Second Boston bombing suspect in hospital after being captured

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  • -2

    ka_chan

    Wow, that was quick work. Wonder what Putin will say.

  • -5

    MarkG

    Likely died from wounds or ended his life and will be found dead hidden in a dark basement corner.

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    paulinusa

    “We believe this man to be a terrorist,” said Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis. “We believe this to be a man who’s come here to kill people.”

    Are you sure about this Commissioner Davis? Both brothers came to the US, I believe 10 years ago, and as such were very young at the time. Perhaps they are considered "foreign", but weren't they also US citizens? You could make the case that this was domestic terrorism, not international.

  • 1

    Surf O'Holic

    So much for the initial musings by the various TV talking heads that the bombing perpetrators could be domestic rightwingers.

    According to the mother of the two brothers, the FBI had been following the elder brother for three years.

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    yabits

    You could make the case that this was domestic terrorism, not international.

    Yes, indeed.

    In the end, this is not a story about Chechnya or radical Islam or the insurgency in the North Caucasus. Ramzan Kadyrov, the usually insane president of Chechnya, says that the Boston bombing was not a Chechen act of terror, that these boys were reared and forged in America. He was probably right. But that's not to say the men—whatever their alleged motive—had nothing to do with Chechnya. They were reared by both Chechnya and America, forged in the joining of the two through the painful, disorienting process of emigration, of accepting and being accepted by a new society, or not. -- Julia Joffe, writing in The New Republic

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    badsey3

    The Russian newspaper Izvestiya published an interview with Anzor Tsarnaev, the father of Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, in which he heaps praise on his sons, says that Tamerlan was married with a young daughter, and claims the brothers were framed. In the article, which Byron Boneparth has translated from the original Russian, Anzor says he last saw his sons about a year ago and calls the now-deceased Tamerlan a “four-time champion” and claims that he was a well-known celebrity for his boxing achievements throughout America.* He says his older son was also a jazz pianist, studied in acting school, and was married with a 3 1/2-year-old daughter. He also describes Dzhokhar, the younger son, who is currently being sought by law enforcement, as having “dreamed of becoming a great doctor.” * The brothers’ U.S.-based uncle, however, painted a less charitable portrait of his older nephew and called Tamerlan “a loser.”

    All pianists need to be arrested and placed in FEMA camps and questioned it seems. All 19yr olds are extremely dangerous as any parent knows. Hopefully the thousands of police can find this extremely dangerous teen that should be in school.

  • -3

    TorafusuTorasan

    Bgood41 Thank you for the sleepy cell line. It is hard to squeeze any humor out of such bad news, but your slip did it for me.

  • 3

    bass4funk

    CNN just reported that the suspect was arrested and taken alive. CNN got it right this time. So as a naturalized US citizen, he will be held, read his rights and go through the legal system. Now we can see what was going on in this sick twisted guys mind.

  • 1

    JeffLee

    **this is not a story about Chechnya or radical Islam **

    Yes it is. Islam is the ideology that inspired their insane actions. It's a common story.

  • -2

    Triumvere

    Got his ass. Alive, apparently - at least for the moment.

  • 2

    LFRAgain

    They got him. Good.

  • -3

    frenchosa

    My sister and her family live 2.2 miles from where he was caught. He is now in a hospital just down the street from him.

    I hope he gets the chair.

  • 3

    pizzatime

    GOOD

  • 6

    Matthew Simon

    I will wait for the investigation before I jump to conclusions about their motive. What ever their reasons are I am happy they are taken care of without killing more innocents.

  • 1

    FrogFrog

    Suspects' father: Somebody framed them. Replace 'somebody' by 'radical Islam - the scourge of humanity'

  • 10

    Kabukilover

    Let us hope this capture is the end of this horror story. My deepest condolences to everyone hurt by what happened in Boston. Beyond this there is nothing to be said, except let justice take its course.

  • 1

    funkymofo

    Frog frog,

    Replace 'somebody' by 'radical Islam'- the scourge of humanity

    Replace 'Islam' with 'ideology' and I think you're onto something.

  • 3

    nandakandamanda

    funkymofo, I like it.

  • -3

    nandakandamanda

    Badly wounded. Will he make it to answer Obama's questions?

  • 0

    Bgood41

    These two have reasons and convictions to commit such heinous crime of mass killing. FBI has an explanation to do in clearing the deceased terrorist suspect in 2011. Islamist, extremist, jihadist connection anyone? Things will unravel in days to come and hopefully people become more serious to prevent the repeat, and any attempt to water down the core of the issue that led them in this path to begin with.

  • 0

    cracaphat

    I think it should stop being called terrorism.Two P.O'd brothers with bad intentions is closer to the mark.

  • 3

    bass4funk

    I think it should stop being called terrorism.Two P.O'd brothers with bad intentions is closer to the mark.

    Ok, two ******off brothers that went amok after studying and embracing radical Islam and engaged in domestic terrorism. There, I think that would be more appropriate and closer to the mark.

  • 3

    WilliB

    Two young jihadis. Hate to say but I told ya so. Not that it was a hard prediction.

  • 3

    WilliB

    cracaphat:

    " I think it should stop being called terrorism. "

    It is practically a dictionary defintion of terrorism. If for you, this is not terrorism, then what is???

  • 0

    Surf O'Holic

    If persons born in nation "B" move to and live in nation "C" for a few years, are they then deemed nation "C" 's nationals? They MAY become naturalized citizens of other origin, but their origin doesn't change.

    Glad the second suspect is in custody. Loss of citizenship possible?

  • 0

    some14some

    Glad the second suspect is in custody. Loss of citizenship possible?

    that's secondary question, at the moment one has to worry whether it will result in loss of life as he is in critical condition.

  • 1

    LFRAgain

    "I think it should stop being called terrorism. Two P.O'd brothers with bad intentions is closer to the mark."

    I'm inclined to agree. These two asshats, as far as anyone knows thus far, had no political or religious agendas. It seems their only concern was to kill folks at the Boston Marathon. And judging by how much ordinance they were carrying with them as the chase unfolded, kill more later.

    While they were indeed terrorizing the citizens of Boston with these inhuman acts of violence, it's not in the same league as Terrorism, with a capital 'T'.

    We should be concerned, as a society, about any authority figure rushing so quickly to label as "terrorism" what seems, to be, based on all available evidence, a simple case of murderous mayhem. Considering how quickly and easily our elected representatives tripped over themselves in a rush to give the federal government power to strip anyone accused of "terrorism" of their constitutional rights in the wake of 9/11, we should -- or should have, quite frankly proceeded very cautiously with how we bandied that word about. The consequences for regular citizens are too immense.

    Patch this asshat up and get him healthy enough to stand trial. Then give him a good lawyer, and try him in a civilian court of law. Prove to ourselves and to the world that the rule of law and the reasoned and logical application of those laws are and will always be the deciding factor in the dispensation of justice.

    Don't shuffle this waste of DNA off to Guantanamo. That would be an indefensible insult to the people of Boston and to America as a whole.

  • 2

    Surf O'Holic

    " at the moment one has to worry whether it will result in loss of life as he is in critical condition."

    He's in Serious condition, not Critical. He's also in very Serious doo-doo.

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    bass4funk

    While they were indeed terrorizing the citizens of Boston with these inhuman acts of violence, it's not in the same league as Terrorism, with a capital 'T'.

    Of course, it is. If it were a simple act of violence, why use such a crude device to Injure and to mutilate? It is NOT in the category of simple violence, that is called, Terrorism in its purest form.

    We should be concerned, as a society, about any authority figure rushing so quickly to label as "terrorism" what seems, to be, based on all available evidence, a simple case of murderous mayhem.

    Even Obama labeled this a terrorist act.

    Considering how quickly and easily our elected representatives tripped over themselves in a rush to give the federal government power to strip anyone accused of "terrorism" of their constitutional rights in the wake of 9/11, we should -- or should have, quite frankly proceeded very cautiously with how we bandied that word about. The consequences for regular citizens are too immense.

    They are terrorists and don't have the same legal rights as US citizens(talking about if the crime is committed on US soil) these people have No flag or country and long for the destruction of most westernized nations, blowing and killing anyone that is an infidel, therefore, they don't and should not be given the same rights as law-abiding citizens.

    Patch this asshat up and get him healthy enough to stand trial. Then give him a good lawyer, and try him in a civilian court of law.

    Which the local tax payer subsidizes.

    Prove to ourselves and to the world that the rule of law and the reasoned and logical application of those laws are and will always be the deciding factor in the dispensation of justice.

    We don't need to prove anything to anyone, on the contrary, the President has to prove that he is strong and steadfast when it comes to the war on terror.

    Don't shuffle this waste of DNA off to Guantanamo. That would be an indefensible insult to the people of Boston and to America as a whole

    Give him a fair trail and normally, I am against the death penalty, but in this case, none could be ever more deserving than this piece of ****!

  • 1

    TorafusuTorasan

    @LFRAgain The court system you eloquently described should be good enough for the Gitmo detainees too.

    Here's the version of life in the camp from one of the hunger strikers in a NYT op-ed this week:

    "Years ago the military said I was a 'guard' for Osama bin Laden, but this was nonsense... When I was at home in Yemen, in 2000, a childhood friend told me that in Afghanistan I could do better than the $50 a month I earned in a factory, and support my family... I was wrong to trust him. There was no work. I wanted to leave, but had no money to fly home. After the American invasion in 2001, I fled to Pakistan like everyone else. The Pakistanis arrested me when I asked to see someone from the Yemeni Embassy. I was then sent to Kandahar, and put on the first plane to Gitmo."

    "I am still being force-fed. Two times a day they tie me to a chair in my cell. My arms, legs and head are strapped down. I never know when they will come. Sometimes they come during the night, as late as 11 p.m., when I'm sleeping."

    And then the op-ed goes into graphic detail about force-feeding.

    Can we really be sure that everyone who ended up at Guantanemo is a "waste of DNA"? Does the U.S. have an actual case to make against the detainees?

  • 2

    cwhite

    fortunately not very smart and was caught on video

  • 0

    WilliB

    cwhite:

    " fortunately not very smart and was caught on video "

    Yes, but unfortunately, there will be plenty more of the this type of attack, and not all will be caught in advance.

  • 0

    cracaphat

    @bass4: You seem to know their backstory pretty well or was it Fox News feeding you their slant? Before I go casting aspersions on someone's religious bent,I'd want to hear more than what the usual suspects of cable journalism say. But in all honesty I'm not that interested.

    @WilliB: Hezbollah,the PLO,the IRA,Al Q,the KLA were and are still considered terror groups.This random act was done by two brothers who somehow thought it would be cool,when their real anger should have been directed at Moscow and not in America ,where they had a chance to start their lives afresh.

  • 0

    nandakandamanda

    The guy and his brother were proud of praying five times a day. No alcohol. Very religious.

    Sounds like they thought were better than other folks. Holier than thou.

    Look 'em in the eyes as you place a disguised bomb in front of them, inferior folks.

    Gives them the right to kill others, be patriotic, wave to the crowds, go to heaven, etc. Who fed them this shit?

    Five time a day? Pathetic. They should have been praying with every breath in gratitude for being given this precious life.

  • -1

    bass4funk

    @cracaphet

    You seem to know their backstory pretty well or was it Fox News feeding you their slant?

    How would you know this. We're you watching FOX? FOX didn't have to retract or apologizing for jumping the gun on blurting out that the guy was arrested when he actually wasn't. So NO, I wasn't sucking on the CNN slant. By the way, you have no idea what I watch for news coverage, so for you saying that is based on pure speculation.

    Before I go casting aspersions on someone's religious bent,I'd want to hear more than what the usual suspects of cable journalism say. But in all honesty I'm not that interested.

    If you want that, then you need to talk directly to the Boston PD, because everything you watch or read (including reading this on JT) then is and will be covered by the media. Can't run away from it.

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    zichi

    A great day for Boston law enforcement, caught after only four days following the bombings. A massive boost for their PR in the city.

  • -2

    Olegek

    ka_chan Wow, that was quick work. Wonder what Putin will say.

    I'm not Putin but I can say : Freedom Fighters /Rebels from Chechnya (always supported by US State Department) come to US

    Quick work/ smart work !

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    No Miso

    @surf -

    " They MAY become naturalized citizens of other origin, but their origin doesn't change."

    Like anywhere, it is where you are raised, the environment you are in that has the biggest effect on you. In that sense, they are essentially domestic as 9 and 16 are still very impressionable ages - but who really cares where they are from anyway? Does it make the families of the dead and wounded feel any better?

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    Olegek

    yabits In the end, this is not a story about Chechnya or radical Islam

    Of course not - no connection at all It can be John Smith WASP .... just a coincidence .....

  • 2

    LFRAgain

    bass4funk,

    If it were a simple act of violence, why use such a crude device to Injure and to mutilate? It is NOT in the category of simple violence, that is called, Terrorism in its purest form.

    This is a spurious and illogical definition of terrorism. By your account, Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza could be considered a terrorist. So could James Eagan Holmes, the Aurora mivoe theater shooter. So could any countless number of American citizens who went off the deep end and killed or maimed fellow citizens. Under your definition, anyone who chose to kill via a "crude" device, say a club, a hammer, a ice pick, could ostinsibly be charged with terrorism. No, I don't think your definition would pass muster by more reasonable people's account.

    As for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's taxpayer-subsidized trail, what's your point? He's a US citizen and as such has a constitutional right as a US citizen to legal counsel. It matters not one iota whether you personally agree with that or not.

    They are terrorists and don't have the same legal rights as US citizens(talking about if the crime is committed on US soil) these people have No flag or country and long for the destruction of most westernized nations, blowing and killing anyone that is an infidel, therefore, they don't and should not be given the same rights as law-abiding citizens.

    Actually, if they are US citizens, they do have the same rights. In addition, the 2008 Supreme Court decision in Boumediene v. Bush, (553 U.S. 723), held that "prisoners [in Guantanmo] had a right to the habeas corpus under the United States Constitution and that the Military Commissions Act of 2006 was an unconstitutional suspension of that right," whether US citizens or not.

    So clearly, you are wrong in this regard.

  • 0

    DudeDeuce

    weren't they also US citizens?

    U.S. green card holders who live a normal, good life- U.S. Citizens

    U.S. green card holders who commit crimes, terror- foreign criminals/terrorists

  • 2

    LFRAgain

    (continued)

    It also bears noting that you seem to have a paradoxically narrow definition of terrorism when you suggest that it's all about killing "infidels." There are lots of terrorists in the world who don't give a damn about Islam. You might want to remember that fact.

    We don't need to prove anything to anyone, on the contrary, the President has to prove that he is strong and steadfast when it comes to the war on terror.

    Wow. You don't believe citizens of the United States have an obligation to uphold the very legal system we espouse as being the best in the world? Let me say again, wow.

    the President has to prove that he is strong and steadfast when it comes to the war on terror.

    No, sir. The president has a moral and legal obligation to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America and everythign that it means for its citizens. Nowhere in his oath, nor the oaths taken by the last 43 presidents, is there a mention of proving strength and steadfastness in any war on terror or otherwise.

    This is the sytem we live under, bass4funk. You can't just pick and choose which parts you like when it suits you. You either believe in the Constitution, or you don't. You either accept the rule of law, or you stand opposed to it, with all that entails. Barring these, you can give up citizenship and go find something more to your liking. These are your choices.

  • 1

    Virtuoso

    This was a real made-for-media event. Except for the trial and appeals (which could run through 2020), the entire drama was tied up neatly in less than one week, just enough to accommodate the average person's attention span. There's nothing really left to report on, except the depressing news of mourning families and how the maimed must cope with the rest of their lives. I don't think young Tsarnaev will be executed -- he'll blame the whole thing on his domineering elder brother, who's in no condition to contradict the allegations -- and get off with life without parole. Finally, no one is really interested in hearing his pathetic rationale for setting off the bombs, which will be treated as a footnote.

  • 1

    SuperLib

    Just insane how quickly they caught those guys.... Hopefully it will be a lesson to others that they have little chance of getting away with it.

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    TorafusuTorasan

    Nothing wrong with media freedom, as long as it is balanced by facing financial consequences after screwing up. I'm thinking, for example, of the NY Post running photos and captions heavily suggesting that uninvolved people were the targets of the investigation. Putting red circles around innocent people seems like grounds for a nice, juicy lawsuit.
    Let the police make the "Wanted: Dead or Alive" posters, not the media.

  • 6

    sailwind

    As this story was fast breaking information came out that one of the suspects was wrongly identified as missing Brown University student by the name of Sunil Tripathi. He has a very close physical resemblance to this Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. It is unfortunate, though it does happen and that he was falsely I.D'd. in tthis. If there is one good thing though he has been missing for over a month and maybe with the attention to his name Sunil might be found and give his family ease in their worries for him.

    I must also apologize as I do not wait until the information was verified by other sources on the identity of the suspects for jumping on a conclusion that I should not have come to before posting on another thread. Sunil Tripathi happen to be wearing a Che T-Shirt on a photo that was released of him and I commented on it. Now in reflection I realize it was a cheap shot on my part to imply that he is tied to left wing extremists based on his wearing a T-Shirt with an iconic image from the 60's then any real statement on a persons politics. I truly do hope Sunil Tripathi is found safe and my apologies to his family for having his name mixed up in this and for my own lapse in jumping to a conclusion that I should not have at the time and posting a comment on it.

  • 1

    Madverts

    Sail,

    Could always have been the right wing version :

    http://www.thoseshirts.com/noche.html

    :)

    I'm quite relieved I manage to refrain from posting my suppositions, even if it turned out pretty much as I expected.

    It certainly isn't fair the other brother, surely the mastermind behind the bombing managed to get the easy out in death, but I'm sure nonetheless their motivations behind the attack will be squeezed from the living suspect.

    The biggest scandal yet to come I'm sure will be the FBI's alleged prior questioning of the suspect at the behest of a still unknown foreign government years before the bombing.

    Glad to see this is over anyway, I can't see there being anyone else involved in the madness at this point.

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    Ah_so

    Like anywhere, it is where you are raised, the environment you are in that has the biggest effect on you. In that sense, they are essentially domestic as 9 and 16 are still very impressionable ages - but who really cares where they are from anyway? Does it make the families of the dead and wounded feel any better?

    The evidence disagrees with you, particularly in the case of Islamic terrorism. Britain has produced a huge number of home grown Islamic terrorists. All of them, with a couple of exceptions, were Muslims of Pakistani/Bangladeshi heritage. Four wannabe terrorists were imprisoned earlier this week by the UK courts. There are also a large number of British Muslims fighting in Islamic wars in places like Syria and Chechnya. They may be British born, but have not been sufficiently integrated to feel sufficiently "British" in adulthood.

  • 0

    sailwind

    Madverts,

    Could always have been the right wing version :

    Could also always be a French bloggers version of him (I've enjoyed reading this blog from France over the years.)

    http://no-pasaran.blogspot.jp/

    Glad to see this is over anyway, I can't see there being anyone else involved in the madness at this point.

    I actually hope they do find enough evidence to tie him to an outside group.Then it would make it an act of international terrorism and totally under a Federal crime which means he gets the case heard in a Federal court and the death penalty applies. If they do this in the Massachusetts and as just domestic murder case the court system has no death penalty there. They outlawed it there years ago. They could still call it domestic terrorism on a federal charge but it may not fly and his lawyer is going to do everything he or she can to see it tried as a Massachusetts state case just for that fact they can't put him to death. I rather see this man have his day in court and then be sentenced and put to death after what he did.

    In the surveillance cameras and evidence that he was the one in the white hat. The photo evidence shows that It was the him in his white hat and that he planted his bomb right next to the eight year child and walked away. He saw this kid and he went ahead and he put his bomb right there. That callous act right there of targeting not just innocent people but an actual child for me means that he's earned his death penalty and the Federal government jury should be able to deliver it on this sorry excuse of a human being.

  • -3

    Ron Barnes

    Great to see his capture when in prison place with a phycopathic killer to reduce costs to the government , not worth letting him take up space better the chair .

  • 0

    No Miso

    @ ah_so

    The evidence disagrees with you, particularly in the case of Islamic terrorism.

    I disagree (but looks like maybe you do too?). It is the alienation that ethnic minorities go through that builds the frustration against the community that they live in in the first place, which you concur with in your last sentence. Born and bred in the UK, they are essentially British, but don't feel part of the society. You could then start to argue whose fault is it? That would take decades to debate, as we (as humans) really haven't got the hang of multiculturalism yet. Is it up to the "home" society to adapt to the new cultures coming in, or up to the migrant cultures to adapt? Personally, I think there needs to be balance and whole lot more tolerance. Having said that, we have come a long way in just 50-60 years.

  • -1

    smithinjapan

    If this scumbag doesn't die from the gunshot wound he'll be toast otherwise. Good on the police for capturing him.

  • 0

    badsey3

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=&v=ARE9rclZCqw (mother feels they were framed)

    http://rt.com/news/chechnya-suspect-boston-bombing-110

    As RT also found out while searching internet for details about Tamerlan, he had a profile on YouTube. He joined it in August of 2012, and five months ago created a playlist dedicated to terrorism. Named simply “Terrorists”, the playlist consisted of two videos, which are now no longer available.

    Although largely filled by ordinary music videos, Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s YouTube channel shows a growing predilection for radical Islamism. He repeatedly listened to songs such as ‘I will dedicate my life to Jihad’, as well as videos recorded by recent converts to Islam.

    Looking more like a personal Jihadist. But why not attack Russia rather than the U.S.?

  • 0

    Madverts

    Sail,

    I'm a rare supporter of the death penalty, but I have made exceptions when there is no doubt and appreciate people don't want to foot the bill for the cost of housing an inmate under a life tarif.

    It would seem there is no doubt here in regards to guilt, yet I'm not sure if I would support death for this man - he could live for fifty years in perpetual misery as a guest of the US penal system. After seeing all those horrific images, particularly the most shocking for me being the poor sod in a wheelchair wondering where his legs just went, well I quite like the idea of him rotting in gaol.

    So much young life wasted or irrevocably damaged , and for what?

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    Photoman333

    cwhite: fortunately not very smart and was caught on video

    Well he was smarter than the owner of the boat, who sees his boat cover smeared with blood and guess what he does first. Call the police? No, he looks under the cover to see if an armed, wounded bomber is there. Idiot.

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    yabits

    As this story was fast breaking information came out that one of the suspects was wrongly identified as missing Brown University student by the name of Sunil Tripathi.

    Whoa, there. There were at least three instances of complete misinformation during the course of events. The New York Post figured prominently in all of them. One only has to read the thread of the initial attack here on Japan Today to locate the first one: the "Saudi national" that the Post claimed was placed under arrest and being guarded by police at a hospital.

    As someone who has lived in the Atlanta-area for 30 years now, the use of anti-personnel shrapnel bombs during a major sporting event, caused me to recall a very similar incident during the '96 Olympics in my city -- one of three bombings in a short period of time that killed several people. The perpetrator of those crimes was on the lam for nearly seven years and helped in his hiding by his extremist sympathizers. So I am delighted to see these perpetrators rounded up so quickly.

    The Saudi national was an innocent victim of the bombing. Period. That he should have been named or falsely accused as a suspect is an injustice. According to neighbors, his "apartment searched in "a startling show of force," as his fellow-tenants described it to the Boston Herald, with a "phalanx" of officers and agents and two K9 units. He was the one whose belongings were carried out in paper bags as his neighbors watched; whose roommate, also a student, was questioned for five hours ("I was scared") before coming out to say that he didn't think his friend was someone who'd plant a bomb -- that he was a nice guy who liked sports. "Let me go to school, dude," the roommate said later in the day, covering his face with his hands and almost crying, as a Fox News producer followed him and asked him, again and again, if he was sure he hadn't been living with a killer."

    More on this follows.

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    yabits

    Innocent victim Number Two:

    A 17-year-old high-school student whose name I'll withhold, had his image plastered across the front page of The New York Post, a newspaper also involved in spreading the story of the Saudi youth. Here is the effect of the tabloid's irresponsible journalism:

    "The family of a Revere high-school student whose photograph appeared in the New York Post indicating a link to the attacks at the Boston Marathon said they were being hounded and were afraid to leave their home. The front page of Thursday's New York Post featured a photo of [name withheld], 17, and another young man watching the marathon before the blasts with the headline: "Bag men: Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon." The FBI later released photos of two suspects in Monday's bombings, neither of whom were [name withheld]. [Name withheld], a runner for his high school track team, told the Associated Press Thursday that he is afraid to go outside, fearing people will blame him for Monday's bombings. The AP ­reported that [name withheld] is a ­Moroccan native and went to authorities, anxious to clear his name.The teenager later told ABC News that when he saw the Post's front page, "It's the worst feeling that I can possibly feel. . . . I'm only 17." Outside the family's apartment building on Thursday, a man who indicated he was ­[name withheld's] father, but declined to give his name, told a Globe reporter and other members of the press in broken English that reporters had been hounding his family all day Thursday and they had been afraid to leave. "

  • 2

    SuperLib

    LFRAgain: As for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's taxpayer-subsidized trail, what's your point? He's a US citizen and as such has a constitutional right as a US citizen to legal counsel. It matters not one iota whether you personally agree with that or not.

    Hard to argue with that.

    There might be a dynamic in people's mind that bombs = terrorism since that's the preferred method of terrorists. If terrorists mostly went around shooting people then perhaps the mass shooters would be called terrorists as well. It reminds me about the debate surrounding pornography: "hard-core pornography" is hard to define, but that "I know it when I see it."

    Situations like this are new and ultimately the Supreme Court will have to review it and decide what the limits are.

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    yabits

    For innocent victim Number Three, CNN joins Fox and the NY Post in the gutter:

    Earlier this week, CNN falsely reported that an arrest had been made in the Boston marathon bomber case, adding that the suspect was "dark-skinned." As it turned out, there hadn't been any arrest. Later that evening, MSNBC host Chris Hayes laid into the cable network for its coverage:

    "Forget ... that CNN got wrong the information they said they had. Explain to me precisely what news value exists in the adjective "dark-skinned." What exactly that's newsworthy is communicated in that phrase? A dark-skinned individual could be my swarthier Italian American relatives, or the Ethiopian who won the Boston marathon before it was bombed on Monday, and everyone in between. No, that's not the purpose of that phrase. That phrase is not there to convey journalistic information. What "dark-skinned" actually conveys with a wink and a nod is, 'Aha, all you folks who thought it was a bad Muslim who did this, you nailed it. And if you had al Qaeda in your own private betting pool you were right.' Let's be honest, that is the subtext that suffuses all of this. That is what our collective societal id is pushing us towards. But our job, our job in the media is not to flatter those knee-jerk presumptions for the sake of momentary titillation. It's to wrestle that id to the ground and get the facts right."

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    yabits

    No, sir. The president has a moral and legal obligation to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America

    Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) believes in scrapping the Constitution he swore an oath to uphold: He sent out two tweets as follows:

    1) If captured, I hope Administration will at least consider holding the Boston suspect as enemy combatant for intelligence gathering purposes.

    2) The last thing we may want to do is read Boston suspect Miranda Rights telling him to "remain silent."

    This is pretty breathtaking. Graham (no relation) is suggesting that an American citizen, captured on American soil, should be deprived of basic constitutional rights.

    Keep in mind that Graham isn't just an angry citizen; he's not even just a U.S. senator. He is also a trained lawyer, a colonel in Air Force Reserve, and a member of the Judge Advocate General's Corps, the legal arm of the Air Force. He also lamented that there wasn't a drone tracking the suspect.

  • 1

    Himajin

    No, he looks under the cover to see if an armed, wounded bomber is there. Idiot.

    The cover was flapping, and one of the straps was cut through so he thought it was a squirrel. He went out for some fresh air, as the lockdown for his neighborhood was lifted.

  • 1

    Surf O'Holic

    I have a question. Why was the elder brother dressed in the same uniform as the several other CRAFT team members?

  • 0

    Lizz

    Watching CNN really turns my stomach. They are bending over backwards to make up excuses for why the younger brother had done this. All his friends said that he was so pure, so kind, so American! Obviously he was tricked into doing what he had done. It must have been his older brother that did it to him!! What does his religion have to do with this anyway ?

    I guarantee if the bombers had been Tea Party racists inflamed by Rush Limbaugh and Christian teachings to murder children on Hitler’s birthday his ideology and every other piece of demographics would have everything to do with it.

  • -4

    SimondB

    Question I have is Boston had enough armoury, troops, police and others on the ground to invade another country. Yet somehow this guy managed to escape on foot no less, after a massive shootout with the authorities. How could this possibly happen?

  • 2

    yabits

    I guarantee if the bombers had been Tea Party racists inflamed by Rush Limbaugh and Christian teachings to murder children on Hitler’s birthday his ideology and every other piece of demographics would have everything to do with it.

    One can be assured that domestic extremists will have their day again. It's only a matter of time. If you want to attach "Tea Party," "Limbaugh" and religious influences to them, you are entitled to it.

    It must have been his older brother that did it to him!!

    As with all moments of crisis, America's system and its values are under test -- and the whole world is watching. Only an extremely weak or depraved society would believe it did not have humane and compassionate options accessible to it.

  • -1

    Lizz

    Speaking of compassion, perhaps this is a case of intelligence assets gone bad if the brothers were double agents sent to this county to infiltrate one Islamic sect or another. That could be a prime reason the second suspect was not killed. Clearly the FBI knew the identity of the terrorists before they released the video tapes to the public. I can't imagine that they didn't run the images past their own counter terrorism guys, one or more of whom had interviewed terrorist #1, and no doubt had his picture in their files.

  • 2

    Suzu1

    Yabits - There is already a national security exception to the Miranda rights. Considering your expressed interest in the U.S. Constitution, I'm surprised that you are unaware of this. The U.S. Attorney who will be prosecuting the case, Carmen Ortiz, explained it during the news conference following Tsarnaev's capture.

    There are times when it doesn't make sense to read suspects their Miranda rights. For example, with the Underwear Bomber there was more than enough to convict him based on the physical evidence (the bomb inside his underwear) and the eyewitnesses who saw him trying to detonate the bomb. Prosecutors didn't need any statements or confession from him so there was no jeopardy to the case if a statement he made couldn't be admissible in court. Not providing Miranda doesn't deprive a suspect of a right to a fair trial. It just prevents statements made by a suspect who was questioned while being detained from being used against him if Miranda was not read.

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    bass4funk

    This is a spurious and illogical definition of terrorism. By your account, Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza could be considered a terrorist. So could James Eagan Holmes, the Aurora mivoe theater shooter. So could any countless number of American citizens who went off the deep end and killed or maimed fellow citizens. Under your definition, anyone who chose to kill via a "crude" device, say a club, a hammer, a ice pick, could ostinsibly be charged with terrorism. No, I don't think your definition would pass muster by more reasonable people's account.

    They are indeed terrorists, it matters not whether you agree with me or not, that is what the definition is. They didn't use tulips to massacre people, they used violence to the fullest, therefore they are terrorists.

    As for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's taxpayer-subsidized trail, what's your point? He's a US citizen and as such has a constitutional right as a US citizen to legal counsel. It matters not one iota whether you personally agree with that or not.

    That's our system and yes, I don't agree, I personally want to see him in chains and delivered to the families that he destroyed and let them take out their vengeance on him. An eye for an eye.

    Actually, if they are US citizens, they do have the same rights. In addition, the 2008 Supreme Court decision in Boumediene v. Bush, (553 U.S. 723), held that "prisoners [in Guantanmo] had a right to the habeas corpus under the United States Constitution and that the Military Commissions Act of 2006 was an unconstitutional suspension of that right," whether US citizens or not.

    I know the law already, that's NOT my point. My point is the guy deserves something all right, a trail is not one of them in my own personel opinion.

    So clearly, you are wrong in this regard.

    Well, no, I'm not. Because it is my opinion.

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    yabits

    There is already a national security exception to the Miranda rights. Considering your expressed interest in the U.S. Constitution, I'm surprised that you are unaware of this.

    I am well aware of the Public Safety Exception. I haven't heard anyone justify its application in the case of this 19-year-old now safely in custody.

    Moreover, it in no way justifies a US Senator -- especially with Graham's legal background -- declaring that a US citizen who commits a crime on US soil should be designated as an enemy combatant. That route opens up a supposedly constitutional government to tremendous abuses of power.

  • 0

    Suzu1

    I am well aware of the Public Safety Exception. I haven't heard anyone justify its application in the case of this 19-year-old now safely in custody.

    Not clear what you mean - how could it be applied to someone who is not safely in custody? The justification for not providing Miranda rights has been repeatedly stated. The suspect needs to be interrogated to determine any links to terrorist groups, knowledge of other terror cells or pending plots, training provided, etc. Once Miranda is read you lose that ability - questioning has to stop until a lawyer is present, and a lawyer will always instruct the suspect to not make any statements.

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    yabits

    The suspect needs to be interrogated to determine any links to terrorist groups, knowledge of other terror cells or pending plots, training provided, etc.

    In order to invoke the Public Safety Exception, law enforcement has to have reasonable cause that there is an imminent threat to public safety. I haven't heard anyone justify that such an imminent threat exists, as it applies to this 19-year-old following his now-deceased older brother.

  • 0

    Suzu1

    Yabits - I'm sorry that the FBI, ATF and NSA have not had time to come brief you personally. The imminent threat comes from the fact that his brother went overseas and this angle of his radicalization and preparation as a terrorist needs to be fully investigated to ensure he was not part of a broader plot that continues to pose a threat. But the point remains that there is no need to Mirandize this guy since there is more than enough to convict him without any statements that have to be admissible in court. The focus needs to be on interrogating him to get as much intel from him as possible.

  • -1

    bass4funk

    (continued)

    It also bears noting that you seem to have a paradoxically narrow definition of terrorism when you suggest that it's all about killing "infidels." There are lots of terrorists in the world who don't give a damn about Islam. You might want to remember that fact.

    That is your own personal opinion, but you don't know me or know what I know, or what or how I think therefore you are going on pure speculation.

    Wow. You don't believe citizens of the United States have an obligation to uphold the very legal system we espouse as being the best in the world? Let me say again, wow.

    Yep, I sure did say it.

    No, sir. The president has a moral and legal obligation to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America and everythign that it means for its citizens. Nowhere in his oath, nor the oaths taken by the last 43 presidents, is there a mention of proving strength and steadfastness in any war on terror or otherwise.

    Here we go with the liberal rhetoric again, yes, the President has the absolute right and obligation to protect the country and if that means, he has to forfeit the constitution, then that is what needs to be done. Uphold the constitution, yes, but in a time of crisis, depending on the severity, the safety, the country and the people of the US come first.

    This is the sytem we live under, bass4funk. You can't just pick and choose which parts you like when it suits you.

    No one said that. I'm just stating that the president has an obligation to keep the country safe, at all cost. You either believe in the Constitution, or you don't.

    I do, perhaps not in the same way you do, but I do.

    I don't need to leave, I will just vote the politician that has the fortitude to do what he can to protect the country, that is MY choice. Boy, do I miss our last president.

    You either accept the rule of law, or you stand opposed to it, with all that entails. Barring these, you can give up citizenship and go find something more to your liking. These are your choices.

    I stand by the rule of law 110%, but I'm also a realist and believe there is real evil in this world and there are people that want to kill us by any means necessary, foreign and domestic.

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    yabits

    The imminent threat comes from the fact that his brother went overseas and this angle of his radicalization and preparation as a terrorist needs to be fully investigated to ensure he was not part of a broader plot that continues to pose a threat.

    The problem with your line is that, unlike the underwear bomber, this 19-year-old was not caught in the act of planting a bomb. The evidence is certainly incriminating but the fact that it is still circumstantial means that the exception should not apply.

    But the point remains that there is no need to Mirandize this guy since there is more than enough to convict him without any statements that have to be admissible in court.

    Convict him of what specific charge? Be very careful there, as the proof would have to be submitted to a jury. Can you prove he knew he was carrying a bomb and not just "helping" his brother out with some task not ever made clear to him until afterwards? How does the fact that his brother traveled overseas incriminate him?

    His not being caught in the act with full knowledge of his actions makes the exception not applicable. Those who despise what the constitution stands for in its protection of an accused may well feel otherwise.

  • 0

    Lizz

    Lanza wasn't a terrorist in the sense that a terrorist has political aims, usually enabled by a larger group or culture. It's not about the killing, it's about the fallout, whether that means reduction of freedom in exchange for security or just instilling fear in a population. It's punishment on society for a perceived wrong. A mass murderer just wants to take people out. They enjoy killing. They are self-absorbed and have no greater goal than to satisfy their own depraved desires. IMO.

  • 1

    Himajin

    Yet somehow this guy managed to escape on foot no less

    In a car, he even ran over his brother's body in escaping.

    One purpose of the Miranda waiver is to be able to immediately get information on any remaining devices .

  • 0

    Himajin

    The evidence is certainly incriminating but the fact that it is still circumstantial

    There is eye witness identification. He left his bag next to someone in the crowd purposely, and they made eye contact. While the spectator was still wondering why the guy left his bag, he got both his legs blown off.

  • 1

    blendover

    At the moment it seems obvious that, whilst the act can still be defined as a terrorist act, any connections that these youths had to organised terrorism were tenuous if they existed at all. Organised terrorists would have wanted them dead at the scene, and to have had a clear and instant message attached to the act.

    These kids were clearly not willing to sign up for that. They thought in their pot addled fantasy that they would be able to blend right back in as if nothing had happened and then strike again sometime later down the track. However, they didn't think through that they could get identified on video if they didn't disguise themselves, that the remains of the materials they used could be sourced, and that they should not have still had any evidence at all in their possession or onlne that they might have been connected to this.

    Beyond confirming the above, I doubt that there will be much intelligence value to be had from interviewing the surviving boy. Except of course if one of the two brothers was stupid enough to tell some poor suckers around campus or elsewhere what they were planning while they were high. In that case anybody they spoke too is going to feel a heavy weight.

  • -1

    Himajin

    Watching CNN really turns my stomach. They are bending over backwards to make up excuses for why the younger brother had done this. All his friends said that he was so pure, so kind, so American! Obviously he was tricked into doing what he had done.

    Muslims are exempt from criticism in the media. Slate had an article while all this was going on saying they hoped the perpetrators were white, so that talk of sinister groups could be avoided .

    the dynamics of privilege will undoubtedly influence the nation’s collective reaction to the attacks

    white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings — even though most come at the hands of white dudes.

    "Likewise, in the context of terrorist attacks, such privilege means white non-Islamic terrorists are typically portrayed not as representative of whole groups or ideologies, but as “lone wolf” threats to be dealt with as isolated law enforcement matters. Meanwhile, non-white or developing-world terrorism suspects are often reflexively portrayed as representative of larger conspiracies,"

    Not without evidence, though......al Queda and Hizballah are figments of the imagination?? White shooters have too, been allied with their causes like white supremacist movements and militias.

    "it’s easy to imagine conservatives citing Boston as a reason to block immigration reform defense spending cuts and the Afghan War withdrawal and to further expand surveillance and other encroachments on civil liberties."

    Liberals are tap-dancing around about these guys' affiliation to protect their pet projects of gun control and loosening of immigration laws.

    Muslim terrorism affecting the US doesn't happen just on American soil. They often do act in groups. Denying the truth won't make it go away.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/

    A list of Muslim terrorist attacks in the past few decades

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

    And the much shorter list of white right-wing attacks in the US.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism

  • 0

    mosher

    Here is a very important question, I wonder what is the motivation that made ​​them set off bombs, there is no history of war between Chechnya and America to be a reason for revenge,,, if al-Qaeda may be to say that in retaliation for the bombs started falling on Afghanistan every day and kill dozens or iraq,, it is natural to take revenge on anyone who lost his family or his relatives, but this person lives 10 years ago in America, perhaps one of the organizations paid them a sum of money,

  • 2

    yabits

    Muslims are exempt from criticism in the media. Slate had an article while all this was going on saying they hoped the perpetrators were white, so that talk of sinister groups could be avoided

    I read the Slate article and you didn't come close to getting it right. When an atrocity is committed by a white person, there is never an attempt to tie the act to the larger culture. When an atrocity is committed by a non-white, their entire culture comes under suspicion. It's not talk of "sinister groups" that is avoided -- and you just fell in your own trap -- it's the turning of an entire ethnic or religious population into a "sinister group."

    Liberals are tap-dancing around about these guys' affiliation to protect their pet projects of gun control and loosening of immigration laws.

    What utter nonsense.

  • -1

    Himajin

    How does a schizophrenic going off his meds and shooting a gun in a movie theater compare with organized terrorism? How many whites who've shot up a post office or killed themselves on courthouse steps were part of a larger movement?

    How many incidents are perpetrated by lone muslims?

  • -2

    Himajin

    'Nonsense'? Really? The older brother went to Chechenya last year for 6 months and came home radicalized..he has links and tributes up on his FB page to radical mullahs, and has been followed by the FBI for two years now. And the news outlets are putting out articles wondering if 'his brother put him up to it' and if it's 'another Columbine', do you swallow that without thinking about it?

  • -2

    Himajin

    there is never an attempt to tie the act to the larger culture

    Baloney.,....look at all the ballyhoo about guns these past few months. Never an attempt?

  • 0

    Lizz

    Baloney.,....look at all the ballyhoo about guns these past few months. Never an attempt?

    If it had been a white there would have been speculation more broadly centered around the White supremacist subculture and Tax Protest Groups, Tea Party, talk radio, unspecified right wing groups or even the NRA, etc. Especially Sarah Palin and she isn't even a male. lol Since Muslims are a much smaller minority of the population much less defined demographically to Americans, it is obviously easier to stereotype as extremists and jihadists than to make generalizations about Caucasian men.

  • 1

    Himajin

    Well, the suspects own family said this--

    " MONTGOMERY VILLAGE, Md. (AP) -- An uncle of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects says he had a falling-out with one of his nephews because of the man's increased commitment to Islam.

    Ruslan Tsarni says he grew concerned about Tamerlan Tsarnaev when he told him in a 2009 phone conversation that he had chosen "God's business" over work or school. Tsarni said he then contacted a family friend who told him Tsarnaev had been influenced by a recent convert to Islam."

  • 0

    Himajin

    White guys don't kill in the name of God. They tend to kill because they're mentally ill or they're pissed off about something , like that guy who set himself on fire in front of the courthouse in New Hampshire. Not like the recent Muslim convert in Ohio who went to his parent's church and shot his father dead saying it was 'Allah's will' or the Muslims in New Jersey who beheaded two Coptic Christians, cut off their hands and then buried the bodies. It's a whole other dynamic. I'm getting sick of hearing 'it's not about religion' when the evidence all points that way. And it's not white Christians doing it.

  • 0

    Cos

    Once Miranda is read you lose that ability - questioning has to stop until a lawyer is present,

    What is questioning in your twisted logic ? Something like water boarding or burning the guys with cigarettes ? You think forced confessions would help investigation ? Normally, it is simply asking questions to suspects, the police can continue questioning as long as they need, just not more than a few hours per day, politely and in presence of the lawyer.

    and a lawyer will always instruct the suspect to not make any statements.

    Not true in general, with the system of plea bargains. Then that changes what ? The suspects can refuse to talk, they don't need to be instructed about it.

    The imminent threat comes from the fact that his brother went overseas and this angle of his radicalization and preparation as a terrorist needs to be fully investigated to ensure he was not part of a broader plot that continues to pose a threat.

    Probably one million persons in the US could be arrested next hour with the same logic. Well, wait, probably have already missed a flight and spent hours interrogated as potential terrorists in airports... And that helped ? The real threat is the 2 brothers have not done it. The threat is there is a guy out there, preparing the next with even more ease now that he is cleared from suspicion now that they have "solved" the case. Like those IRA terro suspects arrested in England and in France, and 2 decades later, the cops had to admit they were the wrong persons. They had arrested people that had "the ethnic profile" and that were some kind of delinquents or related to delinquents.

  • -1

    Wolfpack

    The older brother apparently took a trip overseas recently for over six months. It will be interesting to find out what he was up to during that time. Don't be surprised if he got assistance from some Islamist whack jobs on how to kill the maximum number of American's while gaining the maximum amount of publicity. We already know that the older brother was a radicalized jihadi. Looks as though he had influence over the younger brother who was convinced to go along with the scheme.

    I doubt that this is a case of purely domestic terrorism by some radicalized men who acted on their own. The early evidence suggests otherwise. However, what we can say for certain is that they were Islamists engaged in jihad. There is really no doubt about that.

  • 2

    cleo

    Don't be surprised if he got assistance from some Islamist whack jobs on how to kill the maximum number of American's

    By that logic, they were working alone. Three dead is obviously three too many, but it's hardly 'the maximum number of Americans' (actually one was Chinese, but wackos don't worry about things like that) or what you'd expect from a well-organised terrorist group. A radical whacko terrorist group would have persuaded the mules to walk into a crowded area and detonate their bombs on their person, thus killing themselves and guaranteeing many many more deaths. The subsequent gunfights show that the brothers were not suicide bombers, more likely deranged amateurs.

  • 0

    LFRAgain

    Wolfpack,

    We already know that the older brother was a radicalized jihadi.

    No, we don't know this. That's speculation on your part.

  • 0

    Olegek

    Himajin White guys don't kill in the name of God.

    They kill in the name of Democracy.....

  • 0

    Nessie

    Here is a very important question, I wonder what is the motivation that made ​​them set off bombs, there is no history of war between Chechnya and America to be a reason for revenge

    One of them had Youtube links to a radical Lebanese-Australian Wahabbit extremist. The precise motivatino is not known, but it's not farfetched to suspect personal maladjustment and the influence of radical Islamism.

  • -1

    Himajin

    No, we don't know this. That's speculation on your part.

    No it isn't . His uncle said so , live on TV, as did one of his neighbors. He went to Russia dressed as an American and clean-shaven, and when he came back he had grown a full beard and was wearing traditional clothing. He became more and more vocal about religion, and had his wife start to wear the hajib (and she's Italian-Portuguese, converted). He told he uncle he was no longer going to devote time to work, school or boxing, but 'do God's work'.

  • -1

    Olegek

    Himajin He went to Russia dressed as an American and clean-shaven, and when he came back....

    So Americans should not visit Russia ......

    • Moderator

      Back on topic please.

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    Himajin

    Now you're just being silly.

    • Moderator

      Back on topic please.

  • 0

    nandakandamanda

    The cops had the older brother handcuffed and lying on the road. Then the younger brother drives the SUV towards them and runs over his brother as he escapes. Sounds like these two had agreed that neither would be taken alive.

    Sounds too like they will be charging the younger brother with one more thing, his older brother's death.

  • 0

    AkariYoshida

    He just doesn't seem like the terrorist type. Though i guess you can't judge a book by its cover. I'm glad he was caught though, praise God no one else was injured !

  • 0

    sincerely999

    I can't understand why the brothers did such an outrageous, inhumanity thing in Boston. Even death penalty would not able to save their sin. Although I am an ox in a lamb's skin.

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