Israeli cabinet passes loyalty bill; Arabs angry
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MisterCreosote
Fantastic idea.
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Helter_Skelter
Muslim Arabs making accusations of racism? :-D
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stevecpfc
Helter Skelter; Their are Christian and atheist Arabs, or didn`t Fox News mention that?
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jruaustralia
Wonder what Christian and non-believing Arabs think of this? And what of the secularist west?
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smithinjapan
"The measure was largely symbolic, since few non-Jews apply for Israeli citizenship."
Sorry... this line confused me a bit. Does it apply only to those seeking Israeli citizenship, and if not does that mean anyone simply living there must make the pledge? The former seems reasonable enough, the latter I'm not so sure.
Helter_Skelter: "Muslim Arabs making accusations of racism? :-D"
I KNOW! And about the Jews -- who never accuse anyone or anything of being anti-Semetic! ;) (stevecpfc covered my other point)
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djuice
Seems like people wanting to be citizens of the Us must take an oath also. If it is such a big deal, why apply for Israeli citizenship?
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RomeoRamenII
An excellent idea.
RR
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WilliB
stevecpfc:
The Christian and atheist Arabs have no problem with that, since the Jewish state fully accepts non-Jews and treats them equally to everyone else.
The objection to the existance the Jewish state comes only from muslims (and not only Arab muslims... ask Ahmedinejad).
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smithinjapan
WilliB: "The Christian and atheist Arabs have no problem with that, since the Jewish state fully accepts non-Jews and treats them equally to everyone else."
Oh my my my... how you undermine your own comments. Ummm... what is the definition of 'non-Jew'? I'll help you out by simply stating it means 'not a Jew'. So, explain to how by according to your comment that Christian and Atheist Arabs would therefore have no problem, but Muslim Arabs would? By your own comment, they are all the same.
THAT was easy!
"The objection to the existance the Jewish state comes only from muslims (and not only Arab muslims... ask Ahmedinejad)."
No, it comes from different Arab corners. THAT was easy, too. It's seriously odd to see you come on here trying to troll and being so easily shot down.
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sabiwabi
I'm no expert in American affairs, but I doubt that new US citizens need to pledge a loyalty oath to a “white and Christian” state. Imagine if the US had such a pledge and that native Americans needed to go through this humiliation.
WilliB: "...the Jewish state fully accepts non-Jews and treats them equally to everyone else."
You truly have no idea what you're talking about, do you.
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MisterCreosote
Israel is not America.
If the Arabs there (who admit they have more freedom in Israel than any of their brethren do outside her borders) don't like it, well, they can leave, can't they? Who is stopping them?
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SuperLib
A loyalty oath seems a bit silly. And Arabs accusing others of creating second class citizenship is a bit silly as well. Just another day in the Middle East, I suppose.
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neogreenjapan
Palestinians are treated as second class citizens in Israel. The racial discrimination is institutionalized there comparable to other countries where there was institutionalized racial discrimination such as former Germany, USA, South Africa etc. Other Arabs are not racially discriminated in their home countries like Palestinian Arabs are. Are you suggesting Palestinians to move away from their home country if they can not accept being racially discriminated?
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neogreenjapan
Should Arabs pledge an oath to Israel for celebrating sixty years of ethnic cleansing and atrocities against the native Palestinians?
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MisterCreosote
You are talking about Arabs outside of Israel ? It would be a step in the right direction.They should admit they have used the 'Palestinians' like cannon fodder.
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MisterCreosote
Arabs in Israel freely admit they have more freedom and benefits there than in any of the surrounding hell holes of Islamic social engineering. My mate is a half Swedish half Japanese guy who has been to Israel and seem for himself the differences. I really admire the guy.
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SuperLib
Are you talking about how Hamas and Fatah treat each other? I'm confused.
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WilliB
smithjapan:
No, it does not. You can verify that easily by looking who accepts Israels right to exist and who does not. Non-muslim Arabs DO, and muslims (both Arab and non-Arab) do NOT. From Ahmedinejad to corners of the earth like Malaysia and Aceh, where most people wouldn´t even find Israel on a map. The campaign to destroy Israel is a muslim effort, period. Which you would know if you took the time to take your head out of the neogreen sand and informed yourself.
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kyushujoe
@Sarge
You do realise you're talking about 20% of the Israeli population? Overwhelmingly loyal, tax-paying, and Hebrew-speaking? If the States passed a law demanding a law demanding an oath of loyalty to a W.A.S.P. regime, would you tell the blacks, Catholics and Hispanics to just go?
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Sarge
kyushujoe - Most Israeli Arabs are happy to live in Israel, and your hypothetical question is ridiculous.
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neogreenjapan
How do you know? Been there? Or do you get your info from FOX media?
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kyushujoe
@Sarge
Two points:
1) I know they're happy to live there. They're good citizens. So why set out to undermine their happiness with petty, needless regulations like this, which will inevitably lead to them feeling marginalised?
2) Why do you call them "Israeli Arabs"? Would you say "American Africans," or "American Chinese"? Your language betrays a strange attitude to these people.
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Helter_Skelter
Over 90% of Arabs are Muslim. There are Christian populations but they are being attacked and murdered by Muslims in Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, etc. And Jews have pretty much been ethnically cleansed from the Arab nations.
Have you?
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Molenir
That depends, do they want to be citizens of Israel? If not, then no, they don't have to pledge loyalty to the state of Israel as it exists presently.
Another point. Israel and the US are different. Israel defines itself as the home of the Jews. It is a Jewish state. Now, if Utah seceded from the union, and formed itself as a state, claiming it was the Home of the Mormons, then you might have an analogous situation. With that in mind, if Arabs want to become citizens of Israel, knowing that it is in fact a Jewish state, then they have to follow the guidelines set out by the country in order to do that. Citizens of the US and of Japan, in order to become citizens, have to jump through some hoops as well. Is this oath really all that different?
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SuperLib
I just don't see what stuff like this changes. For people who are loyal and intend to remain loyal the oath is useless. For people who aren't loyal and have no plans to be loyal they'll just lie, making the oath useless.
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adaydream
I'm just sure that this bill will make non-jews feel more accepted and I'm sure that the jews will treat the non-jews much more equal and not second class any longer.
This is one of the dumbest things I've heard of since we used to cut our wrist as children and become blood brothers in some boys club. < :-)
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Helter_Skelter
Not surprising for progressives who don't believe in nations, let alone loyalty to one.
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kyushujoe
My goodness! I've just agreed with a SuperLib post. I need a drink....
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adaydream
If loyalty pledges were all that and a bag of chips we'd still have them. But we don't. Because they are written to satisfy the aims and goals of a few extreme conservatives. < :-)
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Helter_Skelter
We do.
The United States Oath of Allegiance (officially referred to as the "Oath of Allegiance," 8 C.F.R. Part 337 (2008)) is an oath that must be taken by all immigrants who wish to become United States citizens.
I'd venture to guess most countries have some sort of loyalty pledge. But predictably the progressives object to Israel having one, merely for political reasons.
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adaydream
Hmmm, I see your point. But I believe that there is a difference here. We're (The USA) looking for your allegiance to be a loyal US citizen, but not strip your heritage away from you.
To me, it looks like they want the new citizens to forfeit their heritage and from that point on they are not to recognize their heritage. Now I think I'm looking at it differently than you. I understand what you're saying. < :-)
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Molenir
They're not saying you can't keep your heritage. In point of fact, they're coming out and saying, that if you become a citizen of Israel, that you can't try to force them to give up theirs.
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