Israel tells Gazans to brace for war escalation

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SuperLib at 03:01 AM JST - 12th January

smithinjapan: While I am 100% for passive resistance, I don't believe you are correct. Hell, even people like Helter_Skelter and the former pasquinade come on here and call people who argue against Israeli actions 'pacifists'. My not believing it would work is not at all condoning what Hamas does. Rather, it's a statement against Israel's actions. You see, I honestly believe that so long as Israel has carte blanche and weapons/aid support from the US, they believe they are above reproach.

Read MLK's book and you'll understand. His policies are directly from Gandhi's which is why people often refer to them at the same time. All I can say is that I've read it and I think it will work. You haven't read it and you don't think it will work. Read his book and then make up your mind. Personally, I think you'll agree.
smithinjapan at 03:08 AM JST - 12th January

SuperLib: "but bring up one US soldier and I can promise you all of your talk about rational statements and good arguments will fly out the window faster than the credibility of a couple of nutballs."

Well, that's another conversation for another topic (namely said US soldier), and it really depends on who the soldier is and what he/she did, if anything. Hell, I was DEFENDING the US soldier the other day in the case where the Japanese man assaulted him, as anyone rightly should, but defend him I did. What's more, while I have in the past been pretty irrational on some threads as I said I'm trying to change where I believe I might be so as to be more rational and benefit the debate at hand.

"As for yourself, I just don't beleive it. I often hear kind and sincere words when you talk about nutballs, terrorists, countries like Iran and Syria..."

As to whether the comments are actually 'rational' or not, that is often incorrectly judged by the person who hears what he or she doesn't wish to. I could say your support of Bush is irrational, but that's your opinion and there is rationality doesn't play a part. Your REASONS for supporting the president might be irrational or rational, but that's something different. The thing is, I really don't support most of what Iran is or does, or Syria, NKorea, etc., but I also don't support a lot of the mentality of people who just want to call everyone in the area of the ME terrorists simply based on where they are from; and it's in these arguments that people assume because I don't support their opinions that I, and other people like me, are automatically for the other party. It just doesn't work that way, and THAT kind of thinking is what is irrational.

Pretty much the only place I remain pig-headed these days is on threads related to GWB and/or his government, but in that case I stand behind anything I say 100%, and evidently so does most of the world.
smithinjapan at 03:10 AM JST - 12th January

SuperLib: "You haven't read it and you don't think it will work."

As said by likeitis, don't assume what I have or haven't done. In this case you happen to be right, but that's only by chance. I do know a lot about passive resistance via Ghandi's take and work on it, though.

Anyway, I'm off.
Molenir at 03:44 AM JST - 12th January

I agree with SuperLib, nonviolence would work against Israel.
northlondon at 04:22 AM JST - 12th January

I agree with SuperLib, nonviolence would work against Israel.

And I don't quite get your point ? People like myself have been offended by the deaths, sorry murder, of over 200 children at the hands of Israel, funded by the US. So you are saying that the little kids in Gaza should react with non-violence ? The same children that have no arms or political power, that have been blown up in their own homes or in schools. Because nobody here supports Hamas or Hezbollah. We are just outraged at the murder of babies and toddlers. Over 200 of them with their blood on the hands of the US government. So when you call out to these children for non-violence, just what are you talking about ?
SezWho2 at 06:03 AM JST - 12th January

SuperLib,

You aren't fooling me. I know that any agreement that you support has to include the right of return, aka the destruction of Israel.

No, I'm not fooling you. You're fooling yourself. I won't speculate on your motives for ascribing hidden meanings to what has been perfectly plain.

I will support any agreement that works. I support the Palestinian demand for the right of return. However, I think that demand is negotiable. Nevertheless, I doubt that there will be any workable agreement until Israel concedes most if not all of the territory it effectively annexed post 1967.
MarieDevine at 08:25 AM JST - 12th January

There has always been a nation stirred up against Israel when they forgot the way they should go. The solution to this problem is clearly written for all to see. This is a time of correction. We are fighting wars the wrong way. We are ignoring proper guidance that can bring peace.
Nordon at 08:28 AM JST - 12th January

smithinjapan

Well, my question is, if Hamas agrees to stop firing rockets, how long do they have to wait until Israel lifts the blockade?

I couldn't see any nation having an open border with another that advocates their annihilation.

Hamas' biggest obstacle is themselves.
jwills79 at 08:52 PM JST - 12th January

What would you do if a stranger came to your house said that another stranger will now take 60% of your property despite living there for hundreds of years. Based on a agreement between the two other strangers not including you. Not pay you for it just take it. If you disagree they have the right harm you. The Israeli policy for resistance. The one bone break rule.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm95gqdiwJQ

Now since the stranger moved in more of the house is being taken by the stranger by force and against the law. Until the point you and your family are now living in the hall closet. No lights, water, telephone and gas are allowed. You can't even go outside the closet to the kitchen or bathroom because the surrounding area is now the stranger's. The stranger is also giving the other rooms of the house to his friends who can take all the possessions in that room.

Out of rage you fight back and the hall closet gets worst.

I have just the described the creation of the Israeli State. I would love to here your memories of the event.

P.S.

That clip won't be getting much coverage on the US stations, which why so many one sided views here.
likeitis at 11:23 PM JST - 12th January

Read MLK's book and you'll understand.

Gee, maybe you could brief me?

I may not have read the man's book, but I do have an inkling of how he worked. Protest marches really got out the message to people who did not even personally know a black man. But the thing is, those protest marches did not happen inside of a fence where reporters have major difficulty going. Those protest marches happened on typical public roads, right in front of everybody.

The trouble with the non-violent approach now is that it is going to take an MLK or a Ghandi to pull it off if its even possible. Expecting that is the same sort of "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" expectation I decried earlier. It sounds to me like the Palestinians have been completely screwed for decades. If they get a Ghandi, I will be extremely satisfied with that. But I am not going to hold my breath hoping one gets born soon. These people have been displaced and shut off for too long for genius to be fostered. The situations of Ghandi and MLK were not exactly wonderful, but they beat this in many ways, not the list of which is simply being able to mingle with those they are passively resisting.

But please do not mistake my understanding of the cause of the rockets to be some sort of support. I support neither party in most of what either has done.

And, it seems most of the U.N. is against Israel anyway and despite the rockets. They have passed resolution after resolution against Israel. How much more passive resistance could you get than that? What has it changed really? I think it will take a Ghandi to squeeze just one more drop of sympathy out the current situation.
likeitis at 11:26 PM JST - 12th January

The Israeli policy for resistance. The one bone break rule.

I do not think the Israelis properly factored in the effect of video cameras being commonplace in today's world. But I am sure they will think of some propanda to cover up what they do just like they have been for decades.
AlfGarnett at 11:47 PM JST - 12th January

Strewth, as i mentioen earlier you have to be a nutcase or evil to agree with these Israeli murders. Don't worry theough Israel the world is watching, mark my words when karma hits you you'll bloody know it haha.
Molenir at 04:09 PM JST - 14th January

Alfybaby - You forgot the other type of person who doesn't condemn Israel. Basically someone who hates allowing evil like Hamas to hide behind women and children. They also have no problem with Israels invasion.

On the other hand, you would have to be a nutcase or evil to agree with Hamas, and their tactics.

Moderator: Please address other posters by their correct user names.
hakujinsensei at 10:08 AM JST - 17th January

The Jewish state of Israel is a cold and heartless entity. That being said, they are not new-coming carpet baggers that have ripped off somebody's land, they have a historical claim to the land that goes back thousands of years. Seems to me there is enough sand and olive trees to go around.

The women and children of Gaza are as much victims of Hamas as they are of Israel. Violence begets violence and that is just what has happened. There is a time for armed resistance when your life is threatened but that is not the case here. There is no agenda of genocide on the part of Israel. They govern fairly with regards to those that are not Jewish as long as they are not shooting missiles at the suburbs and sending suicide bombers to push their agendas.

All the bloodshed can stop today as the Israelis will cease their response if Hamas stops its aggression. The Palestinians can establish their state thru peaceful means if they establish a reasonable plan and understand that the process of education and establishing political influence will take time and must begin with creating credibility thu the lack of aggression.
likeitis at 10:48 AM JST - 17th January

they have a historical claim to the land that goes back thousands of years.

Its going to take A LOT of birth certificates to prove THAT claim! Then we are going to have to consider the Hittites, the Assyrians, and the people of Jericho if anyone comes along and claims to be a descendent.

And I hope they still got those land deeds! I would not want one Jew accidentally getting another Jew's ancient plot! Then we will just have to move people around again!

Sorry, but this ancient claim thing is just ridiculous. There comes a time when you just have to accept the reality of the modern age, because trying to restore the situation of over a thousand years ago is going to generate a lot more hardship than its worth, and punish the descendents of people who have nothing to do with what their ancestors did, while rewarding the ancestors of another group for nothing they did or suffered.