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Kurdish fighters head to Syria to face militants

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The number should stop them from taking over the area, but sadly there will be no big push back of the IS. I fear Obama's strategy will waste precious time along the IS to last another year. That could lead to attacks, and that means Obama will be 2 blame, for not acting.

The time the west arms the rebels and train the Iraqi troops and rebels, it will be year/s. You train troops for 1 year and see how they go. It takes years and years to train people to fight and be the best, and most people in the west Army's need A and Bs to get in. The rebels and Iraqi troops would be getting F and C-, and will probably end up dropping bombs on themselves of civilians "wrong targets". It's clear. How long has American been in Iraq for and training their troops? 7 years? Then, if 7 years of training them has see them chock every time, how is months or years going to change that / make any difference?

All that points 2 is the U.S and Obama chiefs of staff have the wrong strategy's. This is poorly played and has already failed in the past. They have known real strategy as they trained the Iraq army for 7 years, and did cover them with air support. They chocked every time and their strategy here is 100% the same, even when it has failed, and after 7 years of training them.

America troops must go on, to get the job done, and most of all, to save civilian lives. We don't need Rebels or Iraq troops just bombing the villages and city's with random motor and cannon rounds, hitting everything but their intended targets. We don't need them going in and spraying bullets everywhere around kids and women, & we don't need them having America drop bombs on themselves, and civilians. We need the best troops in the world to go in, that can shoot accurately and drop bombs with pinpoint precision.

We need a real strategy that will work, not kill mass civilians..........and smash the IS fast.

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We need the best troops in the world to go in, that can shoot accurately and drop bombs with pinpoint precision.

Start the day with a fantasy, why don't you? I remember another military claiming this very same ability recently.

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Scott Ryan:

" America troops must go on, to get the job done, and most of all, to save civilian lives "

Get WHAT job done? You (and your government for that matter) are completely confused about the situation. If your idea of "the job" is to remove Assad, then all you do is create an even bigger mess.

Right now, Obama is both bombing the Sunni jihadis and arming them. Complete insanity!

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Right now, Obama is both bombing the Sunni jihadis and arming them. Complete insanity!

Exactly! What the hell is he thinking?

The Americans really need to get out of and stay out of the middle east. The last year alone has shown us that it's impossible to tell who is good and who is bad, so let them sort it out themselves.

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@SenseNotSoCommon Yep i love 2 "Start the day with" a tube of deep heat mate :). Please do tell me what military your talking about @SenseNotSoCommon? Last i seen America won the battle and the war in Iraq......unto they got forced out.

@WiliB I never said to 100% remove him. I am talking about the "IS". i WOULD REMOVE HIM. @WiliB Your joking right? What job humm "IS" ring a bell OMG. You must be HALF ASLEEP if you think We should pullout, and let this new terrorist group grow? wake up champ.

@WiliB What bigger mess? The American troops just utilize the Iraq war strategy's and set up a new government..... with a new constitution that stops what happened in Iraq from happening. The Iraq war was won unto the Shiite government need America out, to cling to power and replace all gens with Shiite only gens. Look at what happen 1 month after they left and Intel left. Attacks went from dropping dropping to more and more a more "unto" This.

@WiliB Your saying "I'M" confused about the situation?? Your saying the best thing to do is "pullout / do nothing" and let this new radical terrorist group "grow" ? Dude you feeling ok champ??

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The Americans really need to get out of and stay out of the middle east. The last year alone has shown us that it's impossible to tell who is good and who is bad, so let them sort it out themselves.

I don't think the solution is so easy. The US could leave the region and possibly the region's brutality could leave the region also and expand throughout the world. As we saw recently in Australia.

Israel would be defeated with no US aid. Iran likely would exercise aggressive territorial expansion. Libya is chaotic with who knows what weapons from Gaddafi. Turkey may collapse left alone as you suggest. Egypt would become Muslim and the Caliphate would link the entire region of North Africa to South Western Europe.

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Exactly! What the hell is he thinking?

The Americans really need to get out of and stay out of the middle east. The last year alone has shown us that it's impossible to tell who is good and who is bad, so let them sort it out themselves.

@MarkG

As usual, you always to hit the mail dead center. 110% agreed!

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Egypt would become Muslim

@MarkG

As usual, you hit that nail dead centre. You couldn't be more accurate.

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Scott Ryan:

" @WiliB Your saying "I'M" confused about the situation?? Your saying the best thing to do is "pullout / do nothing" and let this new radical terrorist group "grow" ? Dude you feeling ok champ?? "

I did not say "do nothing". I said several times that we should support the parties that actually go against ISIS, which means Assad, and the Kurds.

What Obama wants to do, and what you apparently approve of is arming Sunni Jihadis with the expectation that they fight other Sunni Jihadis. That idea is completely absurd. It will blow up in Obamas face, just as it did in Libya. Take a look at the smoldering ruins of your embassy in Bengazi to see where that gets you.

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I don't think the solution is so easy. The US could leave the region and possibly the region's brutality could leave the region also and expand throughout the world. As we saw recently in Australia.

This could happen whether the US (and other western nations) are in the middle east or not. Being there increases the likelihood of these guys 'leaving the region'.

Israel would be defeated with no US aid. Iran likely would exercise aggressive territorial expansion. Libya is chaotic with who knows what weapons from Gaddafi. Turkey may collapse left alone as you suggest. Egypt would become Muslim and the Caliphate would link the entire region of North Africa to South Western Europe.

Ok. So? None of these are America's problems.

Unless the US is explicitly requested by a country to be there, they have no right to be there.

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Unless the US is explicitly requested by a country to be there, they have no right to be there.

As long as these Jihadists are killing Americans, we have not only the right to be there, we have every right to put a bullet in their heads.

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@WiliB I made it clear American troops should be going in...... Not arming the Sunnis and so on. Last resort arm them, but that will fail anyway. I'm making it clear they need to put troops on the ground that's the only way they will defeat them. We need to cleanse the whole area and rid it of scum.

@WiliB Oh, i new and 100% said Libya was going 2 be a disaster. You arm thugs then don't disarms them after they or you form a government............ please. It was so clear what was going to happen. America needed their troops on the ground, then start at a point in every city, then go house to house disarming everyone. I made that clear before they started the war and "said" they would not have troops on the ground and that = a disaster. 100% what I said "thugs will be on the streets with guns starting trouble" is 100% what happened.

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Scott Ryan:

So you want "American troops on the ground" in every country in the region? And when would they be going home? If ever? You sound like McCain on steroids.

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@WilliB Do.you smoke the stuff champ? As soon as they changed the constitution "within 2 years" bye bye. 1,000s of troops must stay, to help out. Many countries "even from ww2" still have American troops.... We are now mates.

It would take 2-3 years..............leaving behind 3,000 troops after they pull out. They would have to make ID cards for everyone and state "only America" can run the data base by the constrictions unto 2044.

The Iraq war was 100% won and America had 0 deaths every week/month, + The Iraq troops and checkpoint cops seen less and less attacks every month........... After the Intel was set up "thanks" to the strategy's. It was only the Iraq Constitution that paved the way for the Shiites to take over the government. There was a 2 term limit but al maliki blackmailed or $/ threatened the Sunni judge, to change it from 2 terms too 3 terms+. You already read a new Constitution I had put forward commented many times, and its 100% full proof and will 100% stop corruption and anyone cling to power. It forces 2 terms and a freeze on the new Constitution for 30+ years.

NEW CONSTITUTION. A freeze on it for 30+ years. 2 terms in office at most. Power shifts for 2 months if a deal is not reached and there is a deadlock in government for more then 3 months. The voted in party get power back in 2 months time, and have 2 months to act again, before power swings happens "again" to the other party for 1 more month. Army gens must be replaced each year and with a different religion / Shiite Sunni Kurd. FBI departments can't shut down and can forward info and proof to a court" for a judge to decide", and last resort, the other party's in gov can vote on kicking him or her out...... ............. If 70% find the evidence to be correct. FBI top boss can only serve 1 year, then gets replaced each year, with a different religion / Shiite Sunni Kurd. The FBI head boss can be replaced, with a "2 party" numbers, if they both vote for him to be dismissed.Stuff like that will work.

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Scott Ryan:

You believe that techno-fixes like "ID cards" and "constitutions" can solve an ideological conflict that has been going on for 1500 years. That is simply ridiculous. But there is no point in arguing with you, since you have made up your mind.

Just sit back and watch how the US government, sharing the same ignorance, blunders its way through the ISIS conflict.

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What was the problem in Iraq @WilliB????? It all come together around 2008/09, there was not much "ideological conflict". They did work together until they 100% see and new the Shiites were taking over, then that lead to new/more attacks "ideological conflict". They were getting along "best they could" but 1 party Shiite" went way too far and tried to cling to power......................Take control of the army and fire and kick out all the Sunnis and Kurd's.

I do 100% believe it can work, but it has to be done correctly the i first time........................all of it.

Do i think America can do it? NO. America doesn't have a pro-strategist. There best "war"strategist, couldn't win the Iraq war even if it was 90% less deadly then "The Iraq war in 2006" :). You do run into small problems / need new strategy's", and must adapt to them. Something i don't think they could do. If they make the new constitution and use the Iraq war strategy's they mite be ok. If the IS think of new strategy's then America is in shit if the old Iraq war strategy's don't work.

Them Id cards stop a endless supply of people, and if they attack they will be killed off. So governments can takeover and use sniffer dogs, to clear areas. It will take 5 months for America to set up then 1.5 years to train them on the basic things to kill them off. Then leave 3,000 troops with some air support and fight with them and train them for the next 10 years.

"Just sit back and watch" Will do. I don't hold much hope for any real results, when there doing the strategy's "if" they can even think of any strategy..............Any good 1s.

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Scott Ryan:

" What was the problem in Iraq @WilliB????? It all come together around 2008/09, there was not much "ideological conflict". "

No "ideological conflict" between Sunnis and Shia??? You live in a phantasy world. Anyway, dream on. I will stop running in circles with you.

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OMG @WilliB. I have seen the war & know a lot more about it then you. The Intel kicked in and the mass attacks stopped. Attacks were becoming less and less, and the U.S got 0 deaths a month. The attacks by now would be next to nothing, and there was F all "ideological conflict" going on. The attacks your talking about "ideological conflict" come back after the Shiite over run the Gov forcing all Sunnis and Kurd's out??? What are you talking about??

FACT: The attacks on each other because of "ideological conflict" only started after America left. Its was a year + after they left, that some attacks did start back up. It was only after the Shiite government replaced all hi gens with Shiites and dumped mass Sunnis "from the army and mass from the police force" that "ideological conflict" started up. This is once again a Constitution problem as it lets them do this. Its like talking to a wall here.

The whole reason Iraq has seen the ISIS invade.............. Was 100% because of the Shiite government. The only reason why "ideological conflict" started up again, was because the Shiite government did the above.

100% "ideological conflict" was just about stamped out. It has only come back after mass arrests of Sunnis in Gov "and really" only until all the hi gens and police army troops were replaced with a Shiite dominated troops. When they put a warrant out for a Sunni guy from the government, some attack happened again, but next to 0. It was much after and all the dirty things the Shiite government was doing to cling to power, that started it back up..

At the end of the day if they had a good new constitution...............none of this would of happened. It can be fixed as long as they don't try cling to power. If they do................ it just fires back up. At teh end of the day all attacks dropped off ig time.

AT THE END OF THE DAY IF ALL ATTACK KEEP DROPPING OFF, THAT MEANS THE SUNNIS AND SHIA ARE NOT ATTACKING EACH OTHER AS MUCH. THAT MEANS THE INTEL WAS BUSTING THEM ALL BEFORE THE ATTACKS AND BOMBS BLOW UP. For the Intel to be there, we need to force that with a newwww??????????????????????

At the end off the day all Attucks where just about busted from all of them. INTEL was the key but a party needed america o,ut to cling and do the dirty. They don't want 100k American troops next to them............they need they out.

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It's not the world's problem................. until the oil stops flowing................ Then everybody complains that prices of everything skyrockets............... World economy runs on oil.....................

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