Marijuana for recreational use legalized in Colorado

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    AKBfan

    Can't wait for the South Park episode covering this.

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    Elbuda Mexicano

    Yeah, can not wait for the lovely combination of drugs and loose gun laws to make the next mass killing at our local cinema complex, high school, university, church?? Etc...Dude take another bong hit while we reload our AK47s??

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    semperfi

    What a dichotomy. ................On the one hand cigarette smoking is banned because of health risks - - - - YET on the other, marijuanas health risks are entirely ignored, and it is infact legalized ...................., although Marijuana has a more lethal impact on the body being fat soluble and therefore checmicals stay in the body and causes damage for a longer period of time to all orgams.

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    Zen student

    I wonder if we would ever see such a law come into effect in Japan in our lifetime......hmmm... probably not.

    I'm all for the decriminalization of marijuana, not necessarily for legalization.

    It's obviously been legalized because it can help revitalize the state's economy through taxes.

    Pot smoke could do a helluva lot of good in this country - just blow it through the ventilation systems, chill dem people out.

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    lucabrasi

    What a dichotomy. ................On the one hand cigarette smoking is banned because of health risks - - - - YET on the other, marijuana's health risks are entirely ignored, and it is in fact legalized....

    Last time I looked, cigarette smoking wasn't banned. In fact, they even provide special "smoking areas" for people to indulge without bothering others.

    And if we're going to decide on legality based on health risks, then that's the end of fast food, soft drinks and sugary sweets.

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    viking68

    semperfi, pot is the most non-lethal drug out there. In fact, I would challenge you to find someone who actually died as a direct result of consuming pot.

    Mexicano, if someone is shooting a gun and smoking pot, there are other reasons why they are shooting up a place besides pot. Pot tends to make you less aggressive and may slow down shootings in general. The only case I know of where shooting and pot was involved was the Beirut embassy bombings where the bombers smoked hash before going on their mission to kill Americans. The smoke didn't make them terrorists, they were terrorists before they smoked.

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    Thunderbird2

    And so the march to turn America into the Pot capital of the world continues.

    At least here in the UK the Government has ruled out decriminalising drugs... long may it continue. Filthy stuff.

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    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    Step two in ending another foolish prohibitionist debacle. A victory for liberty.

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    semperfi

    lucabrasi - -- In Canada it is banned in public places. ..... Violators get seriously fined. . . . . If it isn't 'banne in the States- perhaps it is more accurate to stay it is 'restricted'.

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    semperfi

    viking68 I "m sorry viking but you are totally wrong on marijuana's lack of deleterious effects on the human body........Just a simple google research will give you sufficient ground to pause and think . . . .marijuana has a much higher proportion of chemicals than cigarettes;............................ the tar content it self is about 10 times that of tobacco . . . and the problem with marijuane is that it is fat soluble which means it gravitates toward fat in our organs such as the liver, heart and brain . . and continue to destroy the organs over a period of time. . . . It is hard to estimate how many people have died fro mthis drug because it is a street drug so we don't have a lot of relaible documental data ..

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    semperfi

    Viking68: FYI - Some of the side effect of marijuana........................................................................................... Risks: The THC in marijuana is, unlike other drugs, fat-soluble; it stays stored in the body's fat cells for weeks, even months.

    Marijuana contains more carcinogens than a tobacco cigarette.

    Marijuana alone impairs driving. Alcohol and marijuana together produce higher intoxication than marijuana alone or alcohol alone. Studies show that low to moderate doses of alcohol and THC in combination is exceedingly dangerous and renders a driver incapable of driving safely.

    The THC in marijuana has the capacity to decrease sperm production and increase abnormal sperm cells. It disrupts hormone cycles in females.

    Marijuana compromises the immune system. It permanently impairs the immune system by inhibiting the formation of DNA in germ cells (lymphocytes).

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    Steric Hindrance

    Much of the harmful effects are eliminated if you chose to ingest it rather than smoke it. Brownies anyone?

    And I am a little suspicious of the toxic effects mentioned above, but I agree that one should not drive while stoned. I don't think the THC that remains in your body the following day will significantly impair one's driving.

    But the big question is not whether one should or shouldn't use marijuana; the real question is what right does any government have to tell anyone that they are not allowed to use it. I would like to grow it myself (its a beautiful plant!) and use it in the privacy of my own home. I would never do this here in Japan because of their stupid laws, but really, who the .... are they to tell me I can't?

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    sailwind

    Watching America go from the Greatest Generation that fought WW2 and now ending up with the birth of the Jeff Spicoli Generation is a tad bit disconcerting.

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    Penfold

    Glad to see the pot smokers are out in force tonight. viva la marijuana!

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    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    The opponents of ending the decades-long foolishness of this idiotic prohibition have been too heavily indoctrinated with rubbish such as the old farcical 'Reefer Madness " propaganda. End it already.

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    YuriOtani

    They say that the states can not uphold immigration law but have to uphold federal drug laws? So the state governments are slaves to the whims of the federal government?

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    theFu

    I am not a current pot smoker, but I don't pretend to know what is right for others.

    Everything is dangerous to our health, including breathing. However, most soft drugs, in moderation, have not been found to be harmful. Anything, taken to excess can be harmful. Water, milk, alcohol, or marijuana. Out of all those in that list, guess which one has never had anyone overdose while using? marijuana. You can kill yourself by drinking too much milk or water or alcohol, yet those are still sold. I believe that smoking pot is much, much, much less harmful than drinking alcohol and I believe that studies from independent research shows that. If you read the studies sponsored by political groups, the result is always aligned with their political beliefs.

    It is not my place to tell any other human being how to use their (adult) body for recreation provided they are not harming anyone else. That goes for any activities, not just marijuana. 2nd-hand smoke laws should still apply too.

    Congratulations to my friends and family living in Colorado. Smoke a "fatty" for me, if you choose to enjoy that recreational activity. If you don't, that is 100% fine with me too.

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    globalwatcher

    Gov. Hickenlooper (D) OPPOSED the measure but he has no veto power over the voter-approved amendment to the state constitution while Timothy Tipton (Tea Party) a long time marijuna activist is smiling and puffing and declared that "It smell like freedom".

    Gov. Hickenlooper (D) reluctantly stated," if the voters go out and pass something and they put it in the state consitution, by a significant margin, far be it from myself or any governor to overrule. I mean, this is why it's democracy, right?"

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    Congratulations Colorado! Many other states will soon follow. The tipping point has been reached.

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    HonestDictator

    @viking61 you're no pharmacist and you haven't studied pharmacology. Please don't blind yourself with what you want a drug to do and what it actually can and does do. Yes MJ is harmful, and in some cases lethal to some people just as every other drug (even something as basic as tylenol) can be to anyone who has an allergic or idiosyncratic reaction to it.

    Private use is fine in a persons own home, but just like tobacco should not be used around children or people that are susceptable to allergic reactions to it.

    Pro-pot idealists are so eager to get the "reward" they ignore that it does come with certain consequences.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    Yes MJ is harmful, and in some cases lethal to some people just as every other drug

    There is not one known case of marijuana killing someone. It is impossible to overdose on. The only unhealthy aspect is the smoke, which pales in comparison to cigarettes, because 1. tobacco companies lace their tobacco with all kinds of chemicals and 2. tobacco addicts smoke far more, in terms of quantity, than do marijuana users.

    By far, the most dangerous thing about marijuana is it's illegality.

    I think you are projecting your own biases onto the plant.

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    Kuya 808

    Maybe it would be helpful in this discussion to understand why the US government outlawed cannabis in the first place, and maybe more importantly how it went about doing it.

    “Yet, even though marijuana had been prohibited in many states by the 1930s, the general public did not view it as a national concern. But with the onset of the Great Depression, Southwestern states began pressuring for federal marijuana prohibition as a method of deporting "job-stealing" Mexican migrant workers.35 To do so, marijuana needed a sensationalized portrayal as a critical, national threat.36 In California, in 1935 the leader of the American Coalition of Patriotic Societies wrote, "Marijuana, perhaps now the most insidious of our narcotics, is a direct by-product of unrestricted Mexican immigration.”

    Read the whole story here: http://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1286&context=crsj

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    T-Mack

    Colorado before California? Okay,....What next?, Fight DEA like medical dipensories in California? I guess it's a grow your own deal now. Seed sale's should go up by 55% in Amsterdam. Court's throw out non-violent Marijuana case's. Now for some Recreation....Ski Vail anyone?

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    globalwatcher

    T-MackDec. 12, 2012 - 03:20AM JST

    Colorado before California? Okay,....What next?,

    Well, they will try a gay marriage to be legal.

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    T-Mack

    Mile high broke back mountain? ha ha good one! Next?

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    globalwatcher

    T-MackDec. 12, 2012 - 04:53AM JST

    Mile high broke back mountain? ha ha good one! Next?

    Mile high broke back mountain, this is a good one. LOL. Next wll be a gun control.

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    globalwatcher

    The state of Colorado is a progressive state with a attitude of "can do " unlike Japan with a "dekinai" culture. The state is filled with highly educated SKILLED talents and brains. These no skilled ones will end up flipping burgers and leave. Very competitive state. If people are TOO regressive or lazy, they do not belong to Colorado.We do not believe in welfare. Colorado is a Switzerland of USA.

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    Serrano

    Q. What do you say when you make a big pile of marijuana and light it?

    A. Now that's what I call a campfire!

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    sailwind

    The state is filled with highly educated SKILLED talents and brains.

    No real skills or talent involved in frying your brain with pot. Also not something I'd think you'd want to advertise on your resume either when applying for a job.

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    globalwatcher

    sailwindDec. 12, 2012 - 07:37AM JST

    The state is filled with highly educated SKILLED talents and brains.

    No real skills or talent involved in frying your brain with pot. Also not something I'd think you'd want to advertise on your resume either when applying for a job.

    These bad ones, a 4 yrs college degree with no skill cannot make living. We do not keep losers.

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    sfjp330

    We cannot have state laws that override Federal laws. As much as anyone would like to believe that the Fed should just 'butt out', it's not going to happen. They may at best turn their head for a while as they have reguarding medical marijuana, but eventually, the issue must be addressed nationally.

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    sailwind

    These bad ones, a 4 yrs college degree with no skill cannot make living. We do not keep losers.

    Global,

    You can't really say that. Colorado is not some dictatorship that decides who you can keep and who you kick out. Also did it ever occur to you and the good folks of Colorado that by passing this law your not keeping out pot headed stoned losers but that your actually going to ATTRACT lots of them now to your fair state?

    Just a thought.

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    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    Time to repeal the federal statute, too.

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    globalwatcher

    sailwindDec. 12, 2012 - 10:44AM JST

    These bad ones, a 4 yrs college degree with no skill cannot make living. We do not keep losers.

    Global,

    You can't really say that. Colorado is not some dictatorship that decides who you can keep and who you kick out.

    Of course not. I was just bragging about it. However, Colorado will not be a next California, I assure you. This is a fair minded state for all who want to excel. We are big for environment; clean air, clean water, beautiful forests, nature, wildlife, great climate, excellent education and everything is pretty clean. We want to keep it that way for a quality of life. I am posting this while overlooking the west . Just breathtaking!! I feel totally free!!

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    T-Mack

    As long as the skiing stay's great !!! I'm there!!! as far as law...they got a long fight againt's the fed's before they can really relax..or recreation as is...cant beat the DEA, don't want to even try...nothing really is ever truly free of happenstance, or just plain bad luck...down low still the way to go...Now gun control, dont get me started, as an active hunter I have much to say...but back on topic, mary jane just hit the fast lane...and it's state law...voted in by the people...what now???

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    T-Mack

    @globalwatcher, I love Colorado, I travel to Greeley and Loveland alot, as I have some family there as well...Grew up in Greeley, Fort Collins, area. Thinking of moving back to Estes Park Colorado, and maybe starting six new plants...Peace Out...!!!

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    globalwatcher

    T-MackDec. 12, 2012 - 12:34PM JST

    As I said before, if people are too regressive and lazy, this state is not for them. This state demands excellence among people. Many coming from another states with 4 yrs degree with no skills do not make it here as this is not a welfare state. This is a tough state with no BS. Freedom is not cheap.

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    globalwatcher

    Thinking of moving back to Estes Park Colorado

    You are?? Great. Hey, you know then what I am talking about then. Estes Park is still beautiful. I am a native here and traveled all over the world. Still my chest expands when I come back and look up at blue sky, smelling forest, seeing wildlife, skiing, fishing, camping, hiking......no place for me to try this weed called marijuna.

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    sailwind

    However, Colorado will not be a next California, I assure you.

    Global,

    Not so sure on that one. You've already got Aspen that is infested with rich liberal types that would make San Francisco and Hollywood proud. And you've just now legalized the pastime of that cultural California icon Jeff Spicoli. Who when famously was asked the question......Why don't you get a job Spicoli? Jeff Spicoli: What for? Brad Hamilton: You need money. Jeff Spicoli: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.

    Good luck Colorado, your well on your way to Californication and as a former resident of California believe me your going to need all the luck you can get.

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    globalwatcher

    sailwind,

    Do not worry.

    they are behaving themselves okay as they are in foreign land. They are pretty quiet. Aspen is a global think tank center attracing many global intellectuals all year around. I met Jack Nicholson when we were riding motorcycles. We stopped at Main Street Cafe for breakfast I was surprised to know he was very shy and polite. I met John Denver alone when he was drinking at old hotel bar before he died in airplane accident at Monttrey Bay. I remember John was very heart broken when his wife left him because of his drinking problem. I think he was truly in love with Annie.i told him to write a song about her. He did and the title of song is "Annie" It is very beautiful and sad. You can probably listen it on you tobe.

    The state will not be polluted as money alone does not do any. Every private club still wants a couple recommendations before being a member.They are not just open to everyone like California. We want to keep that way.

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    sailwind

    Global,

    Interesting about Jack Nicholson and I remember quite well when John Denver passed in the airplane accident, but I'm going to change to a real serious note on this:

    I'll get many thumbs down but really needs to be pointed out. Society just doesn't really want people who smoke pot to have any real positions or jobs that could really end up hurting innocent people. Military does mandatory drug testing, Airline pilots get tested, truck drivers get tested and a whole host of other jobs and positions. Employers really don't want to hire pot users and society pretty much has said that's a good thing also.

    Second point, I would tend to agree many folks will experiment with the stuff and find out its pretty much a waste time and move away from it as they mature or get a better direction in life. Also just for the record I don't think using the stuff should be a major crime and the penalties for using should be looked at hard for some major revisions and decriminalization and be modeled more on the lines of diversion programs away from pot instead of actual official punishment that goes on a persons record that really hurts a person for life.

    But I also don't think just completely legalizing its use is not exactly the smartest thing to do at all either. Obviously Colorado and Washington State voters disagree with that but I would think discouraging using pot would be a much better goal to go for than just legalizing it outright as these two states did. I really just don't see anything really positive coming out of this by making getting high on pot so much easier to do now than it was before.

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    globalwatcher

    The state will not be polluted as money alone does not do any. Every private club still wants a couple recommendations before being a member.They are not just open to everyone like California. We want to keep that way.

    I think you and I are talking on the same page. This is exactly what I have talked about here. Marijuna casual use in Colorado does not give automatic endorsement to every place. I believe they still discriminate as you have mentioned. But we will see what the federal government would say on this.

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    HonestDictator

    @stranger in a strange land, you're living in a dreamland. I study pharmacology, and guess what? All drugs can have harmful effects. I know a lot of people on my mothers side that are allergic to MJ, I know one woman outside my family that is so allergic to MJ that she will not move into an apartment or home that has any residue left over because her reaction is so strong her throat swells shut and she can't breathe. So please, unless you're a PHARMACIST or study drug chemistry you can spout your idealism all you want but it doesn't overcome FACTS and science.

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    HonestDictator

    One of my aunts almost died because she was experimenting with MJ and the man who gave it to her apologized profusely because it almost cost her her life had she not been taken to a hospital so quickly. Everyone has the potential to have different reactions to all drugs. I love how pot idealist believe that everyone can have the same thing and one size fits all. Amazing that my pharmacy textbooks (revision 2011) still has all the wonderful side effects and contraindications that pot does have and how people still insist that they don't exist.

    Enjoy the consequences of ignorance and stupidity. I just need to keep as far away as possible.

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    T-Mack

    I like that idea, Im' in Huntington Beach Calif. and I havent built a home in a while. Time for a cool change...I like boulder...college town.....Let's run it past my better half...Might have to start over on my own first, then get her to follow. Thanks for the info...

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    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    HonestDictator,

    Sure, everything has side effects, and some people have adverse reactions to different things. Many of those things are already in your house, such as nuts, chocolate, aspirin, buckwheat, etc. so it's up to the individual to take responsibility for their own health. Chocolate has complex neural effects, but should it be banned? Alcohol is far worse, but do you drink?

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    Honest Dictator, your appeal from authority is less than convincing to say the least.

    I believe it's a fact that no one has ever died from marijuana consumption alone. Unless, you have something to show otherwise, I'll continue to believe so.

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    HonestDictator

    Still don't quite understand me do you? When a person drinks they do not leave any harmful residue in the air. Air pollution is a result of residue in the air. If a person drinks does the person sitting next to them not drinking that alcohol get drunk from the drinkers breath? No they do not. If a person smokes (tobacco or weed) does the person next to them get affected by the residue exhaled by the user? Yes they do. If a smoker of tobacco releases second hand smoke the effect of the nicotine does not affect the brain of those around them, but their lungs are a different matter. The residual smoke in MJ isn't the same as carbon monoxide and tar particles that are found in exhaled tobacco smoke.

    @Herve I'm not much of an alcoholic drinker. I don't like getting drunk and I might have some alcohol just to be social at a big party (which I'm not much of a party person either,like I have time xD) like once every year or three. I'm an atypical person that usually fits in the small percentage categories you can find in those kinds of surveys. For example I have all my wisdom teeth, never wore braces, still have my tonsils and appendix, and no cavities. * heh *

    @Stranger your only "defense" is that you believe (I thought that atheists didn't go on "faith") that all a person does is light up and get high and there is no such thing as side effects or that it will affect others around them as a result because its their "right". Its not about authority, its about ethical rights. In the US your rights end at the end of your nose. Which means that a person can do whatever they like to do as long as it does not affect those around them negatively in a physical manner. Smoking affects people around smokers in a negative physical manner (which is why there are rules and laws in place for smoking). Joe Blow (the smoker) can cause severe health problems to Jane Bronchiole (who doesn't smoke) just by lighting up in her vicinity. Drinking can affect people around them only if the drinker's behavior goes out of control or if they're behind the wheel. Chronic alcoholism is a different story. This is part of the reason why even though the governor here has signed the voter passed bill, they still have it delayed legally until they set up effective regulations protecting everyone else's rights from the results of the toker's "right" to smoke their weed for "fun".

    My experience with long term MJ users (and regular old 'baccy smokers) is that they're so busy getting their high they don't have any consideration of how its affecting those around them. After all this is the era of the "ME, MYSELF, and I" society. I've seen more than enough younger parents with children having their weed fix days and weeks in a row and then wondering why their children have red glazed over eyes, slow mental functions and breathing issues. Even if I rehash directly from scientific study, you're set in your ways. As far as I'm concerned when fools do not listen, then leave them be because the end consequences will do more than enough to them.

    As I said I STUDY DRUGS and due to my career we can in no way condone the abuse (label it "recreational" if you want) of any drugs (especially psych altering) and I know how it can and actually does affect others. Would you trust any health care professional that takes mind altering drugs in his/her free time to be capable of performing life threatening operation on your grandmother/father in an emergency without being able to discern if they're still under the influence or not?

    Have fun with the "recreational" use if you want. Just remember (if you can..) that either me or my colleagues will be responsible for creating and supplying you with the medications (you may have to take more than one, how does 5-6+ meds a day sound?) to help treat or reduce the effects from the health issues that you'll be getting later on in life due to those choices (yay job security for me). Long term use can end up with chemical dependence in some cases, or tolerance (which means that you won't be able to get high anymore, no matter how many you toke if it doesn't make you sick to your stomach first...), or other wonderful things like fungal infections, increased memory loss, permanent and steadily reducing mental facilities (what do people expect from something that affects the brain...). I have some stories to tell about the end results but as I said, people won't listen until after it happens them and its too late.

    Be happy now because you won't be later, I guarantee it. As my instructor said, "If you must smoke (or toke in this case) Enjoy every puff like its ambrosia, because it had better be worth it when the debt collectors come back for payment." And those "debt collectors" can show up any time, unannounced like cancer, strokes, and heart attacks.

    Good health HAH!

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    I don't need any defenses. Nobody ever died from marijuana. It's a fact, bud. Like it or not.

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