'What does Watergate have to do with the very valid questions an American voter.'
I was just pointing out how low and dirty Republicans are prepared to go in using plumbers to help them cling onto power. The last time they used plumbers was during the Watergated brake-in. A REPUBLICAN president hd to resign in disgrace over it. And some Republicans were flung into jail over it. The republicans have a track record of dirty, illegal politics. Let's not forget that. From brake-ins to swiftboating, the Republicans have no equals.
Republicans will probably use plumbers just about as much as democrats constantly use their parade of hapless victims they use to scare the populace with.
No license? I'm not letting someone without a license clunk around in my throne room. (Would rather not fall through the floor Sunday morning while reading the papers.)
Under McCain, the top 1% that's fleecing the country right now will continue to fleece the country. The road to hell is paved with republicans, my friends.
Sez - You're right - I didn't mean to say 98% of small businesses make over $250,000. I meant to say a heck of a lot more than 2% of small businesses make more than $250,000. If a business has even just half a dozen employees, it would need to earn that much just to make their payroll. This is just common sense.
And get this -
Obama: "How many plumbers do you know that make a quarter million dollars a year?"
How condescending can you get? Why, there's no way a lowly plumber or plumbing business can make $250,000 a year!
He wasn't being condescending like RNC putting down community activists. People who actually try to better this country. He was making comments about a guy ("a plumber")who lied on TV to try and make Obama look bad. The media checked out his story and he was caught in all of his lies. Remember in another thread you told me this is the guy you want invite over for dinner. You still want him over? Is it because of the plumbing experience? Or the lying experience?
I really think that Obama is talking about income after business expenses. I don't think employee salaries are part of that income. Neither would be the cost of pipe wrenches.
Sez - Could be. Obama hasn't said exactly what he means. I suspect he doesn't really know.
jwills- Joe the Plumber didn't tell any lies, he just told Obama that he wanted to buy a plumbing business that would put him in Obama's tax increase.
And Obama was indeed being condescending when he said, "How many plumbers do you know that make a quarter million dollars a year?"
I can't stand the guy...
Besides rampant racism in the U.S., there's also a war in the U.S. on the intelligentsia is why some people don't like Obama. A lot of people won't vote for him because he's Black. If McCain becomes president he'll be caught in all his own lies. He's not going to do all the things he says he's going to do. It's just B.S. for the show. Obama is young. If he isn't elected president this year, he will be once McCain is ousted from office. If my pipes were broken, I'd call someone who has a plumbing license.
Why would you expect that a relatively intelligent guy whose income was $4.2M last year wouldn't know what he was talking about? Why wouldn't you construe what he has said in the way that makes sense--as opposed to a way in which it does not make sense?
I can and have fixed the pipes at my parents home. I have even replaced the toilet. And you?
The plumber did lie: 1) He is not plumber in the State he lives in. 2) He has admitted that his company makes nowwhere near $250,000. 3) He also admitted that he is not close at all to buying the company and Obamas tax wouldnt affect him.
How does Obamas plan stop him from buying the company again? He doesnt have the money and owes taxes. Obamas tax plan hasnt started yet and he is blaming him for his fantasy problems. How ignorant is that? The only truth was he wants to buy the company. Everything else was fantasy that was proven false. It was proven he owes back taxes and he would benefit from Obama`s plan.
jwills - Joe the Plumber never said his company makes $250,000, he said he WANTS to have a company that makes $250,000. I guess having the American dream is a crime these days. Sheesh.
Hey, if you can fix pipes and replace toilets, can you come over to my place? My toilet's been acting up and I can't fix it!
Sarge at 11:52 AM JST - 23rd October
jwills - Joe the Plumber never said his company makes $250,000, he said
he WANTS to have a company that makes $250,000. I guess having the
American dream is a crime these days. Sheesh.
Sheeeeeesh Sarge, there you go making things up..... Have you seen the tape? Or are you just listening to the Right wing spin machine?
Well goood ole Joe the want to be plumber did in fact say he was going to buy a company that makes, wait let me let Joe tell it how it is....
Joe please will you help Sarge get the fact straight...
"I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year," Wurzelbacher said. "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?"
Hmmmmm Sarge if you need an Independent voters help here it is......The web site to which you can find what he said is.......
Sarge I am a bit confused, didn`t you state the below
jwills - Joe the Plumber never said his company makes $250,000, he
said he WANTS to have a company that makes $250,000. I guess having the
American dream is a crime these days. Sheesh.
And Joe told Obama that he was about to buy a company that makes 250 270 280,000 per year.
I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand **
**dollars a year
When in fact he never said he wanted to make 250,000 dollars a year. He said that the company he is about to buy MAKES 250,000+ per year.
Sarge I just want to make sure I did not make a mistake.....Did you tell jwills the first comment?
jwills - Joe the Plumber never said his company makes $250,000, he
said he WANTS to have a company that makes $250,000. I guess having
the American dream is a crime these days. Sheesh.
Or was I mistaken? If I am mistaken then and you did not make that comment then I apologize, but if I didnt make a mistake then sheesh. LOL
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buttamimi at 02:00 PM JST - 19th October
'What does Watergate have to do with the very valid questions an American voter.'
I was just pointing out how low and dirty Republicans are prepared to go in using plumbers to help them cling onto power. The last time they used plumbers was during the Watergated brake-in. A REPUBLICAN president hd to resign in disgrace over it. And some Republicans were flung into jail over it. The republicans have a track record of dirty, illegal politics. Let's not forget that. From brake-ins to swiftboating, the Republicans have no equals.
Gyudon at 10:08 AM JST - 20th October
Republicans will probably use plumbers just about as much as democrats constantly use their parade of hapless victims they use to scare the populace with.
SiouxGirl at 02:48 AM JST - 21st October
No license? I'm not letting someone without a license clunk around in my throne room. (Would rather not fall through the floor Sunday morning while reading the papers.)
Under McCain, the top 1% that's fleecing the country right now will continue to fleece the country. The road to hell is paved with republicans, my friends.
Sarge at 09:13 AM JST - 21st October
Sez - You're right - I didn't mean to say 98% of small businesses make over $250,000. I meant to say a heck of a lot more than 2% of small businesses make more than $250,000. If a business has even just half a dozen employees, it would need to earn that much just to make their payroll. This is just common sense.
And get this -
Obama: "How many plumbers do you know that make a quarter million dollars a year?"
How condescending can you get? Why, there's no way a lowly plumber or plumbing business can make $250,000 a year!
jwills79 at 09:56 AM JST - 21st October
Sarge,
He wasn't being condescending like RNC putting down community activists. People who actually try to better this country. He was making comments about a guy ("a plumber")who lied on TV to try and make Obama look bad. The media checked out his story and he was caught in all of his lies. Remember in another thread you told me this is the guy you want invite over for dinner. You still want him over? Is it because of the plumbing experience? Or the lying experience?
SezWho2 at 06:52 AM JST - 22nd October
Sarge,
I really think that Obama is talking about income after business expenses. I don't think employee salaries are part of that income. Neither would be the cost of pipe wrenches.
EurajReturns at 09:31 PM JST - 22nd October
Way to go, "Sam the Non-Plumber."
Sarge at 09:50 PM JST - 22nd October
Sez - Could be. Obama hasn't said exactly what he means. I suspect he doesn't really know.
jwills- Joe the Plumber didn't tell any lies, he just told Obama that he wanted to buy a plumbing business that would put him in Obama's tax increase. And Obama was indeed being condescending when he said, "How many plumbers do you know that make a quarter million dollars a year?" I can't stand the guy...
"Way to go, Sam the Non-Plumber"
He could fix your pipes if they broke. Could you?
SiouxGirl at 02:17 AM JST - 23rd October
Besides rampant racism in the U.S., there's also a war in the U.S. on the intelligentsia is why some people don't like Obama. A lot of people won't vote for him because he's Black. If McCain becomes president he'll be caught in all his own lies. He's not going to do all the things he says he's going to do. It's just B.S. for the show. Obama is young. If he isn't elected president this year, he will be once McCain is ousted from office. If my pipes were broken, I'd call someone who has a plumbing license.
SezWho2 at 08:14 AM JST - 23rd October
Sarge,
Why would you expect that a relatively intelligent guy whose income was $4.2M last year wouldn't know what he was talking about? Why wouldn't you construe what he has said in the way that makes sense--as opposed to a way in which it does not make sense?
jwills79 at 11:39 AM JST - 23rd October
Sarge,
I can and have fixed the pipes at my parents home. I have even replaced the toilet. And you?
The plumber did lie: 1) He is not plumber in the State he lives in. 2) He has admitted that his company makes nowwhere near $250,000. 3) He also admitted that he is not close at all to buying the company and Obama
s tax wouldnt affect him.How does Obama
s plan stop him from buying the company again? He doesnt have the money and owes taxes. Obamas tax plan hasnt started yet and he is blaming him for his fantasy problems. How ignorant is that? The only truth was he wants to buy the company. Everything else was fantasy that was proven false. It was proven he owes back taxes and he would benefit from Obama`s plan.Joe is
little bus special.Sarge at 11:52 AM JST - 23rd October
jwills - Joe the Plumber never said his company makes $250,000, he said he WANTS to have a company that makes $250,000. I guess having the American dream is a crime these days. Sheesh.
Hey, if you can fix pipes and replace toilets, can you come over to my place? My toilet's been acting up and I can't fix it!
JoeBigs at 12:05 PM JST - 23rd October
Sheeeeeesh Sarge, there you go making things up..... Have you seen the tape? Or are you just listening to the Right wing spin machine?
Well goood ole Joe the want to be plumber did in fact say he was going to buy a company that makes, wait let me let Joe tell it how it is....
Joe please will you help Sarge get the fact straight...
"I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year," Wurzelbacher said. "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?"
Hmmmmm Sarge if you need an Independent voters help here it is......The web site to which you can find what he said is.......
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/
A fair and balanced site....LOL
Sarge at 04:21 PM JST - 23rd October
JoeBigs - Your own post and quote from Joe the Plumber confirms that what I said is correct. Give credit where credit is due. Sheesh.
JoeBigs at 09:31 AM JST - 24th October
Sarge I am a bit confused, didn`t you state the below
And Joe told Obama that he was about to buy a company that makes 250 270 280,000 per year.
When in fact he never said he wanted to make 250,000 dollars a year. He said that the company he is about to buy MAKES 250,000+ per year.
Sarge I just want to make sure I did not make a mistake.....Did you tell jwills the first comment?
Or was I mistaken? If I am mistaken then and you did not make that comment then I apologize, but if I didnt make a mistake then sheesh. LOL