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Kidnapped Italian activist found dead in Gaza

World Apr. 16, 2011 - 03:50AM JST ( 15 )

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TriumvereApr. 16, 2011 - 09:34AM JST

As ye reap so shall ye sow. No, I'm not talking about poor Mr. Arrigoni, but rather Hamas, which has utilized and promoted violence and hatred in furtherance of its goals. Is it any surprise that such terrible instruments have grown out of their control?
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MangamanApr. 16, 2011 - 10:14AM JST

Triumvere you spun everything into complete silliness. It is quite possible that Hamas will one day lose out to the more violent and radical Salafi, just as Fatah lost out to the more violent and radical Hamas.

Its Israel reaping what it has sown here. The more Palestinians are oppressed and their independence denied, the more violent and radical they will become. Its no mystery. For any uprising, its always the same.

Had Israel recognized Palestinian independence back when it was declared in 1989, Fatah, or even some other group preferable to Hamas might still be in power and Salafi would probably not exist in Palestine. Arrigoni would certainly still be alive.

Of course Salafi is still responsible and a pack of idiots for doing this. But to overlook Israel's role is like Ted Bundy's mom crying in court that Ted is such a good boy and could not possibly have done anything wrong.
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TriumvereApr. 16, 2011 - 10:39AM JST

Triumvere you spun everything into complete silliness. It is quite possible that Hamas will one day lose out to the more violent and radical Salafi, just as Fatah lost out to the more violent and radical Hamas.

Cool story, bro. Only what it doesn't take into account is how much better Fatah is doing in the West Bank than Hamas is doing in Gaza.
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MangamanApr. 16, 2011 - 11:26AM JST

Why should I take those into account? Because you know nothing of geography, topography and history? Gaza was no picnic under Fatah either. Seems you have got no clue why.
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TriumvereApr. 16, 2011 - 11:34AM JST

I'm just puzzled as to why you seem to think that what the Palestinian gov't in charge of Gaza does is totally irrelevant to the realities on the ground.
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MangamanApr. 16, 2011 - 11:43AM JST

I am puzzled as to what you mean by your question.

The Palestinian government in charge of Gaza (if one were to recognize it as a government) are relevant to this discussion how? (Other than their failure to prevent the murder of Arrigoni by the non-Hamas group Salafi.)
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Lieberman2012Apr. 16, 2011 - 11:49AM JST

Tragic and indefensible. Even those who seek to help the campers in Palestine end up slaughtered like animals.
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MangamanApr. 16, 2011 - 03:23PM JST

One man is not plural Lieberman, therefore your use of the word "those" is an obvious and lame attempt to inflate this beyond the reality.

Help the campers in Palestine? No. Arrigoni was not there to help Israeli settlers.
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Lieberman2012Apr. 16, 2011 - 04:54PM JST

"One man is not plural Lieberman, therefore your use of the word "those" is an obvious and lame attempt to inflate this beyond the reality."

The Arab population in the camps in Palestine have a long and shameful history of abusing and killing even those who come to help them.It is one of many dirty little secrets not told to naive and idealistic young "peace activists", the sort whose worldview is from out of comic books.The Guardian ran a story TWO WEEKS AGO about an Israeli activist killed by religious fanatics

Headline

"Israeli peace activist Juliano Mer Khamis shot dead in Jenin

Witnesses say actor – who ran a drama project in a Palestinian refugee camp – was shot five times by masked men"

April 4 2011

Not very good at recognizing patterns, are you.
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SuperLibApr. 16, 2011 - 07:30PM JST

Mangaman: The Palestinian government in charge of Gaza (if one were to recognize it as a government) are relevant to this discussion how? (Other than their failure to prevent the murder of Arrigoni by the non-Hamas group Salafi.)

This is one of those moments where I'm not sure if you're serious or just taking the piss out of the situation. The group kidnapped the activist in order to have some of their own being held by Hamas released. If that doesn't involve Hamas, I'm not sure what does.

But by all means, let's not get in the way of your rant about the "relevant" government here...Israel.
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MadvertsApr. 17, 2011 - 02:27AM JST

"But by all means, let's not get in the way of your rant about the "relevant" government here...Israel."

Heh, well said. The radical left just can't help it, depsite Israel being hardly mentioned in the article.
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WilliBApr. 17, 2011 - 02:43AM JST

The ultimate irony, and a demonstration of the nature of the Jihad against Israel. It should be a lesson to all the leftists who are supporting the islamists now. That is their fate too, ultimately.
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MadvertsApr. 17, 2011 - 02:58AM JST

"That is their fate too, ultimately."

But the Ants will prevail willi!
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MolenirApr. 17, 2011 - 07:02AM JST

Its Israel reaping what it has sown here. The more Palestinians are oppressed and their independence denied, the more violent and radical they will become. Its no mystery. For any uprising, its always the same.

Really depends on what the 'oppressors' are willing to do. For example if they simply killed all the 'oppressed', that would mean no more oppression, and no more uprising right? Well, how about if they merely imprisoned the families of those involved? Killed a few of their relatives etc? No, I'm not suggesting Israel has done, or should do these things, I'm merely pointing out the fallacies in your argument. There is a reason totalitarian regimes are so stable for so long. I doubt very much that Hamas will permit these other organizations to grow the way Fatah allowed Hamas to develop. Thus I don't see any danger for Hamas from these splinter groups, except for Hamas being held accountable for their actions.
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hworta269Apr. 19, 2011 - 12:02PM JST

I dont buy that the militants are out of Hamas's control, I think this is just plausible deny-ability.