Israel fires on Lebanon after rocket strike

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USARonin at 05:53 AM JST - 9th January

Adaydream, as usual, armed un-uniformed Hamas combatants purposefully set up their positions adjacent to civilian populations. They've always done this. Hamas has no concern whatsoever for civilian casualties.

Those Palestinians that receive any kind of medical treatment - conflict related or not - have to hide their identities from Hamas for fear of immediate murder of them and their families.

-Nice friends you support.
Thenewfront at 06:06 AM JST - 9th January

USARonin, You are acting like a tool. Bet you watch Fox News and believe Sean Hannitty.

It is known worldwide that the BBC has the worlds most trusted news service. As people in Russia, India, Malaysia and Britain of course. The majority will back the Beeb 100%. Their reports on the genocide are "fair and balanced". The invasion has caused coming up to 1,000 dead and thousand injured. Now the Israeli terrorists are embarking on an attack on Lebanon to satisfy their blood thirsty desires!

America says "Israel is justified". USARonin, Your leaders sicken me and all moral decent folk.
adaydream at 06:06 AM JST - 9th January

I think I heard that they were Palestinian insurgents that were tired of seeing their country being devistated by heathens. They got hold of some weapontry and fought back.

How, posting here, wouldn't fight back against aggressors if your country/city was being attacked?

This is the same thing that happened in Iraq. If it wasn't for the insurgents, then that sweet little war would have been over in a matter of 30 days. But.... those damn insurgents.

Please tell Isreal for me I said thanks. < :-)
Thenewfront at 06:14 AM JST - 9th January

USARonin, THe UN only has no power as America will veto anything against it's darling Israel.
USARonin at 06:22 AM JST - 9th January

THe UN only has no power ...

That's just silly. The feelin's of the United Nations Security Council ar wounded.
grafton at 07:32 AM JST - 9th January

I’m curious about something, why do all the UN people working in Gasa have Arabic names, is it too dangerous for none Arabs to work there? I am not in any way disparaging the honesty of these good people, I’m sure that they would never tell a lie to aid them in their mission to save lives, not even if it meant putting their own lives at risk. I'm sure Hamas would understand the need for the truth being told.

Look beyond what is being said for why it might be being said in the first place.

BTW. Anybody that knows anything about the BBC knows better than to believe that old myth about their honesty. People should read what the British press have to say about the BBC & then they would never be fooled again.
FromEurope at 07:38 AM JST - 9th January

USARonin :

Just be realistic. UN is useless. While they are debating about the cease-fire, the conflict is getting worse. UN couldn't stop the US Iraq invasion.
Betzee at 11:16 AM JST - 9th January

If would seem we can broadly group the arguments in support of Israel's assault on Gaza into three categories:

1) Magnitude versus proportionality. This involves pointing out others have killed more. Yep, you can always find someone who is responsible for a larger number of deaths. This becomes a race to the bottom and no deterrent to the use of force as long as somebody else, somewhere on the planet, has killed more. By contrast, focusing on "proportionality" forces one to look at it from a very different perspective.

2) Jewish contributions to the world outweigh those of Muslims. As any prosecutor will tell you, "Never let a high-priced defense attorney make it about who contributed more to society, the defendant or the victim?" However much you have contributed, it doesn't given you the right to take the law into your own hands.

3) Right to self-defense. Hamas, after all, is a terrorist organization. Yet it's one Israel helped nurture. Back in 1987, when it was founded, Israel viewed Yasser Arafat’s Fatah movement with growing unease and calculated, with tragic consequences, that a religious rival could only serve to undermine him. All those Muslim fundamentalists would be occupied fulfilling their five times a day prayer requirement and not pose as much of an irritant as demanding secularists. So Jerusalem cracked down on Fatah, leaving the field open to Hamas. And everyone knows the rest (particularly those who never comment on Israel's role in Hamas' rise).

There may be others but I have yet to see anything which presents a logical defense rather than one built ad hoc arguments (which can be abandoned in a flash to denounce other demonstrations of disproportionate force in response to provocation).

To be fair, there's still one voice to be heard. Joe the Plumber is on his way to Israel to counteract liberal bias in the media. Looks like JTP will have a chance to test his metal in the shtetl.

why do all the UN people working in Gasa have Arabic names,

You mean Muslim names? Arab is a race, not religion and most Middle Eastern Muslim countries have minority Catholic populations who have, wonders never cease, Christian names.
likeitis at 01:59 PM JST - 9th January

Just be realistic. UN is useless. While they are debating about the cease-fire, the conflict is getting worse. UN couldn't stop the US Iraq invasion.

The U.N. is not useless. It is only people who understand nothing less than absolute iron rule who say that. The U.N. has power, but it just isn't the hard and fast power of the gun nor the fear tactics of the fascist. Whatever the U.N. does, it will take time. Such is the nature of truth and justice. The impatient get neither.
YangYong at 08:06 PM JST - 9th January

Muscles: You may well have read 'Plan D', maybe even beyond its opening, but you failed to put it into context; how it was implemented and how its implementation in turn affected the people it was directed against. It's like reading the Declaration of Independence in isolation and not acknowledging the who, what, why or when OR its, and here's the key, consequences. You're at best a laymen in the interpretation of the 'here and now' of people's lives. A poor historian which affects your understanding.

Moderator: Please address other posters by their correct user names.
kinniku at 09:25 PM JST - 9th January

YangYong,

Please...you asked me to read Plan D. I did. I had read it a long time ago, however for your benefit I read it again and quoted it for you. It did not say what you suggested it did. You want to tell me which 'respected' authorities on Plan D I should read. Why is it you are unaware of other equally respected authorities on Plan D who respectfully disagree with the people you mentioned.

You speak of me being a 'layman' with regard to history. At least I actually know what is in the material I suggest others read. You just wanted me to read commentary you agree with neglecting contradictory commentary. Hardly well-balanced and not particularly honest either.
JackBerstein at 11:12 PM JST - 9th January

Yeah, I'm with madverts. 600 deaths isn't genocide.

Your probably right if you are referring only to this month's attack. But this genocide is at least 6 decades long, of israelis murdering, displacing, abusing, imprisoning the Palestinians. This is genocide, no doubt about it.
WilliB at 07:00 PM JST - 12th January

JackBernstein:

" Your probably right if you are referring only to this month's attack. But this genocide is at least 6 decades long, of israelis murdering, displacing, abusing, imprisoning the Palestinians. This is genocide, no doubt about it. "

Since the founding of Israel, the muslim-Arab population in the area has multiplied (including a 15% muslim-Arab population in Israel proper itself. How in the world is a rapidly increasing population "genocide"??

Why do Westerner keep buying into this muslim propaganda?
WilliB at 06:19 PM JST - 14th January

How typical reporting --- the news is not that Hizb-allah fires rockets on Israel. The news is that Israel fires back.

By the way, aren´t those UN monitors crawling all over Southern Lebanon supposed to prevent such Hizb-allah attacks? That was what we were told back then, remember?
Molenir at 06:38 AM JST - 15th January

In one of the news articles I read, it said they found several other rockets that were set to be fired on Israel, and stopped them.