Israeli troops mobilize as Gaza assault widens

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Helter_Skelter at 04:00 PM JST - 29th December

If Israel does/did give such lands back, will/would that end the conflict?

Of course not. The Muslim Arabs have sought the destruction of Israel since its creation by the UN in 1948. It's about ridding the Middle East of the "Infidel". Giving back land Israel won in defensive wars isn't going to make a difference. The Muslim Arabs have 600 times the amount of land as Israel. Where are the Muslim Arabs to help their "Palestinian" brothers? Is the propaganda just too good to help them?
shiuu at 04:06 PM JST - 29th December

itcher:

Israel is bombing the Gaza Egypt border and making sure Egypt does not open up the border. It is an Israeli occupation so it is Israel which control the border with Egypt. Egypt is not occupying Gaza.

Neither is Israel. It evicted all the Jews from Gaza in 2005.

By the way, as the article points out, Egypt closed its border with Gaza after Hamas took power in June 2007. So, unless Israel's been bombing it continuously since then, your point about Israel forcing Egypt to keep the border closed makes no sense.

From the article:

Egypt, which has served as a mediator between Israel and the Palestinians as well as between Hamas and its rival Fatah, has been criticized for joining Israel in closing its borders with Gaza. The blockade was imposed immediately after the Hamas takeover in June 2007.
shams at 04:15 PM JST - 29th December

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If Israel does/did give such lands back, will/would that end the conflict?

I believe that this will end the conflict. Eygpt and Jordan are examples
mael at 06:18 PM JST - 29th December

So the International Parasites are building up to an occupation of the Gaza. This will be interesting.

The US-supplied "Israel" is going to get another whipping once they stop their heroic bombing and straffing of a defenseless people in an area (they think and hope) is out of supplies.

I mean come on people! What more evidence does on need to see who the terrorists really are? The Zionist West and those who have a 2nd home in "Israel" of course.

Ah well! Once the IDF tries to occupy the Gaza we'll have another 'Lebanon' where the "Israelis" get another rude awakening.

This is a fratricidal war. If only the "Zionists" didn't control politics in the West they'd be left to their own devices and have to compromise using diplomacy rather than the usual Jewish fare of genocide.

The ol' powder-keg is getting a few sparks on it again. I hope it blows. The real terrorists shall be known by their actions. (Oy vey).
Badsey at 06:20 PM JST - 29th December

lesson on terrorism: Never give into it. Israel has made many concessions and it has gotten nowhere.
USARonin at 06:23 PM JST - 29th December

Heh, heh... Yes, Mael, history shows time and time again how the Israelis are a bunch of nancy boys who're always gettin' their butts handed to them by all of those peace-lovin' Arab entities.
SuperLib at 07:04 PM JST - 29th December

There is hate in both sides, however as I said look at the numbers, check how many children were killed from both sides and you can understand what I mean.

That argument sounds good but doesn't hold much water. The militants are firing a bunch of badly made rockets into Israel at random. Israel is forced to pinpoint specific targets in heavily populated areas. The numbers in no way prove how kind/brutal the other side is.

If Hamas and Israel switched weapons, do you think Hamas would be killing more or fewer innocents than Israel is? I think the answer to that question gives you better evidence as to the mindset of each side. The militants attack to the extent that they can and are only limited by the sophistication of their weapons. It has nothing to do with being kind of reasonable. If they could kill more they would...a lot more. People expect Israel to carry Hamas for a few rounds until they have the capability to kill just as many Jews which is absurd.
SuperLib at 07:09 PM JST - 29th December

Compare what Israel does to Palestinians and what Palestinians do to other Palestinians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BattleofGaza_(2007)

"After the re-ignition of the Fatah-Hamas conflict on June 10, Hamas militants seized several Fatah members and threw one of them, Mohammed Sweirki, an officer in the elite Palestinian Presidential Guard, off the top of the tallest building in Gaza, a 15-story apartment building. In retaliation, Fatah militants attacked and killed the imam of the city's largest mosque, Mohammed al-Rifati. They also opened fire on the home of Prime Minister Ismail Haniya. Just before midnight, a Hamas militant was thrown off a 12-story building."

"Human Rights Watch accused both sides with violations of international humanitarian law, in some cases amounting to war crimes.[15] The accusations include the targeting and killing of civilians, public executions of political opponents and captives, throwing prisoners off high-rise apartment buildings, fighting in hospitals, and shooting from a jeep marked with "TV" insignias.[14] The International Committee of the Red Cross has denounced attacks in and around two hospitals in the northern part of the Gaza strip."

It's time for the world to finally expose what the militants do to the Palestinian people. For whatever reason it's been kept under the rug for far too long.
USARonin at 07:16 PM JST - 29th December

Muslims also use "ambulances" and "weddin' parties" to move weapons and explosives into and out of Gaza, as well as tryin' to get them through Israeli checkpoints within Israel. It's a trick that never get old for the bad guys but of couse the Israelis are on to it.

One guy was upset because the Israelis were hinderin' Muslim ambulances.

No kiddin'. So would I.
BlackFlag at 07:28 PM JST - 29th December

well shucks pard'ner that'd get me a mite riled too, mebbe riled enough to roun' me up a posse an' fill them varmints full o' holes
USARonin at 07:29 PM JST - 29th December

If I can see daylight through 'em, then we're off to a good start.
bobbafett at 07:39 PM JST - 29th December

How can people claim that the Palestinians are innocent when it was them that voted Hamas into power? Do you think that the Palestinian people thought that Hamas would send flowers and doves to Israel? Hell no, they knew exactly how Hamas would approach the "peace process". Zero peace ever under any circumstances. So now they what they voted for. Hamas erupts into violence and Israel responds within its means. I feel bad for the kids but when you have parents who dress them up as martyrs etc, you kind of lose heart for the plight of the Palestinians.
Sarge at 07:42 PM JST - 29th December

Hey, Mael, what do you think of Bobbafett's post?
bobbafett at 10:29 PM JST - 29th December

Sarge old Buddy,

Mael has nothing to say because the truth hurts. and in regards to the awesome arsenal of Israel compared to the quassim rocket power of the Hamas boys....People who line in glasshouses should not throw stones.
WilliB at 12:36 PM JST - 2nd January

Nandakamanda:

" 1. What lands are we talking about? Is this 100% clear to all concerned? 2. If Israel does/did give such lands back, will/would that end the conflict? "

We are talking about all of Israel. Read the Hamas charter! And yes, it would end the conflict. It would also end existance of the state of Israel.