Leaked documents show hidden Afghanistan war details
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HonestDictator
Cry me a river. Truth hurts, but little is going to change because of it. This is WAR folks, everyone is losing the people they love even the Afgans. As I said, had the Taliban been keeping their business in their own back yard NATO wouldn't be there in the first place.
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PeaceWarrior
Insert the word "said" in there and you've got a winner.
By the way, if I am not mistaken, Wikileaks has posted the information already. The Guardian and Der Spiegel got an early look at them so the second paragraph needs to be reworked.
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PeaceWarrior
It'd be nice if you also included the info about Task Force 373 in there.
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PeaceWarrior
Thank you.
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adaydream
Yeah this is all historical data. There may be current information, plans for future operations. It's just disturbing that there was this kind of information leak. < :-)
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GJDailleult
Examples of the Taliban not keeping their business in their backyard?
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smithinjapan
"....puts the lives of Americans at risk"
The official term for 'extremely embarrassed'.
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taj
"Manning had bragged to the hacker, Adrian Lamo, ..."
A look at the message log that was later produced showed that Manning was absolutely not bragging.
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jruaustralia
Realistically plausible :(
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HonestDictator
@GJDailleult you need examples, what planet have you been living on? Terrorists camps and organizations pretty much planning a large attack on "the great satan" resulting in 9/11 and other terrorist attacks on "Western" countries soil. If things were taken care of all we'd be dealing with is the regular old embassy bombings and plane hijackings in their own countries like they've always been doing.
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MistWizard
Plante Earth I expect, same as me.
You seem to be talking about al-Quaida. This is about the Taliban which once harbored al-Quaida. That is sort of like having a dinner guest. I does not exactly make you responsible for the crimes of the dinner guest, m'kay? Because it if were, remember where the pilots of 9/11 got their flight training. And that from people who remarked how bizarre it was the guys had not interest in landing! If that happened anywhere else, you would call it foreknowledge, collusion and conspiracy! But since it happened in the good ole U.S.A. it could only be a mistake!
Fact is the people who decided not to differentiate between the Taliban and al-Quaida just have very limited capacity to store information in their heads and that is why they chose that path.
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MistWizard
Its a sad day in democracy when we can only get our truth through leaks. Whoever did the leaking is a hero!
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GJDailleult
Hello fellow earthlings! Yes, that was pretty much the answer I was expecting, but MistWizard seems to have beaten me to the punch in pointing out the Taliban and al-Quadia are not the same organization. Fact is the Taliban would likely have happily handed them over for the right price too if anybody had bothered to make an offer. But instead it was decided that the correct action was to invade Afghanistan. Future historians will probably have a lot of fun with that one.
And al-Quaida was not just any old dinner guest. They were a dinner guest with a grudge against their ex-employer, who had been paying them to protect the hosts. Any host in that situation might wonder why they got the raw end of the deal.
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sailwind
Pakistan’s Ambassador to the U.S. Husain Haqqani said the documents “do not reflect the current on-ground realities.” The United States, Afghanistan and Pakistan are “jointly endeavoring to defeat al-Qaida and its Taliban allies militarily and politically,” he added.
I guess I should just ignore this part of the article then.
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SushiSake3
"Jones, the White House adviser, took pains to point out that the documents describe a period from January 2004 to December 2009, mostly during the administration of President George W. Bush."
Someone else who doesn't like bush.
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Madverts
Sorry mist, but if your dinner guest are plotting and training to kill thousands of innocents, methinks personal responsibilty should kick in.
Heh, and not only that, but they refused to hand over the afore-mentioned guests once said attrocity had happened. If the Taliban had handed binny over they'd have probably been no invasion, and subsequently no so-called war on terror.
Either way your defense of these individuals perplexes me.
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Madverts
I like Bush now he's safely back on the ranch, sushi. Similar to their French nemisis currently holding office, finding an American (sail and sarge excluded) that will admit to voting for bush is like finding a fart in a jacuzzi, or a non-corrupt official in the Afghan "government".
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SuperLib
I suppose some people will do anything to be famous.
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tclh
Now all he has to do is starting to release documents on Taliban and AQ for the same period in order to give a balanced view for readers.
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SushiSake3
Dubya, so you're calling for the whistleblower - someone whose actions have helped reveal a far more real side of this war - to be killed (I take it that's what you mean by 'neutralized')? Would you rather live in a truth-sanitized propaganda-fuelled world? You stand alone.
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HonestDictator
Those training camps were originally created by the Taliban back in the day so they could make a functional "standing army", but as I said, they didn't take care of their own back yard, and their training camps turned into militant and terrorist training instead.
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GJDailleult
Not sure how defeating the Soviet army qualifies as NOT taking care of your backyard.
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HonestDictator
Well then, if you put it that way then they took care of it and KNOWINGLY allowed their training camps to churn out militant terrorists. Whats your excuse for that?
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MisterCreosote
Unfortunately for some people these leaked documents incriminate the ISI over there in Pakistan, which is to say that they make Mr Obama look like a fool.
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GJDailleult
Got you now Honest Dictator. By "keeping their business" you meant taking care of their own backyard (ie. not allowing the camps), not that they were exporting their business.
In that case, you'd have to ask them why they allowed the camps. For the Saudi money? As some kind of payment for previous services? In hindsight it was a pretty daft thing to do, seeing as it led to a nine year war. If the Taliban knew what was going to happen, they probably would have got rid of the camps, as you say they should have.
But that still leaves the facts that the Taliban has never been active anywhere outside Afghanistan and Pakistan, and there has been a nine year war against a landlord, just so he won't become a landlord again.
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nandakandamanda
I think the Taliban got a bad reputation when they discriminated harshly against other tribes in Afghanistan, enforced the repression of women, and started blowing up World Heritage sites, etc. You could say that that was all in their backyard, well, not in their 'own' backyard, but in their neighbors' backyards anyway.
Agreed with tclh above that we now need the documents showing the hidden side of Taliban/AQ activity over those years before we can make any kind of informed and balanced judgment of the scene there.
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HonestDictator
GJDailleult, thats what I've been saying all along it just seems you finally came around yourself. The taliban wanted to run Afghanistan, but since they were so busy power-mongering and over lording with their rules they allowed the Afghanistan training camps meant to create an Afgan military force (by conventional means), become overrun with militants and terrorist organizations. They didn't pay attention to what was happening in their own back yard, which over time escelated and led up to the major terrorist attacks in other countries. US got po'ed and because the Taliban were not co-operative in dealing with the camps themselves, the US and eventually NATO walked in and said, "we're not taking this anymore". The taliban wanted to run Afghanistan, and they did for a while until they didn't take responsibility for what was happening in their own country. No excuses.
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