Israel carries out air strikes in Gaza

Wow what a surprise, each side continues to (endlessly) repeat the same actions and reactions again and again! Innocent human beings are dying, while it seems that neither side will ever learn from their mistakes.

Stuart hayward:

There is no equivalency here. Hamas could stop this entire thing in a moment by stopping the attacks on the Israeli population, but they don´t. It is only our press who tries to portray both sides as equally belligerent. Case in point: The article here start with a headline saying that Israel bombed Gaza. The fact that that was in RESPONSE to rocket attacks from Gaza is buried in a little remark down in the text. And that is the typical pattern.

WillliB: You have helped me make my point, there is always someone who justifies more killing. When someone can only see faults with the enemy, it allows them to justify ANY violent action or reaction, no matter how terrible. It's scary to think that anyone can justify either sides actions after all this time of repeating the same thing. History has already proven that violence will NEVER be a solution to the challenges between these two states. I won't defend Palestine's actions but how do you justify Israel's?

@Stuart

That's just a crock of Horse****! All Hamas has to do is to STOP FIRING their rockets and ALL attacks on Israel, that's it!

Once they do that, the Israelis will put their weapons down, it's that simple, they fire one rocket, Israel will respond as they should and will. The ball is in Hamas's court. They are on the short end of the stick, so it's up to them if they want to end this or continue this. One thing is for sure, Hamas doesn't have an inexhaustible amount of rockets at their disposal, they are slowly running low, whereas for Israel it's the exact opposite. Either way, Hamas needs to back down.

Bass4funk: I've always said that if one side could manage to remain pacifist (for a long enough period of time), the WORLD would probably give them total support, while dropping ALL support of the aggressor. That concept could work for EITHER side of this conflict, unlike your suggestion to repeat the same reactions, over & over again!

I've always said that if one side could manage to remain pacifist (for a long enough period of time), the WORLD would probably give them total support, while dropping ALL support of the aggressor.

History has shown that to be false. You have to dig a bit deeper than someone like WilliB -- who insisted that Israel's geographic area today is much smaller than it was during the UN partition plan. Even if no Palestinian fired a single shot of any kind, Israel would still be conducting a brutal occupation, killing peaceful protesters and building illegal settlements as documented in *Five Broken Cameras.

In response to Hamas' glorified pyrotechnic "missiles," Israel has conducted massive retaliation on Gaza's civilian population, whom they have kept under siege for years. The world should not wait for all the shooting to stop but to simply follow its own U.N. resolutions to stop sending arms, fuel, etc. to the parties involved in human rights abuses.

Even if no Palestinian fired a single shot of any kind, Israel would still be conducting a brutal occupation, killing peaceful protesters and building illegal settlements as documented in *Five Broken Cameras.

And again more propaganda from the Jihadist crowds, NO one said, Israel is perfect, far from it, but they should occupy Gaza until Hamas fully disarms and swears NOT to hurt ANY Israelis, then you can start to have peace negotiations and in the future, who knows. Until then, the ball is in their court!

@stuart

Nope, not buying it, again, it's Hamas who is firing rockets and Israel has every right to retaliate and if Hamas wants peace, which I don't believe for a second, then all bets are off. IF they want to end up as martyrs, then so be it, they should get what they want in that case.

I was just watching the BBC news video clips and unbelievable! An innocent Palestinian young man was explaining to BBC reporters during a truce, where his family had been killed when right out nowhere, ISRAEL SNIPERS shoot this poor, innocent Palestinian, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BBC reporters and camera men!! How low can ISRAEL go?? What was this ISRAEL SNIPER THINKING?? Let me guess, hey look a dirty Arab Palestinian in front of those filthy CHRISTIANS from the BBC, cool we can kill 2 birds with one shot! Kill those Arabs and show the Europeans what we really think about them!! I am not a mind reader, but PLEASE ISRAEL do not try to BS me or the world!! Israel should be ashamed of these evil crimes they are committing against HUMANITY!! (Hey, kind of reminds of what the NAZIs did during WW2!!) Pendejos!!

And again more propaganda from the Jihadist crowds

Five Broken Cameras was filmed and produced by Palestinian Jews and Arabs. Their means and goals are completely non-violent. They are not "jihadist crowds.."

NO one said, Israel is perfect

The Zionist state is criminal. "Far from perfect" is far too modest to describe what they have been doing from Day One. They can only get away with their criminal behavior -- condemned by nearly all nations -- because the United States backs them. As more documents become declassified by the Zionists and historians now better understand the truth about the early days of the Zionist state -- what started all of this off -- fewer and fewer people among the young are going to support the Zionists going forward.

and in the future, who knows.

Who knows? The Zionist state has engaged in nearly seven decades of ethnic cleansing and murder. You really expect them to stop?

Here's a comparison for any reader: Gaza is a tiny strip of land pretty much surrounded by Israel (with a small section bordered by Egypt.). Compared to the Arab nations around it, Palestine-Israel is a relatively tiny strip of land. Gaza has been under blockade and siege and has fired tiny projectiles that can't be guided and are capable of causing minimal damage. The Zionists have retaliated against the civilian population indiscriminately.

Israel has from 80 to 200 nuclear weapons in its arsenal, and has missiles capable of delivering them. If Arab nations were somehow capable of putting Israel under complete siege (as Gaza has been) and threatens to drive it into submission, would the Zionist state be justified in launching a nuclear attack against Arab populations? (And how would that be morally different than what Hamas is doing?)

Watch Irish Senator David Norris deliver his views concerning the present Gaza situation and the inertia of political response. No politician in the U.S. or Britain has the courage or eloquence of this man. | Irish Senator David Norris - Statements on the situations in Gaza and Ukraine |

You don't know that and that has never been officially confirmed. If you know more than the Israeli government and can prove that here on JT, I will owe you an apology. You made the accusation and I want you to emphatically back it up.

Back in December, the former Speaker of the Knesset, Avraham Burg, came out and admitted that the Zionist state has nuclear weapons. You should apologize to yourself.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/avraham-burg-panned-for-breaking-nuclear-ambiguity/

The right-wingers want him brought up on charges of treason because it clearly reveals how some people like to remain willfully ignorant.

NOT IF, they did! The Arab nations have in the past done worse, they tried to annihilate the Jewish state the day after Israel was born and in 1967.

Readers can easily assure themselves that your knowledge of the history of Palestine matches your knowledge of the Zionist nuclear weapons program, which is zero. Regarding 1967, for example, it was completely a war of opportunity launched by the Zionist state -- and that according to an IDF general at the time.

@yabits

Burg is a former member of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, and may be one of the few Israelis who have direct knowledge of Israel’s nuclear program.

It says MAY which doesn't deny nor confirm, nor is an affirmation of Israel having Nukes or the exact number and is ONLY one person that has possible knowledge. We don't know for sure, I cannot say either way, nor can you, Yabits! Again, prove to me that Israel undeniably has nukes and the number you quoted and I will stand by my word, other than that, you are just speculating and without assured conformation, I will dismiss it as such.

The right-wingers want him brought up on charges of treason because it clearly reveals how some people like to remain willfully ignorant.

If he did breach national security in ANY form that would jeopardize Israel's security, then he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, of course!

Readers can easily assure themselves that your knowledge of the history of Palestine matches your knowledge of the Zionist nuclear weapons program, which is zero. Regarding 1967, for example, it was completely a war of opportunity launched by the Zionist state -- and that according to an IDF general at the time.

Yabits, Rofl Keep digging, dude.

Arms Control Association (ACA) armscontrol.org , founded in 1971, has stated: || Israel has an unsafeguarded reactor and reprocessing plant at the Dimona site, where the country is widely believed to have produced the plutonium for its nuclear arsenal. || Does any sensible person believe that the ACA (jointly funded by the Carnegie Institute and the MacArthur Foundation) is maliciously attempting to deceive the world public into a false belief that Israel has nuclear weapons? The reason Israel never signed the NPT is that it would have to acknowledge its nuclear armaments and seek recognition as a nuclear weapons state or agree to destroy its nuclear arsenal. Either way it admits to having atomic WMD and to black-boxing that fact.

When I served on a U.S. Navy ship home-ported in Japan back in the 70s, our "official" policy was to not confirm or deny that we had nuclear weapons -- since it would have been wrong to bring them into Japan at the time. (Of course, we had nukes, and Japanese officials knew it, as was revealed much later.)

The US is NOT Israel.

Here's a transcript for adults who know how to research and read: "Israel's former Knesset Speaker Avraham Burg openly recognised that Israel possesses nuclear weapons during a conference in Haifa on Thursday that convened to discuss a Middle East free of nuclear weapons. According to Israel's Maariv newspaper, Burg did not attribute the claims to foreign sources like Israeli officials usually do to cast ambiguity on its nuclear capabilities. Burg said that: "the nuclear treasure has transformed these days into a political burden and a risk in the long run. Israel adopts a policy of ambiguity, which has become obsolete and is a childish way to prevent other countries from obtaining nuclear weapons."

Again, NO substantial proof. Still digging, Yabits, keep on...

You are doing just fine as childish and ineducable.

Why? Because you hate it when the truth is pushed in your face??

With nuclear weapons confirmed,

NOT confirmed, where is the evidence? Concrete, solid, backed up evidence, I am waiting. People also say, we have Alien bodies in Area 51, still waiting on that proof as well.

one key question is which Arab populations are they pointed at? And how do Jews with the potential to bring a nuclear holocaust on civilian populations make them morally superior to Hamas and their tiny projectiles?

Has nothing to do with anyone being superior, but IF Israel does posses Nukes and IF it gets to the level that some of these radical Jihadists get their hands on a bomb like Iran and are willing and determined to use it to wipe Israel off the map, then they should use whatever they have at their disposal to neutralize that threat, by ANY means necessary. IF Israel has Nukes and there is Zero hostility towards them, meaning that someone wants to wipe them off the face of the Earth, NO one has to worry, but ALL the jihadists said, they want to destroy Israel. The Arabs have nothing to worry about, IF they don't attack Israel to the point IF they do supposedly have weapons that they would use them.

it gets to the level that some of these [insert bad-guy's of the month here] get their hands on a bomb like Iran and are willing and determined to use it to wipe Israel off the map, then they should use whatever they have at their disposal to neutralize that threat,

Since its founding, under the apologists' guise of "not being perfect," the Zionist state has used mass murder and ethnic cleansing in the attempt to wipe Palestine off the map. Why can't Palestinians use whatever they have at their disposal to fight against that threat?

Yabits, I will say to you in the words of Dennis Prager, if Israel would lay its weapons down and Hamas and the other Jihadists, two things would happen.

1) There would finally be peace

2) In a month or so, every Hamas and every Jihadist would overwhelm Israel, massacre every single Jew.

Out of 22 Arab nations, you have 1 Jewish one, why can't the Arabs leave that one little tiny Jewish state alone? And stop giving me this BS that the Jews are out to get the Arabs. Yes, you do have a few radical Jews, but tell me when was the last time you saw Jews firing rockets, sending waves of suicide bombers to Gaza to blow these people up? When did you ever hear of Jews digging tunnels to attack the Gaza people? There is NO WAY on God's green Earth that the Jihadists would EVER allow the Israelis to live if they were captured, they are killing everyone else and you think they would make an exception to a Japanese or a Jew or a Yazidi? Of course not and you know it!

What bass4funk advocates (see post 01:07PM JST above) is a preemptive nuclear strike by Israel in reaction to a perceived threat coming from a nation or rogue state in the Middle East. That policy can only lead to an eventual condition of mutually assured destruction (MAD), since no technologically capable people will allow themselves to be held under permanent threat of nuclear annihilation forever without taking contingent deterrence measures. Israel should first admit to and then give up all its nuclear toys for the sake of peace in region and the world. The UN should insist on this | by a resolution passed in the Security Council | as a condition for its continuing membership

Israel should first admit to and then give up all its nuclear toys for the sake of peace in region and the world. The UN should insist on this | by a resolution passed in the Security Council | as a condition for its continuing membership.

I don't know whether Israel has Nukes or not, but there is no way the UN can ensure Israel's safety if it were to admit to having a vast stock pile of Nukes. Most likely in any event, were Israel to admit to having them, I have NO doubt that it would compromise its safety as well as its security. It matters NOT what the world thinks when it comes to the pure survival, again, survival of a nation if it feels that it could face possible annihilation.

Look at the chronology in the article:

Gaza militants fired rockets before the ceasefire was due to commence.

Israel fired rockets after the ceasefire was supposed to have started.

Where's the equivalency, WilliB?

bass4funk,

Israel's 'Nukes' are the world's biggest open secret, and are a huge elephant in the room thanks to Richard Nixon. It's all on record.

I don't know whether Israel has Nukes or not

Yeah, right.

In the words of Dennis Prager, if Israel would lay its weapons down

Why is this Prager suggesting that Israel completely lay its weapons down? (Isn't that an obvious straw-man?) There is a vast array of options between completely disarming and not using weapons to subject civilian populations to siege, occupation, land theft, ethnic cleansing and wholesale slaughter. Most reasonable adults can see this.

It matters NOT what the world thinks when it comes to the pure survival,...

This is equivalent to saying the Zionist state is free to disregard the rule of law among nations. For example, laws regarding nuclear weaponry. Is there any other state that gets a free pass from international law?

Out of 22 Arab nations, you have 1 Jewish one, why can't the Arabs leave that one little tiny Jewish state alone?

"Tiny and little?" Israel is a giant militarily -- many consider it to be among the top five military forces in the world. Perhaps Prager would benefit from the words of Israel's former Foreign Minister (Abba Eban) and his assessment of the Zionist state's capability compared to its opponents: That Israel had as much to fear from them as Russia does from Luxembourg. And fools such as Prager keep wanting to believe and convey that Israel is some kind of midget.

And stop giving me this BS that the Jews are out to get the Arabs. Yes, you do have a few radical Jews, but tell me when was the last time you saw Jews firing rockets, sending waves of suicide bombers to Gaza to blow these people up?

The Zionist method of assault is not the same. (Is it required to be?) it is much more insidious and destructive. Say you're a peaceful Arab farmer working your land, your olive trees, or your flock of sheep and some radical settlers decide they want your land. They will simply poison your flock, your water, and burn down your trees and otherwise threaten you -- and you have no recourse whatsoever. None. Zero. It only takes a handful of "radical Jews" to start the process. All they have to do is come one night with a crane and park a heavy trailer or three, and now they have just established the first step of a "settlement," which will entitle them to protection by the IDF. Yes, it only takes a few -- but they are backed up by many. There are a number of other methods of Zionist assault as well.

These things are happening now, as I write.