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Odogma
The US had nothing to do with this, most likely Mossad assassination.
I judge Israelis, as I do any group, by how treat their own.
Hamas gains control of Gaza and immediately starts assassinating PLO officials, in some cases in front of the officials' children.
There is no equivalent in Israeli politics.
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guest
Jerusalem is owned by the Jews. Move the Palestinians away, to Arab countries if you think its a problem. There is more then enough Arab land, empty deserts waiting for those people of piece. The problem is that Arabs dont want them stinking up the place. Its the Palestinian government thats unworthy of anything other then death. Cry as you will but Israel is in the right, and has the power and friends to continue to exist. Arabuslam is not the name, its Jerusalem.
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guest
His own brother admits that he was scum.
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kinniku
Wow! Just wow! I expected the Palestinians to take advantage of Israel's exit from Gaza in 2005 to make peace, not more war. I was disappointed. Again, you constantly only see one side and you refuse to acknowledge that the Palestinians gave up a big chance in 2005 to reap the benefits of a Gaza with no Israelis in it.
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zurcronium
This is called state terrorism. Except when Israel does it.
More deaths leading to more deaths. And now Israel is arresting its own people who protest such terrorism. The country is a rightwing religious state that is hell bent on genocide.
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goddog
Mossad rocks.
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sabiwabi
First of all, Israelis have a long history of lying, why should we believe them this time?
Second, even if it was true that this man played a critical role in smuggling rockets from Iran to Palestinian militants in Gaza, does that make it OK to murder him (by electrocution and poisoning). Would it be equally acceptable to murder in the US an Israeli involved in the "sale" of American arms to Israel?
You mean, as it was before Palestine was wiped off the map, when Muslims, Christians, and Jews all lived side-by-side in peace.
You mean Israelis, not Israelites, right? Only a very small fraction of the Israelis are descendants of the Israelites.
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sabiwabi
It seems Israel has hitmen all over the world. I wonder how they can get away with it.
Indeed. People would be very surprised to know why, who pressured the US government to block their entry.
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kinniku
Well, because Iran has admitted that they support Hamas. You remember when I proved that to you before and you ran away from that conversation?
Well, I would not say it makes it 'OK'. However, assassination is hardly unheard of on any side in the Middle East. Look at how an Israeli killed Rabin and how Fatah and Hamas kill each others' leaders.
Yes, it was all kisses and smiles before 1948.
Blah, blah, blah...there are Israelis and Palestinians there now. They need to learn to get along, all of them. Your silly attempts at faulty DNA analysis does not change this.
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kinniku
Indeed. No one is interested in your silly holocaust denial and conspiracies. Try to keep up. We are talking about Israel and Hamas.
Ummm...most countries have spies and 'hitmen' as you call them all over the world. Remember that guy poisoned by the Russians in the UK?
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Helter_Skelter
LOL! Muslim Arabs were mudering Jews in the Middle East long before Israel ever existed.
Moderator: Readers, no history lessons please. Focus your comments on what is in the story.
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Helter_Skelter
Pretty much. Not even the Muslim Arab countries are mourning his death. Only Hamas terrorists and neo-Marxists seem to be worked up about it.
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Odogma
I feel no sorrow or regret reading about a murdered Hamas member, much less one who was smuggling weapons from Iran. Hamas is explicitly committed to Israel's destruction. It is there in their charter for all who have eyes to see and a brain to reason with.
I must point out that none of the posters above who criticize America for financial support of Israel ever bring up US support of the largely failed Arab states that surround Israel.
Even more conspicuous is the abscence of any condemnation of Iran.
The death of this arms dealer is more proof, hardly needed, that Iran is waging a proxy war in the region.
From the article:"Dubai authorities have said a “professional criminal gang” with European passports was likely behind the killing."
Sounds less like Mossad and more likely that the dead arms smuggler crossed the wrong Russian somewhere along the way.
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sabiwabi
We don't know that yet. We just have Israel saying that he was, but they lie constantly. He could very well have been on a mission to get medical supplies for Gazans.
Russians with European passports? Using passports from other countries is very typical of the Mossad.
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Odogma
"Tell me, are there any weapons you think the Palestinians should have?"
I definitely think the PLO should arm themselves. Hamas are a nasty bunch. They executed Fatah security forces by the dozens, in some cases in front of the 'guilty' man's own children. Reports of torture also reached the civilized world beyond Gaza. It's all out there, but I am by now hardly surprised that posters such as likeitis just rabbit on about 'white phosphorous.'
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kinniku
Yes, so you constantly claim. However,Iran has admitted that they support Hamas. You remember when I proved that to you before and you ran away from that conversation?
Yes, he could have also been on a mission to get parts for the first Gazan space shuttle. He could have been doing lots of things. However, we do know Hamas is supported by Iran and that, in recent years, they mostly seem to use this support to make weapons to use against Israel even though they know this just gets Israel attacking them again.
So? It is also very typical of every spy organization on the planet in addition to criminals and weapons dealers around the world. You'd scream 'Mossad' if you got a bad burger at Lotteria.
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Helter_Skelter
Squirt guns, perhaps.
Cool. James Bond used multiple passports.
Literally LOL! Good one kinniku.
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sabiwabi
kinniku,
The MSM and people like you like to portray Hamas as being only a terrorist organization, rather than the democratically elected party that runs Gaza. Those who support Hamas support Gaza. Just one year ago, Israel was committing war crimes and crimes against humanity, slaughtering helpless civilians in Gaza. There is absolutely nothing wrong with supporting Hamas in their defense against Israeli war crimes. There wouldn’t even be anything wrong with given rockets to Hamas, but we don’t know if they did that.
BTW, ignoring a nuisance is not the same as running away from it, but if it makes you feel better…
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
I am not particularly interested in your analysis of the 'MSM' or of 'people like me'. However, I am perfectly aware of Hamas' role of the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinians. I have never said or indicated otherwise.
Sorry. I don't understand what this is supposed to me. Those who support Hamas, support Hamas. Hamas' actions in Gaza have made things immeasurably worse for Gazans not better.
According to the UN and human rights organizations, both sides have been accused of war crimes. You only choose to see one side.
There is everything wrong with supporting Hamas' continued denial of reality that they have no choice but to make a real peace with Israel.
Of course there is something wrong with it. It is one of the things that keeps the two peoples fighting each other. Instead of shooting rockets after the Israelis left, Hamas should have made Palestinians lives better, as any democratically elected government should do for its people.
No, it is the fact that you were wrong and proven to be wrong. It is your standard pattern.
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Helter_Skelter
Actually, Israel committed crimes against humanity for eight years by allowing their civilian population to be the target of nearly ten thousand terrorist rocket attacks without doing anything about it. What country in the world would allow this to happen? Countries that passively allow their citizens to be victimized by Islamic terrorism should be brought before the Hague.
So your point is they're more than just a terrorist organization? Anyway, the civilized world including the European Union, Japan, United States, Australia, Canada, etc. classify Hamas as a terrorist organization. It's the uncivilized world that supports them.
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makabi
it said that he was responsible for the kidnaping and murdering of the two israeli soldeires,sasportas and saadon from 1989. so im very happy that he is dead.
no known if israel is behaind the hit(it dosent look like that),but if it is,good job israel! thats how you should fight extreem-islam terrorisam. there is no other way.
sabiwabi, history,archeology,and dna contradict what you say about the jews. its their land.
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ProfJuanColePhd
Oh my. This is a difficult one. Do we claim he died a natural death and just let Mossad win again, or do we admit he was smuggling weapons from Iran but it was for the cause?
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kinniku
Dear Phd,
If you were to take a look at the article or even the headline, you would see it is not a mystery that the man was slain. No reason to claim natural causes and no one making that claim.
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sabiwabi
Now THAT is very mature indeed!
That is another misconception that the MSM and people like you like to spread, that the rockets are the cause of the conflict. It isn't, it never was. Even with the last war crime committed by Israel, it was Israel that broke the ceasefire, not Hamas. Its the standard pattern. Blaming the rockets is like a rapist blaming the victim. If there is one of the two sides that should not be armed, it is the Israeli side.
As I stated many times, all Israel has to do to stop the rockets from coming is to follow international law, return to its pre-1967 borders, and stop treating the Palestinians like cattle.
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kinniku
It is merely a fact.
Incorrect. Hamas was caught tunneling INTO Israel. That was what broke the ceasefire.
Yes, well, everyone knows how impartial and balanced you are on this issue...not...at...all...
Hamas just needed to stop the violence and get on with the business of governing their people. They still have not managed to form into a real government for their people and cling to their militant ways.
It does not matter what you state or don't state. Since Hamas does not feel that way, your attempted point is pointless.
Israel left Gaza in 2005 and got smuggling, tunneling, violence and rockets in return. Hamas needs to realize this is not the answer and others cheering them need to start to make them understand this.
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ChrisBiggins
I don`t believe anything Israel says anymore. They are beastly to the Palestinians and are experts at forging evidence and assasinations that are illegal under international law.
The genocide continues and it makes me want to cry.
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goddog
hammas rocks and is the best political organization in the world.
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LIBERTAS
Mossad killed him. He wasn't smuggling, he was buying and arranging for delivery, as a legitimate operative of the Government of Gaza. (Why do we not say America is smuggling banned and awful weapons of mass destruction into Israel to be used on children? It's exactly the same.) The same Gaza that was subjected to a crime against humanity by an illegitimate oppressor, and has every right to feed and defend itself. Israel is a compulsive liar state; don't believe them if they told you today was Monday. Hesbollah, the Iranians, the Syrians all have legitimate grievances against Israel, as do the Palestinians in Gaza and the rest of their occupied country.
I know the Israel-firsters, the supposedly pro-life Christian Zionists, will never concede to this. But, not conceding doesn't in any way alter the truth of what IS.
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LoveUSA
I do not know if it is the best or the worst but its members are the most handsome (dark and mysterious - my ideal)
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Sarge
"the killing of Mahmoud al-Mabhoud"
Good riddance.
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LoveUSA
Killing people is evil.
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Sarge
Love, Mahmoud al-Mabhoud would have tortured and killed you without hesitation or remorse.
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ChrisBiggins
Sarge; I don`t think anyone can convince the Israelis to stop killing my dear chap.
The beastly Israeli killing machine acts as a law unto itself and brutalises and as in this instances illegally muders people, neasty, nasty masty!
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guest
Yeah, they all attacked Israel, and lost, big time in Biblical proportions... Their people live in hell on earth, created by their evil ways, and with over a billion voices scream loudly, but strangely, rational people dont listen, or even care about their issues. Why is that?
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LoveUSA
No, Sarge, he won't because I do not go to his home and invade it.
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Helter_Skelter
Of course Libertas is privy to this intelligence through his intimate connections with the international espionage underworld. Way to go Mossad!
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Sarge
Love, are you saying that Mahmoud al-Mabhoud was a good guy?
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cleo
Sarge, are you saying that your definition of a 'good guy' is someone who doesn't torture and kill you without hesitation or remorse unless you invade his home?
I think most folk would set the bar a bit higher than that....
There seems to be a lot of 'he said/she said' type rhetoric about the Israel/Palestine problem, both sides saying the solution is for the other side to be nicer.....Both sides remind me of the old fable of the man in the overcoat - no matter how hard the North Wind blew, he couldn't get the coat off, but all the Sun had to do was shine and the man discarded the coat by himself. Problem is how to get the sun to shine in the Middle East. I have no answers. There seem to be some pretty nasty characters calling the shots on both sides.
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sabiwabi
If Gazans were a free people, they wouldn't need to smuggle and tunnel.
A little over a week ago "United Nations agencies and their non-governmental partners warned of the impact of the Israeli blockade on Gaza’s population and on health services, and repeated their call for an immediate opening of the border crossings."
As long as Israel treats the Palestinians like cattle (actually worst than cattle), it deserves to get rocketed.
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sabiwabi
LIBERTAS, excellent post. I would just add that the west (the people, not their leaders) also has legitimate grievances against Israel. Many of the lies that got the west into Iraq, originated from Israel.
I think the US has laws against selling or giving weapons to be used in the way Israel has used them. But who will investigate? Obama doesn't seem to care much; he's more than willing to send his military to take control of Haiti, but he'll NEVER do it to protect the Palestinians against war crimes.
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Sarge
Israel will continue to exist. Not sure about Hamas.
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kinniku
They were tunneling INTO Israel when they broke the ceasefire. You know when you were wrong again. In 2005 the Gazan border was open with Egypt. Everyday Palestinians were cheering and happy at the new prospects for peace. Hamas used tunnels and smuggling to bring in weapons and to kidnap soldiers. Then once elected, Hamas decided to ignore all of its border obligations with Israel and Egypt. Again, it was a missed opportunity to show what Hamas could do as a real government for their people and not just as militants. They failed miserably.
Well, I think the blockade is too severe. However, Hamas should indicate clearly and specifically its intention to finally make real peace with Israel. They might also want to consider not stealing food and supplies from the UN that is supposed to be for the Palestinian people. They also should consider sending their leaders overseas to talk about peace instead of how to get more weapons in their vain attempt to destroy Israel. Again, Israel for its part needs to let all essential aid into Gaza and the UN should monitor the aid to make sure it gets into the right hands (Hamas is not crazy about UN monitors, but then again they have stolen aid meant for average Palestinians.
It got 'rocketed' after it left Gaza. That was a ridiculous reaction to what was a chance for the Gazans to have peace with no Israelis there.
Yeah, yeah, you and LIBERTAS blame EVERYTHING on Israel. Moon lauch faked? Israel! Holocaust faked? Israel! sabiwabi and LIBERTAS get bad burgers at Lotteria? Israel! However, none of what you two write matches reality. Heck, LIBERTAS does not seem to know the difference between Gaza and Lebanon and thought Shalit was kidnapped in Lebanon.
LOL! You are trying that sentence again. Leaders complain plenty about Israel and we all get to read about it.
Cleo is correct. Both sides bear responsibility for this mess and both sides need to take that responsibility more seriously. The first step is to ignore calls for more 'rockets' and the like.
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sabiwabi
Sorry, but that is complete BS, and you know it.
You keep on making a big deal about them leaving Gaza, but the fact is that the Gazans have NEVER been free; they remained caged-in like animals, without adequate access to medicines and other essentials. For you it seems completely normal to have the Gazans caged in like animals under very poor conditions, and you expect them to behave!!!
Your views are extremely one-sided, are you still getting your talking points from the Israeli government. Even CNN's Amanpour doesn't see it the way you do.
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Helter_Skelter
If Gazans didn't act like criminals, they'd be a free people. They voted Hamas terrorists into power. Deal with the consequences.
When you act like animals (actually worse than animals), you get treated like animals.
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kinniku
Nope. That are the sad facts of your posting history. You'd find a way to weave Israel into a conversation about Kitty-chan.
Yes, I do. It was a big deal. It is also a shame Hamas did not take advantage of it.
They should have been on the road to freedom with Israel leaving. That is what should have logically happened. Instead, Hamas took advantage of the situation and made things much worse for the very people they claim to represent.
See, this is perfect example of you not paying attention. Israel LEFT. They were GONE. Palestinians were able to CROSS the border into Egypt. The Palestinians in Gaza were HAPPY. Hamas ruined that. Yes, I expected Hamas to act better than that.
Yeah, sure...not. Just above I agreed that Israel's blockade is too severe. Let's see how balanced YOU are. Do you think Hamas handled things well after Israel left Gaza in 2005?
Hamas needs to form into the government that the Palestinians need and ignore the 'let's rocket Israel some more' crowd.
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LoveUSA
I do not know, Sarge, have never met him, do not know if what is written about him is true or false, would like to meet him, drink a glass of wine with him and decide if he is good or bad. (I like bad ones)
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Helter_Skelter
Hehe. LoveUSA likes bad boys, including Islamic terrorists.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
the point is that you point fingers at Israel and Jews for pretty much everything but you avoid the real questions. Such as: I have agreed that Israel's blockade is too severe. Let's see how balanced YOU are. Do you think Hamas handled things well after Israel left Gaza in 2005?
I think they missed a huge opportunity. IMHO, the Palestinians certainly have done worse since Hamas came to power in Gaza. The facts on the ground show this to be true.
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Helter_Skelter
So where exactly are the billions of dollars in aid that Gaza receives going?
On 12 January, Hamas raided some 100 aid trucks entering Gaza, stole their contents and sold them to the highest bidders.
On 20 January, gunmen from Hamas' armed wing seized 12 trucks loaded with humanitarian aid that had been donated by the Jordanian government to the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, according to Jordanian and Palestinian Authority officials.
On 3 February, 3,500 blankets and over 400 food parcels were confiscated by Hamas police personnel from an UNRWA distribution center.
Oh, I see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009GazaStrip_aid
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Helter_Skelter
Yes, Palestine was a bastion of industrialization, entrepeneurship, and intellectual thought before Israel existed. LOL! The truth is the Muslim Arab world has been a basket case for the last 500 year, irrelevant of Israel's existence. They are incapable of creating or producing anything, and have contributed nothing to the world.
However, those Muslim Arabs fortunate to live in Israel have one of the highest standards of living in the ME. Those Muslim Arabs who flooded Gaza and the West Bank from Egypt and Jordan in order to find work in Israel also benefited. Think how many more Muslim Arabs could have benefited from Israel if they hadn't been hell bent on ethnically cleansing the ME of the Jewish "Infidel".
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
The subject here is Hamas and again my question was: I have agreed that Israel's blockade is too severe. Let's see how balanced YOU are. Do you think Hamas handled things well after Israel left Gaza in 2005?
You respond with silly and inappropriate hyperbole. Israel is here to stay. I believe in a two state solution. You believe only in blaming Israel and Jews for pretty much everything. (Including incorrectly suggesting there were too many Jewish heads of the US Federal Reserve) So far, you seem the complete opposite of balanced.
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WayneRooney10
So, Hamas is next to Dubai. That's what the story is saying, right?
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nandakandamanda
Everything points to Israel, but then again, Israel does have a case.
(This is not to say that Hamas does not have a case.)
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
Welcome to reality. Please look up, at your earliest convenience, the jubilent Palestinian reaction after Israel disengaged and they were able to freely cross the border back and forth into Egypt. Yes, for a sadly brief point in time, the Palestinians of Gaza were indeed happy about the prospects for their futures. Hamas, unfortunately, had other plans and the Palestinians' situation is worse.
Now, you are still avoiding the basic question which is directly related to this article: I have agreed that Israel's blockade is too severe. Let's see how balanced YOU are. Do you think Hamas handled things well after Israel left Gaza in 2005?
Moderator: Please stop badgering other readers.
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sabiwabi
There might have been a brief moment of RELATIVE happiness and freedom. But they have never been free.
We had this discussion before, many times. Restrictions were imposed on Gaza after it elected Hamas because Israel doesn't like Hamas. They were increased later, but they have always had restrictions, they were never free.
For many decades now, the Palestinians have been prisoners on their own land (a very small fraction of their land). Israel has NO business keeping the Palestinians captive under such conditions. And Israel has no business murdering Palestinians abroad.
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kinniku
But they were heading in that direction. Hamas messed that up.
No. Restrictions were imposed because Hamas refused to go along with agreements already in place between the Palestinians and Israel and Egypt.
Again, the fact that there were restrictions and further that they were increased were the direct result of actions on the part of Hamas.
Yes, it really is about time both sides were willing to negotiate seriously.
Yes, it really is about time both sides were willing to negotiate seriously.
Well, we do not know for sure that Israel had anything to do with this killing. However, as I wrote before, assassination is hardly unheard of on any side in the Middle East. Look at how an Israeli killed Rabin and how Fatah and Hamas kill each others' leaders. Hamas and its aligned militant groups also have no business sending bombs along the seas or rockets through the air to kill whomever they may hit.
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sabiwabi
But it shows that Israel is not interested in serious negotiations or in maintaining a ceasefire.
As you know, Hamas was respecting a ceasefire and its only after several of its members were murdered by Israel that Hamas started firing rockets, leading to the carnage a year ago.
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kinniku
Hamas and its aligned militant groups still continue to fire rockets and float bombs. There is no 'ceasefire' now and there has not been one for quite some time.
Incorrect. The ceasefire was broken by Hamas when they attempted to tunnel INTO Israel.
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Odogma
The dead smuggler must have been quite a valuable asset, judging from the reaction his death has provoked from the genocidal Hamas thugs.
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