:45 AM JST

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bushlover at 01:34 AM JST - 2nd July

aerockyulhim good guess but unfortunately guess what else: FAIL!!

I think The US troops should leave Iraq up to it's own fate at present. As long as a legit government can handle the place not going into some undesirable hands, ie: Taliban, Al Quida a-holes. People who continue to kill for the sake of getting control and love to use the method that has never really worked but has scared a lot. If that's what they will have to fight then lets hope they can do it. I support the gov't of Iraq in doing so. As do I with Pakistan too. Unfortunately they will eventually need help and who they gonna call? Not Ghostbusters.
adaydream at 02:45 AM JST - 2nd July

No WMD.

No Nuclear Program.

No Yellowcake from Niger.

No stockpiles of Sarin gas.

Just a loud mouth ruler that ran around the issues and resolutions.

bush, cheney, feith and rumpsfeld conned most of the world and attacked, murdered, destroyed a nation's infrastructure and we will spend over $3Trillion, as also mentioned by SuperLib.

This pullout is only the start of reclaiming our nation's image. We attacked a nation, played schoolyard bully and reduced the country to ruins. This pullout will allow the Iraqi people to try to rebuild their country. This pullout will allow the country to rule itself. To police their own country without the US as occupiers. < :-)
Brunobear at 07:26 AM JST - 2nd July

British PM Neville Chamberlain returned from meeting Hitler Adolf Hitler waving a signed letter from Hitler saying Germany would not invade other countries, uttering a mantra "Peace in Our Time". Hitler also signed a non aggression pact with the Soviet Union a week before brutally invading his neighbors and the world found it had to go to war to stop him. 100 million died including 27 million Soviets. The Japanese Ambassador was negotiating a peace agreement in Washington with the Presidential staff, at the very time it made its surprise attack on the US at Pearl Harbor. Stalin starved 9 million Ukrainians in 1932 and the Bolsheviks pulling the strings robbed the Russian people of all their land and wealth and the Soviets gave the world a 68 year cold war. What did it cost Britain, the US, Australia, Canada, NZ etc., to restore freedom to the world and those aggressor countries. The only difference with Saddam was the timing and on this occasion the West got in first. No more "or gee, but" please. The whole world virtually came to the same decision on Saddam in 2003. France didn't want the invasion because it had been supplying his weapons and munitions. Saddam kept his all French built planes on the ground knowing they were no match for the US planes. The Australian SAS captured all their fighter planes at the main tactical airport within the first week. Most of the deaths in Iraq came from an internal religious and race war exploited by Al-queda insurgents. I am happy to have lived for the last 64 years under the protection of the five Anglo Saxon countries. You cannot trust or rely on anyone else.
inkjet at 07:37 AM JST - 2nd July

"Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it."

saddam was not safely contained. the world saw the threat. the UN backed sanctions were killing hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis. the wringing hands approach was worse than useless. the status quo doing great harm .

why don't we hear about that from the concerned liberals? oh yeah clinton was a democrat. they must keep their priorities straight.

i don't agree with the sentiment: let's just move on. you can move forward while looking back. you have to. this war has to be put in to a proper perspective. the republicans paid a price for their actions. when the political winds shift the dems will have to answer to a lot of things too. it's not just politics. it goes deeper than that.
inkjet at 08:21 AM JST - 2nd July

As long as a legit government can handle the place not going into some undesirable hands, ie: Taliban, Al Quida a-holes.

if you add the Baathists wasn't this the US policy from day one?
teleprompter at 10:00 AM JST - 2nd July

susisake asks:

Are you going to demand Yabits tell you what country he is from?

Yabits is American. Of that I am almost certain. Nothing rings false in his posts, unlike those of sezwho or BeaverCleaver. But like I said his Ameri-centric worldview is embarrassing to me, a fellow American. Like many American "Liberals" he doesn't believe in American exceptionalism, but like many "Liberals" he is unaware he promotes a kind of inverse form of it. What I mean is that when people like him say Iran seeks nukes cuz Bush called it part of an axis of evil or that Bush mentioned "crusade" in a speech and this just like, totally - hello! - inflamed the entire Mohammedan world!,man, the melodrama and the exaggeration and hyperbole is proof that people like him believe the world beyond US borders hangs on the every word of our presidents, Fox News analysts, televangelists etc.

They don't.
bushlover at 11:05 AM JST - 2nd July

teleprompter well said but you know some of our Kanadian Amerika haters like SinJ will be here to tell us all how it really is. You can count on that KIA.
SuperLib at 11:45 AM JST - 2nd July

cleo: Just like Kim in NK is doing, except Kim is doing it better. So why is he being kept in power, running the country into the ground while ordinary North Koreans are brainwashed and starved? Goose. Gander.

Because the cost of removing him could be tens of millions of people, plus the leakage of nuclear technology to other countries. It's a little more complicated than "Goose. Gander.", I'd say. Why did Europe stop Milosovich but refuse to do anything about Saddam? He had WMDs?

Each situation is different. I don't support the "invade everyone or no one" foreign policy.
cleo at 12:39 PM JST - 2nd July

Because the cost of removing him could be tens of millions of people, plus the leakage of nuclear technology to other countries. It's a little more complicated than "Goose. Gander.", I'd say.

You're basically saying Saddam's mistake was not having a couple of small devices he could explode underground. You could say the different approaches to Iraq and NK would virtually guarantee Iran would try to go nuclear at the earliest opportunity. As you say, it's a little more complicated than just what's happening in one country.

Why did Europe stop Milosovich but refuse to do anything about Saddam? He had WMDs?

No, he didn't. And it's news to me that 'Europe stopped Milosevich' in the way the Coalition 'stopped Saddam'. If my memory serves me correctly Milosevich resigned in the face of demonstrations following a disputed election, was arrested by the Yugoslav authorities and sent to the Hague to face charges of war crimes. Most of 'The Europeans' who objected to the invasion of Iraq would have had no problem if the same had happened to Saddam - brought down by Iraqis, and sent to the Hague. It's what should have happened.

No one is asking you to support an "invade everyone or no one" foreign policy. But when you give A, B and C as absolute justification for action against Country X, there needs to be some explanation of why the same action is not taken against Country Y, when it has A, B and C in spades.
Brunobear at 02:00 PM JST - 2nd July

Superlib. I thought the people behind stopping Milosevich and the Serbian Army committing genocide on the Kosovars were UK PM Tony Blair and US Senator Bob Dole who convinced US President Bill Clinton to use US airpower to defeat the Serb's. And The US Airforce did it essentially on their own from 38,000 feet. I still picture foolish Serb's standing on bridges holding paper targets above them as they taunted the world and continued their mass slaughter of Moslem Kossovars. If you are going to stuff around with any force on earth, make sure it is not the US Airforce because you will be vaporized as well if their Commander in Chief orders it. The wimpish Europeans did little as usual, except one German radar operator tipped off the Serbs of the flight plan of a US fighter/bomber causing it to be shot down. There was no way the Iraqi's could give up Saddam like the Serbs later gave up Molosevich to get acceptance back into the EEU. Correct me if I am wrong in my facts.

The whole world is entitled to my opinions.
inkjet at 02:58 PM JST - 2nd July

You're basically saying Saddam's mistake was not having a couple of small devices he could explode underground.

well that's one of the reasons you want to keep those weapons out of certain hands. and why tyrants just love to get them.

and it was no mistake he didn't have them. israel saw to that.
SuperLib at 09:00 PM JST - 2nd July

cleo: No one is asking you to support an "invade everyone or no one" foreign policy. But when you give A, B and C as absolute justification for action against Country X, there needs to be some explanation of why the same action is not taken against Country Y, when it has A, B and C in spades.

And I explained the differences. I could go into more detail if you'd like, but I have a feeling you're just pretending that you don't understand.
Sarge at 11:57 PM JST - 2nd July

Whatever happened to al Sadr? Don't hear much about him these days...
Madverts at 12:38 AM JST - 3rd July

"Whatever happened to al Sadr? Don't hear much about him these days..."

I think he fled as US forces was hell-bent on assasinating him (in the most democratic manner, obviously). Expect him to return along with other wanabees as the US leaves and the power struggle continues young man.
JoeBigs at 09:10 AM JST - 4th July
Iraqis celebrate US pullback but bombing kills 27

In an effort to bring a smile and that warm fuzzy feeling in the bottom of all far right wing "Crusaders", I offer this assessment of why the Iraqis are so happy. But before I do I will say that I am doing this in loving memory of Cheney and his Rove spin machine.......

The Iraqis in an overwhelming thank to our troop massed in the streets to just say,"Thank you". They were so glad that the Bush administration brought them out of the harms way of the evil tyrant's grip and into the new air of safety and freedom. That they ran out into the streets and kissed picture of Bush and Cheney. Then of course they threw those flowers that Cheney said they would throw when we first invaded.

Now the Iraqis are living in the peace and happiness of the Neo-Con dream. The Neo-con movement has proven itself to be the true path of joy and happiness for the world.

Just imagine how bad off the Iraqis had it before under the clutches of the terrible evil evil evil bad guy known as Saddam.

Sure the Iraqis did not have;
1. Bombings
2. Street battles
3. Kidnappings
4. No electricity
5. No running water
6. 200,000 plus dead civilians
7. No economy
Sure they did not have all that but now they have freedom to complain about all that.

I say god bless Cheney, Bush, Wolfie, Rummy and the Neo-Con dream. If it were not for that vision where would those Iraqis be right now?

Your right if you said,"Alive and well under that tyrant." Who needs to be alive and well if you are not free?

Again I say, thank you joe the neo-con for a job well done!LOL