Israeli PM Olmert to resign after September party vote

Thursday 31st July, 04:33 AM JST

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kinniku at 08:35 PM JST - 1st August

I support a two state solution that provides for both a Palestinian and Israeli state. Not for a few years as Hamas seems to indicate, but forever.
kinniku at 08:47 PM JST - 1st August

Helter_Skelter,

Well, the present situation which has been made much worse by Olmert's lack of true leadership has tipped the power scale squarely in Hamas' hands. However, Palestinians traditionally do not have a history of religious fanaticism. I think Hamas won over the people of Gaza because of the charity work in the area and not because of a sudden religious change in the Palestinian population. However, I would agree there has been a dangerous shift in recent years that will make making and keeping a negotiating partner extremely difficult now. As I said, it is a shame Arafat did not take the chance he was given with Barak. Things would be a lot different and better for the Palestinians and Israelis if he did.

Olmert was never strong enough to make any sort of deal anyway.
kinniku at 09:01 PM JST - 1st August

netvistafire,

I am still suprised that you chose to ignore Sharon in 1982.

I chose to ignore him because his name is not Olmert. Can't you understand this is off-topic?

I did already come with an explanation about Olmert breaking the 4th Geneva Convention.

Again, what part of the convention did Olmert break? When? Where?

I also already explained about how Olmert is breaking international law by building the apartheid was which Hague has called illeagal.

The court at the Hague did note in 2004 that the wall was contrary to international law (the court's words, not mine). However, it did not rule that this was a war crime. It also did not rule that Olmert was responsible for it.

massacres of Palestinian people.

For example? Specifics? When? Where? Who?

by abiding to inernational law like Hamas and Palestinians are doing and give libertty and freedom to the Palestinians.

Hamas and other factions in Gaza have been lobbing rockets into Israel. That is not abiding by international law. If Hamas would like liberty and freedom, they should recognize Israel's right to exist and show a serious willingness to negotiate. Recently, I have seen some moves in this direction on the part of Hamas. They arrested some militants responsible for attacks on Israel recently. These are good developments. Hopefully, the next prime minister in Israel can make use of this positive direction to make a lasting peace for all concerned.
kinniku at 09:45 PM JST - 1st August

Before the creation of Israel there was no conflict between Christians and Muslims and Jews for that matter in Palestine.

This is incorrect. There were riots and killings amongst these groups against each other before Israel was established.
netvistafire at 10:06 PM JST - 1st August

I chose to ignore him because his name is not Olmert. Can't you understand this is off-topic?

I see. You "chose" to ingore a massacre in that scale and came with your cute remark about "coma"

Again, what part of the convention did Olmert break? When? Where?

We already talked about this earlier in the thread. Then you said but he apologized then I said it still is a crime. Will you choose to ignore this just as you chose to ignore Sharon?

Hamas and other factions in Gaza have been lobbing rockets into Israel. That is not abiding by international law.

Palestine is under seige. Lift the criminal seige and give liberty, freedom and stop the oppression of the Palestinians. Israel has been targeted by 65 UN resolutions. Palestinians 0. It is not the Palestinians who are breaking international law.

The court at the Hague did note in 2004 that the wall was contrary to international law (the court's words, not mine). However, it did not rule that this was a war crime. It also did not rule that Olmert was responsible for it.

If it is not the leader of a country who is reponsible for the illegal apartheid wall then who is? The workers? Doubtful. If you break a law then it becomes a crime. By breaking international law it becomes a crime even if it is committed by Israel.
USAPatriot at 04:19 AM JST - 2nd August

Helter Skelter

Great post, very interesting information there. People should understand the Muslims attitudes to Israel before supporting them.

Olmert may not be perfect, but he is definitley one of the good guys.
kinniku at 08:13 AM JST - 2nd August

I chose to ignore him because his name is not Olmert. Can't you understand this is off-topic?

I see. You "chose" to ingore a massacre in that scale and came with your cute remark about "coma"

No, in your now-removed remarks, you referred to Sharon stepping down in a sentence about Gaza. You did not write what he stepped down from. So, assuming at the time (incorrectly it seems) that you were on topic about Olmert, I thought you were talking about when Olmert took over. Where are not talking about 1982, never have been. This article is not about 1982.

Then you said but he apologized then I said it still is a crime. Will you choose to ignore this just as you chose to ignore Sharon?

Again, Sharon in 1982 has nothing to do with this discussion. We are supposed to be talking about Olmert. Israel and Olmert claim what happened was an accident. Do you have specific reason to believe that this incident was not an accident and that the apologies by Olmert and the govenment of Israel are somehow false? If not, you cannot proof the crime you are claiming that Olmert should be tried for in the Hague.

Palestine is under seige. Lift the criminal seige and give liberty, freedom and stop the oppression of the Palestinians.

Do you feel Palestine was under less or more 'seige' 20 years ago? Were there armed, officially recognized Palestinian military, police and government officials 20 years ago? Since the early 90's Palestinians have been given back (of course it is not enough, nor is it quick enough) land and they have also been officially armed. Israel even withdrew from Gaza. However, you are mistaken. The Palestinians have also broken international laws. Digging tunnels into Egypt and shooting rockets are also against international laws.

If you break a law then it becomes a crime. By breaking international law it becomes a crime even if it is committed by Israel.

Unless you are a member of the Hague (doubtful) it might be better to use the Hague's judgements in your statements. Your personal feelings do not affect international law not matter how much you claim otherwise. The court at the Hague did note in 2004 that the wall was contrary to international law (the court's words, not mine). However, it did not rule that this was a war crime. It also did not rule that Olmert was responsible for it. This is what the Hague said. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the Hague, not with me.
Helter_Skelter at 03:02 PM JST - 2nd August

netvistafire,

Hamas always wants a cese fire and a calm...

Hamas is an internationally recognized Islamic terrorist group, best known for its use of suicide bombers, and who's charter seeks the destruction of Israel. That's really all we need to know about Hamas.
LIBERTAS at 11:09 AM JST - 4th August

Considering Olmert started a war of aggression, that by itself makes him a war criminal. But, he has a long tradition of genocide to uphold. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/palestinians.html?q=palestinians.html
USAPatriot at 11:10 AM JST - 4th August

LIBERTAS; Hey, Israel is on the side of the good guys. He`s had to make hard decisions to protect his people from constant attacks by the evil doers. Hopefully a strong candidate similar to Sharon can take his place.
sabiwabi at 12:23 PM JST - 5th August

Before the creation of Israel there was no conflict between Christians and Muslims and Jews for that matter in Palestine. This is incorrect. There were riots and killings amongst these groups against each other before Israel was established.

I assume you are referring to the riots between the Jews and non-Jews immediately before Israel was recognized during the large influx of European Jews. You are splitting hairs again.

What he/she probably meant was that the Christians and Muslims and Jews all got along fine for centuries before the Zionists set out to take over the land.
kinniku at 01:13 PM JST - 5th August

sabiwabi,

assume you are referring to the riots between the Jews and non-Jews immediately before Israel was recognized during the large influx of European Jews

You assumed incorrectly. What I wrote is correct not only just before Israel was created but for quite some time beforehand. You often claim to have all the true, yet I am constantly amazed by you lack of specific knowledge of events. Do you need me to point you in the direction of proof again? By the way, I see you have time to comment on this, but still have no time to back up you assertion that Olmert has specifically met criteria to be tried at the Hague. Why is it that you never seem to be able to provide specific proof? It seems you really don't believe what you write.
kinniku at 01:17 PM JST - 5th August

LIBERTAS,

Sorry, you are incorrect. What started the horrible war in Lebanon was Hezbollah thinking Israel would not be willing to fight on two fronts, both Gaza and Lebanon. So, Hezbollah gambled with the lives of Lebanese citizens and decided to kill and capture Israeli soldiers. They did this even while being able to see how the results of a similar capture was reigning havok on Gaza.
sabiwabi at 07:47 PM JST - 11th August

Or as George Galloway would say, for you the clock started ticking when those soldiers were taken. The whole thing started much earlier.
kinniku at 06:13 PM JST - 12th August

Interesting attempt to change the subject. Hezbollah should not have crossed the border and captured those soldiers. In addition, they should not have been shooting rockets into Israel up to that point either.

Still waiting for your specific criteria. Funny how you have time to write this, but no time to back up your claims. Funny...but, not surprising.