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adaydream
From brilliant politician to a damn idiot all in one campaign. Not only did he bring himself down and his campaign manager but all the while his wife has cancer. < :-)
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dontknockit
Does marital fidelity cure cancer? Does it? Look, your presumptions about what rules Mr. and Mrs. Edwards have, this is from the horses mouth:
Having cancer she may not have felt very randy and may have been tolerant of his affair. Patricians are like that whether mere Plebians understand or not. Small minded presumptions about sex are probably one of the things that keeps the little people down. But I should think her appeal to "butt out" could be understood by everyone.
The only think I fault Edwards for is causing a pregnancy. It was the only dumb thing he did and it was really dumb. The rest is admitting one's humanity.
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adaydream
dontknockit, I wasn't referring to sex in the least. That was the farthest thing from my mind.
I've had several friends who have died from cancer these past 4 years and two I was there till the bitter end. The comfort, the knowing you're there for them, the attention. That's what I'm talking about. She might not be on her death bed right now or right then, but the attention she lost because he cared for himself too much. < :-)
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Odogma
What an embarrassment.
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Altria
Lying, cheating, denying, attempting a cover-up, then owning up apologising when there's no other option left - what a piece of work.
He's definitely got what it takes to be a politician.
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Helter_Skelter
Yup, definite presidential material.
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michaelqtodd
Totally dishonest, very stupid and selfish as well. Where do they find these people? No wonder Dubya was able to win in 2004 with this level of opposition
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Odogma
'“Get a doctor to fake the DNA results,” Young said Edwards told him.'
I had read that Sen. Edwards was member of the party that, unlike their opponents, believed science and its laws should be respected.
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USNinJapan2
Helter Skelter
Exactly. Did Edwards really think that the fact that he had a secret illegitimate child would never become public somehow if he was elected President? Thank god he never got that far.
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dontknockit
Oh ok. So I can take this to mean that he was supposed to drop everything, including his senatorship and political aspriations to be by his wife's side? May I remind you that she didn't die?
Did you know that Nancy Reagan had cancer during Ronald's second term of office? Was he supposed to drop everything too?
Hey, nobody is perfect. But without knowing just how much time he gave his wife, I think it wise to refrain from such an accusation. If he had spent just as much time with his lover as with his mother, I doubt anyone would complain. We don't ignore the people we love just because one is sick. That said, his wife is not talking like she was denied anything or that he was selfish. Why not listen to her instead of being so presumptuous?
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adaydream
dontknockit you can defend Edwards all you want. You're just looking to argue with some twisted thinking.
Have a good evening. < :-)
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dontknockit
You don't know what it means to disrespect science. Messing with one personal result is not a disrespect to science, but is an act of a Democrat. Messing with ALL public results is disrespecting science, and that is the act of a Republican.
I will tell you whom Edwards disrespected by that order: it was you and everybody else who thought this aspect of his life was somehow your business. And I would say all the high and mighty presumptive little people richly earned that disrespect, surely as I give it to you now.
If Edwards tried hide the facts of paternity, it was because nosey little gossip (explicative deleted) don't have lives of their own to mind. He is doing the right thing now, not to please those on high horses, but because its the right thing to do. Too bad he could not have done it sooner without torpedoing his political career. So blame yourself for what happened, not Edwards.
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goddog
Good boy Eddie. Time for a pipe cut. It does not hurt. I had it done as did my brothers.
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USNinJapan2
don'tknockit
No, but it does speak volumes as to the character of a married person who can carry on an affair while his wife suffers from cancer.
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Odogma
"Did Edwards really think that the fact that he had a secret illegitimate child would never become public somehow if he was elected President?"
He was counting on the notoriously impartial American media to keep it from his wife :)
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adaydream
USNinJapan2, don't try real logic on don'tknockit. He's got some twisted thinking. He'll never understand your post.
But it does speak for the character of the man. < :-)
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WhiteHawk
I think it's a bit of a stretch to describe Edwards as a "brilliant politician". More than a stretch, really.
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dontknockit
And what does it say about your character when you make such grand presumptions about this and pick at it despite that same cancer victim's declaration that its not your business? It looks to me like the media and everyone who just had to know caused her more pain than Edwards did.
I never dug into this because its not my business. I only reply because presumptive gossipers can't just shut up. So I did some investigating. Here, read about how the woman herself feels about all if it. Never mind you and your character of presumptive speaking. Try putting your character of ignoring cancer victim's wishes aside for a moment. Consider that John may have given his wife quality time rather than quantity time. Consider what it takes to put on a brave face for your wife rather than a worn haggard one.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/30681150/
You might also consider that the woman has a life of her own since her most recent cancer diagnosis. I don't think she wants John acting like a Siamese twin. I think she just might want life to proceed normally instead of like a death watch.
Now, go ahead and make this about John again. I don't expect your character to become so good in one go.
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dontknockit
Yeah, pretty twisted of me to consider the feelings of the woman who has cancer. How dare I? What audacity! What is important to her is not actually important to her. What is important to you and every gossip crazy American is actually waht is important to her. Why couldn't I see it before?
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kp123
This John Edwards thing is damn scary; he might have become our 44th president instead of Obama. Can't imagine the repercussions he would have had on U.S. politics as crucial as they are today. It would've paralyzed his agenda as it did to Bill Clinton at the tail-end of his term. The Democrats really know how to pick them. Of course, this infidelity would've come out during the campaign and lead the Dems toward their defeat in the end had he been nominated, I suppose.
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adaydream
USNinJapan2
Can you imagine the how callas a man is who plays around on his wife when he's away? How easy it would be to put on a happy face on for her when you know that you've got a mistress waiting for you?
While John was there he could be kissing her butt, but all the while infatuating on another woman. Whether tending to her every need with a open heart or not, once he leaves the house he can play with his mistress.
Then when the country finds out her comment is, paraphrased - I'm glad he finally owned up to it so we can deal with this and try to go on.
Any man, let alone John Edwards, is lower than a snail's belly. < :-)
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Odogma
Comments here from "dontknockit" are those of a blind partisan who is not the least bit interested in the truth but who simply cheers journalists when they flatter his brand of politician. The rest he denounces as "nosey little gossips." Especially entertaining is the desperation in his attempts to turn criticism of the degenerate hypocrite John Edwards back on posters such as USNJapan2 or adaydream.
The following is from the 14 Jan record of the site NewsObserver.com
"The book [Game Change] paints a particularly hideous scene on the morning in the fall of 2008 after the Enquirer reported Edwards' affair - the political couple's trip to the airport devolving into a screaming, sobbing confrontation. Elizabeth reportedly ripped off her blouse and exposed herself, shouting "Look at me!"
"Many will argue these are prurient details, but they make for a fascinating counterpoint to the conventional portrait of the Edwardses. Knowing that her husband had cheated on her - just months after her cancer returned and been deemed incurable - why did she insist Edwards continue his push for the Oval Office?"
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adaydream
Any man, let alone John Edwards, is lower than a snail's belly. < :-)
S/B Any man who would do this, let alone John Edwards, is lower than a snail's belly. < :-)
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RomeoRamenII
And the democrats wanted him to be U.S. Vice President. (rolleyes)
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dontknockit
That was no more your business than the affair itself. I really did not want to know. And more to blame than John for her finding out is the press and the people who eat the crap the National Enquirer sprews.
Don't worry fellas, your time may come. It may not be an affair, but if and when your wife or children get sick some fool who does not know the half of it might come along and criticize your handling of it. You may be called a selfish insensitive A-hole for not devoting enough time, or you might get the same for wearing yourself out and making a poor show of it all.
I don't know what keeps you dudes stable and productive. Maybe its alcohol, the bong, chocolate parfaits, or soccer. Everyone has their vice. And any time you take to indulge in those is time you could have spent with a sick loved one. My vice is women, and I find having a relationship with a mistress to be far more fulfilling and than any other sort of friendship, and more pure than most any other vice. I don't think I will grieve for anyone before they die. I don't think anyone wants that. I know I wouldn't. But if and when your turn comes and somebody criticizes you for having any pleasure at all, or so much as visiting a friend, I hope you won't be dumb enough to take their side. I hope you do what it takes to keep your spirits up for the sake of the people who need to see that. And I hope some self-righteous idiot wont visit the hospital to tell that loved one things about you that will hurt them. But if its you in the hospital, I hope everything goes to hell for you so bad that you send John and Elizabeth Edwards e-mails of apology on behalf of all the people who thought this was their business to meddle in. It would not have hurt Elizabeth if she did not know. I blame those who told, irregardless of a sick woman's feelings.
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dontknockit
As if you would not be hoping your sick wife goes to bed soon so you can enjoy your porn! Come off it dude. You are not Superman either. And if and when your turn comes, remember the hand you had in setting the tone.
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Madverts
Bah, this is old news and frankly - the Democrats scandals are just plain boooring compared to the last few Repub shockers.
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USNinJapan2
dontknockit
You seem to have carefully or inadvertently left it unclear in your post above, but are you yourself married?
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ShonanMaruNo2
Edwards' fall from glory will pale in comparison to Obama's.
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michaelqtodd
So is the investigation based around whether or not he paid Ms Hunter to shut up using electoral funds? Why are these investigations secret? Hopefully he will do some time in the big house if that is in fact what he did
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dontknockit
I am. And she has an inkling of my habits. But if anyone blabbed and made it all crystal clear I would smash their faces in. Blabbing is a supremely hurtful and selfish thing to do. And you have no moral high ground if you do it, not even over a cheater. And now I ask you, do you know anything about Elizabeth Edwards? John is not a devil for having a mistress. He is a saint for staying with her for 33 years and only one mistress known! That is something you guys really don't get. Google her and imagine if she was your wife of 33 years. Mind you, she was cute back in 77. But this is not 1977. John's balls were probably very blue long before his wife got cancer. And she has lived more than a year and probably will live several more. Is John supposed to mope about the house, blue balls in hand all that time? If that is what it means to be a saint in everyone's book, I will be the devil thanks.
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dontknockit
Its an interesting thing to think about. Is covering up the parts of your private life that could sink your election hopes a proper use of campaign funds? I can tell you that if I donated to a candidate, I would approve of that use of my money. That is because its the public actions that make me support a candidate or not, not his sex life.
Because a whole lot that is not public business will be dredged up in the process. We know too much already. If that does not convince you then I have to assume you can't tell what is and what is not your business.
I would rather dream up punishments for the public who necessitated that use of funds. A good kick in the balls sounds nice. I guess I will have to be satisfied imagining when their turn comes, and they get to sleep in the bed they made. All the vilifying of Edwards et. al. has done is set the tone for us all. So much for foresight.
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adaydream
don'tknockit
Yes he is. He married her. She's his wife. John Edwards has/had a responsibility to be faithful to Elizabeth Edwards only. Remember the part, for better or for worse? That's what marriage is. If you're not faithful to your wife, so be it. < :-)
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WhiteHawk
Wow, we agree on something. ;-)
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dontknockit
Typical Plebe! You think everything is about sex! For better or for worse is not about sex! Its about staying married! And John did that despite a whole lot of worse! And marriage is not about sex either! Sex, sex, sex! Maybe if you branched out a little, you might realize that not everything is about sex! Or at least you would be able to think about other aspects of life and not be such a wife slave!
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amerijap
Just like Mark McGwire admitted using steroids for almost the decades, the former vice president candidate decided to confront his past-- infidelity. Well, who does he owe apology the most, other than his wife?
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