Monday May 28, 2012

McCain defends VP pick

ST PAUL, Minnesota —

Republican White House candidate John McCain on Sunday defended his choice of Sarah Palin as running mate against Democratic claims she is dangerously inexperienced.

McCain’s wife Cindy, meanwhile, said Palin credentials were bolstered by the fact that she hails from Alaska, the closest part of the U.S. continent to Russia, to which her husband has adopted a tough political line.

“She’s got the right judgment. She doesn’t think like Senator Obama does that Iran is a minor irritant,” McCain said an interview with Fox News Sunday on the eve of the Republican National Convention here.

“She’s been a commander in chief of the Alaska national guard,” said McCain, adding Palin’s son, who is in the U.S. Army, is shortly to be deployed to Iraq.

“I’m proud of her knowledge,” McCain said.

Democrats and some political commentators have savaged McCain’s pick of Palin, 44, a mother of five, over her lack of expertise in foreign affairs, saying she is too inexperienced to be a “heartbeat” away from the presidency.

McCain’s wife Cindy also defended her husband’s decision to turn to Palin, which electrified the crucial conservative power base in the Republican Party.

“She is heavily experienced in what she has done,” said Cindy McCain on ABC News This Week.

“The experience that she comes from is with what she’s done in the government,” she said of the former mayor and Alaska governor.

“And, also, remember, Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia. So it’s not as if she doesn’t understand what’s at stake here.”

Democrat John Kerry, however, a key ally of Democratic nominee Barack Obama, lashed out at the selection, saying on ABC that it proved McCain was “erratic”

“John McCain’s judgment is once again, put at issue, because he’s chosen somebody who clearly doesn’t meet the national security threshold, who is not ready to be president tomorrow.

“He’s chosen somebody who actually doesn’t believe that climate change is man made. He’s chosen somebody who has zero—zero experience in foreign policy.”

Wire reports

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    DXXJP

    Wow I have been to Alaska, middle east, Europe, and even Asia so why didnt does that mean Im just as experienced.

    And what does Russia being across the street have to do with this broads foreign policy experience. I lived forty miles away from the uni bomber does that mean Im also a expert on terrorist.

    This was a last ditch effort to stay in a race that he cant win. By the way whos the mommy.

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    Taka313

    “And, also, remember, Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia. So it’s not as if she doesn’t understand what’s at stake here.”

    I've seen this brought up. Can anyone tell me what legislation she has passed or what crisis she has worked on or what interaction Gov. Palin has had at all regarding Russia?

    John Stewart cuts through that spin rather nicely I believe:

    "Now that I think about it - Alaska is also next to the North Pole, so she must also be friends with Santa."

    But I think the most scathing rebuke of her experience comes from the evil one himself, karl rove, who had this to say about Gov. Tim Kaine's experience:

    http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=s-jrk2e0MMs

    So...anyone else see any similarities? Could rove's analysis also apply to Gov. Palin who has been Gov. for 20 months and was mayor of a city of 5500?

    Taka

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    smithinjapan

    “And, also, remember, Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia. So it’s not as if she doesn’t understand what’s at stake here.”

    I once had to detour to Anchorage airport... doesn't mean I've been to Russia, or anywhere near. Hell, I LIVE closer to Russia now than I ever did before, and I can't speak the language. Can Palin? She's also close to the Northern Lights, so... does she 'understand what's at stake'?

    In other words, Cindy's comments are so out in left field they are ludicrous.

    Other than McCain being 'proud of her knowledge' (of what?), how does he defend his pick of a woman who has less experience than Obama -- for which he has based his entire campaign? Of course, he is more or less speechless, as he simply can't defend his own flip-flopping once again.

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    smithinjapan

    Oh, and I'm curious.... what does Palin think about opening up the Alaskan refuges to drilling?

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    DS

    "Can anyone tell me what legislation she has passed or what crisis she has worked on or what interaction Gov. Palin has had at all regarding Russia?"

    Probably about as much as Obama.

    Plus, she has been in charge of a state with a $6 billion budget. What has either Obama OR Biden been in charge of? That's right, nothing. Palin is the only person on either side who has actually run an organization. And run it very successfully.

    No need to defend her selection at all- it was a brilliant move by McCain. NOW who has "change we can believe in"? The guy who picked a 30 year plus permanent lifetime politician as a running mate, or the guy who picked someone who actually CHANGED the political landscape of her state?

    I am not sure why she is being compared to Obama anyway. Obama is running for PRESIDENT. Palin is not. The job requirements are a lot different. Having a political neophyte at the bottom of the ticket is far safer than having one at the top.

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    Altria

    I am not sure why she is being compared to Obama anyway. Obama is running for PRESIDENT. Palin is not. The job requirements are a lot different. Having a political neophyte at the bottom of the ticket is far safer than having one at the top.

    If anything happens to McCain, she's gotta take over as President.

    She's an interesting pick though, it's really going to shake up both campaigns.

    Obama can't claim that McCain is 4 more years of Bush/Cheney McCain can't claim that Obama is inexperienced, after his own VP pick

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    JoeBigs

    McCain’s wife Cindy, meanwhile, said Palin credentials were bolstered by the fact that she hails from Alaska, the closest part of the U.S. continent to Russia, to which her husband has adopted a tough political line.

    10 reasons why I should have been the choice for VP instead of Palin:

    1. I have lived close to Cuba, I have lived in Spain, Japan and have traveled to South America. I know people from all over the world.

    (Foreign policy)

    1. I served in the US Navy.

    (Military back ground)

    1. I was Commander and Chief of my own Company.

    (In charge of a force)

    1. I ran the IT department of a Petroleum Company for 10 years.

    (Management skills)

    1. I know what the Vice Presidents does for this nation.

    (Knowledge of the office of the Vice President)

    1. I know what the Constitution of the United is.

    (Understand how the United States government is suppose to run)

    1. In went to College, History, Math, English I excelled at all three.

    (Educational background)

    1. I have won a few contests in my live. True they were not beauty contest but they were contest.

    (Means nothing but hell Palin used hers to get the job why cant I?)

    1. I can program in various Computer languages. Also played football and baseball.

    (Shows I know something, she can play the flute.)

    1. I can speak multiple languages.

    (More for foreign affairs)

    Oh and did I mention that I was not from Alaska!LOL Alaska, what the hell was this old man thinking! Has he lost his bloody mind???LOL

    See I too have what it takes to be good old Mc babies VP!

    Hell White House here I come, look out DC Joe Bigs is coming your way! Ohhhhhhh YEAH! LOL

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    sailwind

    Non-Partisan think tank.

    Has Biden's complete experience on the right side to click to compare. Good site for comparision.

    http://www.usglobalengagement.org/ForeignPolicySnapshotofMcCainsVP/tabid/3064/Default.aspx

    Excerpt on Palin.

    Palin has worked to expand partnerships with Alaska companies overseas. During her first year in office, Alaska exported to 100 foreign destinations exports, reaching $3.9 billion worth of exports, an annual increase of roughly 3 percent. This marked the second highest export level in Alaskan history.

    Governor Palin has also hosted delegations from all over the world including a delegation of Chinese officials to observe the delivery of rural health care in Alaska and Canadian officials to promote economic cooperation and trade.

    Her experience is pretty thin but realistically a heck of lot more than just being close to Russia, or most of us I dare say unless we involved in global trade realtions and work somehow.

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    cleo

    Whichever party wins, the VP this time round will be a lot closer to the presidency than is usual.

    For McCain/Palin, it's just a matter of time and how long his health can hold out.

    For Obama/Biden, massive security a la Bush is the only thing keeping the threat of assassination at bay. It's a cliche, but the assassins only need to succeed once, the security men have to be successful all the time.

    I will be so glad when the November fiasco is out of the way and JT can go back to being JT for the next three years instead of a USAToday election bulletin board.

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    JoeBigs

    Her experience is pretty thin but realistically a heck of lot more than just being close to Russia, or most of us I dare say unless we involved in global trade realtions and work somehow.

    Alaska our first line of defense against those Ruskies! Dude she has been in office for one year.

    Any mayor from any city in America has foreign mayors and delegates come to their city. It is a common practice between countries.

    I really can not believe that the Repbulicans can not find a better qualified woman than her.

    Sad for the party I used to belong to, real sad.

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    TheConservative

    JoeBigs; I beg to differ. She is a hardworking woman with integrity. A woman with strong beliefs that she puts into practise in her own life.

    Compare her to either Obama or BIden, and you shall see she is far superior on all counts, especially morally.

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    DS

    Why is everyone so worried about McCain's health? He's the only presidential candidate that still has a living parent. Genetics are on his side.

    I am sure that there are better qualified people than Palin for the VP job, but that's not the point. The same can be said for Biden, who has made a 3 decade career out of slurping from the public trough. There are better qualified people than everyone, on both parties' tickets, for the jobs they seek. Palin is a good combination of political expedience and skill. As is Biden.

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    moonbeams

    The Conservative,

    "Morallay" is your opinion based from your views. From my point of view, Obama holds the hightest degree of morality that I have ever witnessed from a candidate for the Presidency.

    Guns only get more people maimed and killed. Respect for the environment. Respect for an individual's religious views. Respect for the other party. (There's a damning audio clip floating around of Palin laughing during a radio interview where they call her opponent "a cancer.") Fighting for the underclass. War. Diplomacy over violence.

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    SushiSake3

    Good grief, McCain must be out of his mind to tap a person - who would be expected to take over as CinC should he die or have a major health malfunction - as his veep.

    This move has desperation written all over it, I'm afraid.

    That said, I've got to admit this election campaign just became even crazier (read: more interesting) - now we've got color, age **and **gender in the mix, which introduces even more opportinities for hypocrisy, sexism, ageism and double standards to be exposed for the entertainment for all of us in the spectator stands.

    I'd probably put down money if this election campaign was a spectator sport, LOL!

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    SushiSake3

    TheConservative - !Compare her to either Obama or BIden, and you shall see she is far superior on all counts, especially morally."

    Can you make and state some of thees comparisons for us?

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    TheConservative

    SushiSake3- She has never belonged to a church that preaches hatred towards white people and tells the congregation they have no reason to love America.

    Obama joked and chatted to European despots, without once questioning human rights abuses.

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    Taka313

    Probably about as much as Obama.

    So...you have no idea if she's had anything to do with Russia is what you're saying. Proximity is everything I guess.

    Sail, Thanks for the link. I was hoping it would list some legislation she has worked on with Russia or something (anything), but other than the assumption that she may have worked to export some stuff to Russia, I couldn't find anything else. I guess the idea that she's got foreign policy experience because of her proximity to Russia is about as far as it goes. Proximity equals experience.

    I'd call that a stretch.

    Taka

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    DS

    The only thing Russian that Obama has worked on is the dressing for his salad.

    I think that 2 years being state governor would be more qualification for president than 2 years in the senate. IF Obama and Palin were running head to head, it would be a close call on which is more qualified to be president. Obama and McCain? No contest.

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    SushiSake3

    Taka - "I guess the idea that she's got foreign policy experience because of her proximity to Russia is about as far as it goes. Proximity equals experience. I'd call that a stretch."

    Everything's possible if you're a Republican, ha ha :-)

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    Taka313

    The only thing Russian that Obama has worked on is the dressing for his salad.

    And according to you, Gov. Palin PROBABLY has as much experience as him. Wow. With friends like you, who needs enemies?

    Here's hoping that gunshot wound to the foot heals up. ;-)

    And Gov. Palin has served 20 months, not 2 years.

    Taka

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    Alphaape

    “He’s chosen somebody who actually doesn’t believe that climate change is man made.

    Easy there John Kerry, the jury is still out on that one. Yes I think that we all can be better stewards of the earth and put less smog in the air and less pollution in the oceans and waters, but I think that if we did nothing, within time, the earth's temperature will rise. I remember back in the 1970's the big scare was the oncoming new "Ice Age" that was about to hit and make winters longer and colder, and we would see snow fall in places that it hadn't before. Still waiting for that to happen.

    Jonh Kerry, you need to stick with your wife, and make sure that the production of ketchup is working. If you keep it up, I will switch from Heinz to Del Monte brand of ketchup.

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    ColAmerica

    SushSake3 and Taka313; You are both reduced to silly remarks, as you still pin your hope on a loser.

    Palin is better than both Dems, she is a true patrtiot, not scared of responding to difficult foreign issues.

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    zurcronium

    Even the repubs know this is a desperation move by mccain. Its a shallow silly move by a tired and losing mccain to try and divert the change agenda from obama. The snow bunny is simply hucabee in a skirt. Nothing new there. These are the people that have derailed the US government for the last eight years.

    She is the governor of a state with more moose than people. mccain picked her to consolidate the winger christian crowd and it has worked as the posts demonstrate. Unquailifed? No matter. Believes that the earth is 5000 years old and that dinosaurs were jesus horses? No matter. Its the rightwing once again falling for the not so clever manipulations of their simplistic beliefs. Its the whole WMD in Iraq storyline again and as they say, fool me twice shame on me.

    mccain made a huge mistake not picking the mitt. No one would be debating his qualifications. Mitt must be fuming being passed over by a snow bunny. Why didnt mccain pick thompson even, he was a hero for the repubs for about five minutes.

    Oh well, its just one more step the destruction of the repub party. Bush started the job and mccain will finish it this year in November.

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    Taka313

    Palin is better than both Dems, she is a true patrtiot, not scared of responding to difficult foreign issues.

    Difficult foreign issues such as....? I'm still waiting on that one. She's being touted as experienced because she's the Governor of a state close to Russia, yet no one has been able to offer any examples of that experience, other than exporting stuff (probably).

    Taka

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    ColAmerica

    Taka313; Difficult decisions, such as the possible liberation of Iran, staying in Iraq for the long term, possibel tough action against bad boy Putin.

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    Taka313

    col. She has experience in these things? When did that happen? I haven't read anything showing her gaining experience in Iranian, Iraqi or with Putin while Governor, did she do all that while she was the Mayor of Wasilla?

    Taka

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    ColAmerica

    She has the backing of McCain, do you think he would pick a numbskull?

    Taka313, your comments are a bit like Obama, as shallow as a worms grave, hahaha!!!

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    zurcronium

    I have been to Wasilla, a nice town, but for the repubs out there its not moscow.

    No need to thank me for the clarification.

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    JoeBigs

    Yes the mighty State of Alaska, with a population of 683,000 people one Rep and 2 Senators. Alaska is a power house, Alaska has more seals than any other state. Yes ladies and gents Alaska!

    This fine State is the Largest State in the US. You have to be one hard working Governor to be this States Governor. Think of all the time you have to spend doing.........Forget about that part......Ok now where was I Rush?

    Oh oh yes thank you Rush, yes Alaska truly a maverick state for a maverick of a Presidential candidate! What other state has brought you great politicians like Lisa Ann Murkowski she supports stem cell. A Great Republican she is also Pro Choice. She has had some ethical problems but hell she is from Alaska. A truly maverick state!

    Then we have the great truly great Republican Ted "please build me a house" Stevens. This man is a true Republican maverick from a Maverick state. Sure he can not pass up a shady donations and help from "friends" but darn it he is a maverick from a maverick state! Ethics who needs ethics when you are a maverick?

    Yes Alaska has given us many great things, the Valdes Oil spill. Think of all those jobs that that little sucker gave the country! Sure it was an eco disaster, but what is a few dead birds when you have so many new jobs! Think of it if Alaska "the maverick state" could only have one more spill all the problems in America would be fixed!

    Yes Alaska, this great state has given us.....one minute please doing more research......Well I will find something in a bit......

    Ok where was I Rush, oh thank you....Ok Now Alaska has given us VP candidate Susan Palin. Yes this is the Susan Palin that built the Alaskan pipe line with her own two hands. Yes she also discovered the secret of making bread! Yes she is one hell of a Governor!

    Alaska is one big state, and she is one tough Governor! Who else could run that that other than her. Now coming on her second year in office. She has done so much for this great country. She helped Ted Stevens with the "Bridge to no where" bill and made sure to kill it when she found out it was going to cost Alaska some cash.

    One second doing more research...................Yes yes yes, she went to Kuwait! Yes you see I found something! Yes she went to Kuwait to support the troops like a good Commander and chief! Did I mention that the city of Anchorage has a population of 279,671. Sure it is not the capital but it is a lager state. Hell, Anchorage is the largest city in the US if you dont count any other cities!

    Sure you maybe saying to yourself,"what has she done to deserve this?" well ah we.......Ah, one moment going to play some marching music for you.

    I hoped you enjoyed the music, now where was I Rush? Ah no let us not go to that subject. Ok moving on.....

    Ah yes Palin may not be known in the US yet. But in time you will remember her name as well as you remember Geraldine Anne Ferraro! Yes Palin a maverick for a maverick!

    The future of the Republican party is set! It will make history soon enough and all those folks who are laughing right now will learn to fear her! Yes the future is set in stone!

    ::::::ok we done? Rush what the hell was Mc thinking, Alaska? LOL!!!: what what we are still on? quick turn it off!!!

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    Taka313

    col. I absolutely do not think Sen. McCain would pick a numbskull. I'm asking a relatively simple question. Gov. Palin is being touted as experienced because she is the Governor of a state that is close to Russia. I asked for examples of said experience.

    There has been no answer other than DS's, who stated that she probably has the experience of having Russian dressing on her salad, or something to that effect.

    And DS is supporting her!!

    Taka

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    ColAmerica

    Taka313; She does not have experience such a sMcCain,a s she has not been serving for as long as him.

    I am sure she can pick it up as she goes along, after all Clinton did, although he failed, and let Bin Laden escape.

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    JoeBigs

    ColAmerica at 12:29 PM JST - 1st September She has the backing of McCain, do you think he would pick a numbskull? Taka313, your comments are a bit like Obama, as shallow as a worms grave, hahaha!!!

    My god, this is all you Right winger have to say? Old man Mc would not pick a numbskull to be his running mate?

    Now this comment of yours is about Senator John Mccain? The same John MCcain was quoted as saying;

    "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I *should," McCain said. "I've got Greenspan's book."

    And his knowledge of foreign policy is so good that he also quoted the following:

    "Pressed to elaborate, McCain said it was 'common knowledge and has *reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that's well known. And it's unfortunate.'

    Are you talking about this same Senator Mccain?LOL

    Alaska!!! The man is a NUMBSKULL!LOL Alaska!LOL

    Thank you for his new title, Numbskull John "the maverick" Mccain! LOL

    He has completely lost what was left of his mind.

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    ColAmerica

    JoeBigs; At least McCain is honest about his abilities. Obama is perfect with the answer to everything , so i hear.

    Luckily voters will pick McCain and Palin for sure.

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    SezWho2

    She is heavily experienced in what she has done.

    Aren't we all!

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    cow76

    Nice choice of words: 'heartbeat'. McCain could die any day (although he probably won't) and put someone with no experience in charge of the US. That's just a little bit scary although she couldn't be worse than Bush. Could she?

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    Proffessor

    Mccain just handed the presidency to Obama "lol"

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    Taka313

    Sez,

    I hate the overuse of "LOL" but that one truly did cause me to laugh out loud.

    Thanks.

    Taka

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    sailwind

    Joebigs,

    Biden is a Senator from Delaware.

    Population estimates by the Census Bureau for 2005 place the population of Delaware at 843,524.

    Largest city Delaware Wilmington...... population of the city is 72,826

    You have some point other than trying to say folks in Alaska are just a bunch backward hicks? What about Biden he from Delaware!!!! LOL that don't even have a pro football team! See, how easy this is.

    I could make the same case about folks from Delaware all day long based on your population data. What is with the Beverly Hillbillies stereotype? Think Sarah is going to call the first swimming pool she sees a cement pond?

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    DS

    A neophyte president (Obama) or a neophyte vice president (Palin). WHich has the potential to do more harm?

    I cannot believe that Palin's lack of experience is being used against her when the guy at the TOP of the Democratic ticket is in the same boat. It's complaining about the speck in your friend's eye while ignoring the log in your own (poorly paraphrased Bible quote).

    If McCain is elected and then dies in office, someone with little experience will be the President. If Obama wins the election, someone with little experience will be the President. Why are people so worried about the former and not the latter? It boggles the mind...

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    Taka313

    ds,

    I cannot believe that Palin's lack of experience is being used against her when the guy at the TOP of the Democratic ticket is in the same boat.

    Wait a minute. You're the one who said that she probably has as much experience as the guy whose only Russian experience is his salad dressing.

    As far as this thread is concerned, the person who has levied the most scathing rebuke of Gov. Palin's experience is YOU.

    Talk about mind boggling! There goes the other foot.

    Taka

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    TonyUS

    I think McCain's choice is great move... Get The female vote that was for Hilary. yeah RIGHT!!!!!! And..... isn't this the state that has the Alaskan pipe line that does not send oil north any more??? a pipe line that is not even supplying us oil??? Is this the same state she is from???

    McCain is another large corporate backer by where his campaign funds has originated and just another puppy as the GOP has been these last eight years that has stopped, fixed income families from getting cheap drugs from Canada, and why are the drugs cheaper from Canada in the first place??????? Just shows how we as Americans are RIPPED off because of those supporting these large corporate interests..

    The republicans and even many democrats are completely out of touch with evry day life of Americans all around the country.

    At least Obama , age being a plus with this issue has not been long time away from peoples everyday hardships and will fight for those he has associated his life to helping before setting off to run for president.

    If there is a chance for real change and priorities to be set for the American public, it will be Obama to begin the change that has been needed for the last 20 years or easily to say thirty years.

    Not any of these facts can be ignored even with a pick of a female candidate, because it all boils down to the base of the republican party, big business and being sponsors of such at the common people’s expense.

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    frontandcentre

    Why defend such a great choice....from the Democrats' point of view?

    McCain kicks it, and you have a "pro-life (hah)" NRA member and hardcore religious nut case with no experience in charge of the US. Don't put yourselves in that position, please...

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    JoeBigs

    sailwind at 01:08 PM JST - 1st September Joebigs, Biden is a Senator from Delaware.

    Btw did you happen to forget the Biden has 35 years experience how many years of Washington experience does Palin have again?

    Population estimates by the Census Bureau for 2005 place the population of Delaware at 843,524.

    Hm maybe my none right wing math is wrong but isnt 683,478 (Alaska) less than 864,764 (2007) (Delaware)? Now I could be wrong I am an Independent.

    Largest city Delaware Wilmington...... population of the city is 72,826

    You also forgot to mention that Alaska is 656,424 sq mi or 1,717,854 km² for those using the metric system.

    While Delaware is 2,490 sq mi or 6,452 km² for our metric using friends.

    Doesnt this make Delaware a more populated State? Now again I am an Independent and I could be wrong.

    You have some point other than trying to say folks in Alaska are just a bunch backward hicks?

    Interesting, I made no mention of the term "Hick" in any of my posts. Why would you add this to my post? Are you trying to make me seem as a bigot? Hm sad tactics.

    But my point is not of the people of Alaska or the lack of them. My point is that Susan Palin is not qualified to assume the office of the VP let alone possibly the office of the President.

    Having a person who is so inexperienced in the VP spot and may become President is very scary to me. I dont know about you but I would have Biden as the VP than Palin. At least with Biden there I know things can get done.

    Let us not forget, Susan Palin did not even know that the VP is the President and tie breaking vote in the Senate. How qualified is someone that does not even know this?

    What about Biden he from Delaware!!!! LOL that don't even have a pro football team! See, how easy this is.

    Dont know much about politics I see, Biden has more experience than Palin. Please do a bit of research before you make comments like that.

    I could make the same case about folks from Delaware all day long based on your population data. What is with the Beverly Hillbillies stereotype? Think Sarah is going to call the first swimming pool she sees a cement pond?

    To be the governor of a state with a population less than the State of Delaware says more for her experience than anything I could ever type.

    Why dont you bring up "HER" experience versus Joe Bidens? Do you truly believe that she has more experience than him? If so please tell why you do.

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    Sarge

    "dangerously inexperienced"

    That would be Barack Obama.

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    Sarge

    Heck, McCain doesn't have to defend Palin - that feisty woman can defend herself!

    McCain said, "She stands up for what's right, and she doesn't let anyone tell her to sit down. She's exactly who I need."

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    SushiSake3

    JoeBigs - "Having a person who is so inexperienced in the VP spot and may become President is very scary to me."

    That's precisely my fear, too.

    But what I'm really happy about is that at least most intelligent Republicans understand that McCain's pick of VP is nothing more than blatant pandering to dissafected Hillary voters.

    Something else I'm glad that most intelligent Republicans understand is that while Sarah Palin may live "close to Russia," that in no way makes her an "expert" on foreign affairs any more than going to school makes you a professor.

    In fact, I feel truly blessed to be in the presence of so many intelligent Republicans on this board.....

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    frontandcentre

    Sarge - I seem to remember you saying that you'd prefer Mickey Mouse to McCain to win the GOP nomination, or words to that effect. You seem to have changed your tune

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    SushiSake3

    "dangerously inexperienced"

    Sarge - "That would be Barack Obama."

    So, you would prefer someone who is "dangerously inexperienced" in economic issues - John McCain - instead?

    Why?

    McCain has admitted he is clueless about economic issues - why do you think that will make him a good CinC considering the US economy is in a rut right now because Republicans like John McCain fundamentally do not understand even basic economic principles?

    Sarge, you really need to look hard at priorities and stop just following the crowd.

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    soldave

    Sarge - in that case, why is he defending her? Or is he trying to cover his own back?

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    mar4eO

    Looks like poor Senator McCain needs to defend his veep choice even more.

    He and Gov. Palin drew record crowds today in Missouri.

    The McCain campaign reported a whopping 7 million dollars in donations in the first twenty-four hours after announcement of his running mate choice.

    Talk show radio hosts across the country report that with many of their female callers the relatively unknown Gov. Palin is already being referred to simply as 'Sarah'.

    I don't sense desperation on Republican/conservative websites or from established voices like National Review.

    I do see from many Democrats however that same foolish tendency to 'misunderstimate' the opponent.

    It handed the presidency to George W Bush.

    Twice.

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    SushiSake3

    FrontandCenter - Sarge was and still is dead right - Mickey Mouse is more qualified than Sen. McCain to win the GOP nomination.

    I cannot argue with that.

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    Sarge

    f&c- I admit McCain isn't my first choice to be the Republican nominee, but I'm pretty sure I never said I'd prefer Mickey Mouse to him.

    Sushi - The president's job is not micro-managing the economy. McCain, if elected, and like any other president, would have economic advisors.

    The job of CinC is completely different from that of an economist. Even you would admit McCain is more than qualified for that aspect of the job, no?

    soldave - I don't know why he's defending her, he certainly doesn't have to defend her - Palin's an excellent choice.

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    frontandcentre

    Sarge, come on - she needs defending, because she's yet another cartoon character of the GOP. A novelty act supposed to distract attention from the Obama bandwagon, which seems to be building up some momentum. McCain is at least a man who has given a lot for his country - the complete opposite of a deserter & serial quitter, that's for sure - but time for him to take a break and not send himself to an early grave doing a highly stressful job starting aged 72.

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    SushiSake3

    Sarge - "The president's job is not micro-managing the economy. McCain, if elected, and like any other president, would have economic advisors."

    So, how do you explain your and other Republican's issues about Obama not being qualified/experienced?

    Surely the same would apply to Obama, no?

    "Sarge, Even you would admit McCain is more than qualified for that aspect of the job, no?"

    McCain can't even count how many houses he has without referring the question to an advisor.

    In my book, not only is Sen. McCain an intellectual liteweight on sensible foreign policy, but he is an even lighterweight on economic issues.

    Not someone that should be given the opportunity to run the USA.

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    sailwind

    Btw did you happen to forget the Biden has 35 years experience how many years of Washington experience does Palin have again?

    None....Most folks consider that an asset nowadays, Washington insiders aren't exactly held in high esteem anymore. Why do think Obama got the nomination over the consummate Washington insider Hillary?

    Hm maybe my none right wing math is wrong but isnt 683,478 (Alaska) less than 864,764 (2007) (Delaware)? Now I could be wrong I am an Independent.

    Pretty small population for a State in the union both Alaska and Delaware no matter how you slice it, I'm an independent also by the way but do tend toward right of center and generally vote Republican. I've never hidden my political leanings as long as I've posted here.

    Interesting, I made no mention of the term "Hick" in any of my posts. Why would you add this to my post? Are you trying to make me seem as a bigot? Hm sad tactics.

    Alaska is a power house, Alaska has more seals than any other state. Yes ladies and gents Alaska!

    Ok Now Alaska has given us VP candidate Susan Palin. Yes this is the Susan Palin that built the Alaskan pipe line with her own two hands. Yes she also discovered the secret of making bread!

    Sorry, I guess I read your "praise" for the folks that live in Alaska wrong. Hick's normally buy their bread at the supermarket. Governor Palin was busy when not baking some or building the pipeline with her own bare hands playing with al those seals you mentioned.

    To be the governor of a state with a population less than the State of Delaware says more for her experience than anything I could ever type.

    Each State has two Senators which means that Joe Biden represents just half of the State of Delaware's population. which means he represents less people than Governor Palin. You might want to rethink that argument a bit.

    Why dont you bring up "HER" experience versus Joe Bidens? Do you truly believe that she has more experience than him? If so please tell why you do.

    I don't believe she has more experience than him and I honestly share your concerns. However I look at her experience as a Governor of a State and an executive of said State. And even though it is short just as Obama's record is in the Senate, the record she does has is to put it bluntly impressive.

    Senator Biden's record is also impressive and I praised Obama's choice in picking him. He brings ton's of stuff to the table that Obama needs to shore up his weaknesses and as the first real decision a potential President makes it was sound and moved me a long way toward considering again.

    As for McCain picking Sarah Biden, it was a brilliant decision. The lady is a rising star in the republican Party has been for a long time was always on McCain list's as a possible running mate. She sure isn't a part of the Washington establishment and will go along way in blunting Obamna's main theme of tying McCain to Bush every chance they can get. She brings back the social conservative wing back into the fold and compliments McCain appeal to the independents that always did like his reputation as a maverick that does go agaisn't conventional wisdom.

    If I was the Democrats I'd change tack and go with McCain is too much of a Maverick and unpredictable as shown by his choice of Governor Palin. McCain just stole back the mantle of Washington outsider with his pick (though he sure is one) and left Obama holding that bag with Senators Biden's 30 year plus career.

    Either way you look at joe in my opinion McCain really showed he sure can shake up politics like he always has. That's always been the man's greatest appeal.

    Just my opinion so far.

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    SushiSake3

    Sailwind, good post - very well thought out.

    Can I ask your opinion about the potential scenario of Ms. Palin finding herself as President should something happen to sen. McCain?

    What do you see happening there? Good? Bad?

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    goodDonkey

    sailwind

    Biden is a Senator from Delaware. Population estimates by the Census Bureau for 2005 place the population of Delaware at 843,524.

    Biden is a Senator of the U.S. with a population of over 300 million. There is no way to compare the two in terms of sphere of influence. You can argue that she is the top executive but you cannot use a figure of 843,524 unless he is the Senator of that state. Any statement doing so is disingenuous.

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    Madverts

    Heh, just the clips of Palin shooting an automatic rifle must have shook the foundations with glee for certain in holed up in the basements for duration of the run-up to the elections.

    Reminded me of the "Chicks with Guns" video in Tarrantino's Jackie Brown.

    Pretty scary folks if you ask me...

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    SebastianFlyte

    What is all the fuss about!? USA is irrelevant nowadays, so it doesn't matter who wins the presidential race.

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    Madverts

    "USA is irrelevant nowadays"

    Don't be silly.

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    goodDonkey

    Sarge

    "dangerously inexperienced" [quoting another poster] That would be Barack Obama.

    Unless you are willing to attribute each and every statement you make about Obama to Abraham Lincoln then all those points are moot. Obama has more experience than Lincoln did initially as a candidate. So, if you are willing to continue to wave your flag and say that you never would have voted for Abraham Lincoln, then and only then continue.

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    SimondB

    I can't help but ask of those people who are now claiming that she is the obvious choice, wonderfully experienced etc - if someone had mentioned her name to you last week would you have known who they were talking about?

    No, I thought not. And talk about grasping at straws! She lives in the state closest to Russia and therefore.............OK, I may not be pretty but do I really look that stupid. She became VP pick by being the ninth lucky caller on a radio show.

    And here is an interesting thing going about: She did not announce her pregnancy until she was 7 months gone. All pics to that date show no sign of being with child. Some are speculating that the real mpother may be her 17 old daughter.

    Sorry, I;m dropping to Karls level.

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    SebastianFlyte

    They are all just a bunch of muppets. Presidents are fools who play the game or get whacked.

    CIA is todays Mafia.

    So many Americans actually believe in god, so it is no surprise they are easily conned by these goons.

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    SushiSake3

    SimondB - "- if someone had mentioned her name to you last week would you have known who they were talking about?"

    heh, I don't think McCain would have known who they were talking about either, considering he only met Palin once....

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    sailwind

    Can I ask your opinion about the potential scenario of Ms. Palin finding herself as President should something happen to sen. McCain?

    What do you see happening there? Good? Bad?

    Sushi,

    Can't give a honest opinion. Gut feeling she would do just fine only because if and this is all conjecture, because this election sure isn't going to be cakewalk for Obama of McCain to get the keys for the that nice rental house in D.C yet.

    Only because if she was found in that position the American people as they always have in moments of national crisis always put partisanship aside and rally behind their elected leaders. Only after the crises has passed and the situation is more clear as to what events in the future hold do they fall back into the partisan mode.

    Short term the nation would be okay and Americans would rally behind her, just as they would rally behind Senator Biden if the situation were reversed if something should happen to Obama...long term how she would do I can't really hazard a guess.

    I sure don't know about you but for me I'm pretty excited about this election. For once in a very long time I have two candidates that for at least for me represent the best the Dem's and Republican's have to offer, instead of the nose holding I had to do between the offerings in the past two election cycles.

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    JoeBigs

    Sorry, I guess I read your "praise" for the folks that live in Alaska wrong. Hick's normally buy their bread at the supermarket. Governor Palin was busy when not baking some or building the pipeline with her own bare hands playing with al those seals you mentioned.

    Hicks? Now were did I say hicks? LOL

    Each State has two Senators which means that Joe Biden represents just half of the State of Delaware's population. which means he represents less people than Governor Palin. You might want to rethink that argument a bit.

    Let me help ya a bit with that last statement with the Constitution

    Section 1. All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a * *Senate and House of Representatives.

    Meaning Biden has more experience than Sarah Palin. He is one of 100 Senators that does takes care of his state and the United States. Biden has been;

    Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations Chairman of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary

    These are just the ones he has been chairmen and not a member. Biden has more experience than Palin and there is no way around that.

    I do not need to rethink my arguement, instead Mccain should have really thought this pick through. He has made a mistake by picking her and not another Republican with more experience (Male or female).

    None....Most folks consider that an asset nowadays, Washington insiders aren't exactly held in high esteem anymore. Why do think Obama got the nomination over the consummate Washington insider Hillary?

    No they are not, but neither are complete strangers to politics. She has less than 70 days to learn to swim. Good Old Mc will try everything in his power to keep her floating but with the baggage she brings she is very heavy.

    And with that I bring this to the table;

    Another question about this great pick, did Old Mc do his home work? No one has mentioned this but the great Sarah Palin is under investigation in her state for abuse of power.

    Interesting judgement there Mc baby.... Now I know he has lost his mind!LOL

    Yes folks we have another troopergate! LOL This can not get any better!LOL

    Goooooooooo Mc!LOL

    And so we continue.......

    Troopergate part two, bad thing for her there are voices on those tapes!LOL

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    sailwind

    Let me help ya a bit with that last statement with the Constitution

    Section 1. All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a * *Senate and House of Representatives.

    Meaning Biden has more experience than Sarah Palin. He is one of 100 Senators that does takes care of his state and the United States. Biden has been;

    Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations Chairman of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary

    These are just the ones he has been chairmen and not a member. Biden has more experience than Palin and there is no way around that.

    Some weird reason I get my quote thing to work to highlight your response, oh..well bare with me.

    First you are correct Joe Biden has more LEGISLATIVE experience than Governor Palin.

    The constitution also vests EXECUTIVE powers in Article II

    The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

    ALaska's State Constitution is also modeled on the very same concepts.

    Article 2 - The Legislature

    § 1. Legislative Power; Membership

    The legislative power of the State is vested in a legislature consisting of a senate with a membership of twenty and a house of representatives with a membership of forty.

    And and Executive power is in article three

    Article 3 - The Executive

    § 1. Executive Power

    The executive power of the State is vested in the governor.

    I'm glad you have clarified that Senator Biden has more LEGISLATIVE experience than Governor Palin.

    Could you balance that out with how much EXECUTIVE experience he has?

    Just thought I'd ask.

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    Sarge

    Sarah Palin is a person of outstanding character. If McCain's elected and something happens to him while he's in office and Palin takes over, I would feel more comfortable with her as president than either Obama or Biden.

    I can't wait for the Palin-Biden debate!

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    JoeBigs

    ALaska's State Constitution is also modeled on the very same concepts.

    Every State is!LOL

    The executive power of the State is vested in the governor.

    LOL That is too rich, to compare the Presidency of the United States of America with that of the Governor of Alaska!LOL The mighty State of Alaska....LOL

    That is way tooooo good!LOL You are a die hard I must admit!LOL

    Other than that what do you think of the new Troopergate?LOL

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    Taka313

    SimonB, I have to admit to being one of the people who had no idea who she was until she was asked to be McCain's running mate. Knowing next to nothing about Alaskan politics, I googled her name in connection to the one thing I do know about Alaskan politics, the bridge to nowhere.
    For the record, she was for it, before she was against it.

    To me she seems to be conservative but not a neo-con. I find her voice to be a bit grating but overall, McCain could have done a hell of a lot worse, in my opinion.

    Taka

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    McC72

    ''heh, I don't think McCain would have known who they were talking about either, considering he only met Palin once....'' Yes, McSame wouldn't have known more especially when you consider his memory retension recently. The one about houses etc. Repubs, don't accuse me of his age. Im only referring to his memory and nothing more

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    Sarge

    "I find her voice to be a bit grating"

    Heh, Sarah's got nothing on Hillary when it comes to grating voices. I'm sure Taka313's gonna dig up all the dirt he can on this person of outstanding character.

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    Madverts

    Joe Bigs, the fact that Palin's office is under investigation struck me as a bizzare choice, also. Then again, it would seem that Republicans surrounded in scandal is the morm...

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    smithinjapan

    sarge: "Sarah Palin is a person of outstanding character."

    He chose her not because of said character, but to garner some very much needed points. He's already taking huge heat over the choice and the race for president has hardly begun. McCain is going to collapse in rage during debates. He can NEVER any longer play the 'inexperience' card when talking about Obama. It's funny watching him backstep even now.

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    sailwind

    LOL That is too rich, to compare the Presidency of the United States of America with that of the Governor of Alaska!LOL The mighty State of Alaska....LOL

    Actually not much difference as far as the actual mechanics of the job goes. Both preside over a elected legislature, both make judicial appointments. Both veto bills and also sign bills into law. Both manage the budget. Of course the President does that on a national level instead of the State level, but the executive decision making process and being able to deliver effective Government to the people that elected them are still the same.

    Senator Biden doesn't have any executive experience running all branches of Government even that of some rinky dink third rate State like Alaska. Though it seems and no offense but by reading your posts that running Alaska is a pretty easy task anyway that any simpleton could manage.

    What is with you and slamming the people of Alaska? Bill Clinton was Governor of Arkansas another third rate rinky dink state and was he any less qualified to be President? Arkansas isn't exactly known as the culture capitol of the United States but it sure gave him the EXECUTIVE decision making background to be an effective President.

    And for so called Troopergate there isn't anything to it but wishful thinking and she welcomes an investigation. She stated that way before she was picked.

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    Madverts

    "I'm sure Taka313's gonna dig up all the dirt he can on this person of outstanding character."

    Like you McCainiacs have on Senator Obama? Heh, sargie old lad, she's already got dirt:

    http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165

    If Senator McCain wasn't as old, her in-experience wouldn't be such a factor, becuase other than the relgious and gun stuff, she doesn't seem that bad.

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    Sarge

    smithinjapan - "McCain could have picked a toilet bowl ( arguably more useful than Palin )..."

    That's low, even for you, smithinjapan.

    "... and you'd say it has outstanding character."

    I would not.

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    sailwind

    My apologies to the good people of Alaska or Arkansas if any of my last post offends......Intent is to show how silly it say just because your a Governor of a small state and you ran it well that your not qualified to run for higher office somehow.

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    Madverts

    sarge,

    Unless there are October surprise photo's of either Obama, or Biden, or both, in shiny gimp suits sporting ball-gags, there isn't much point in arguing about the the pro's and con's of this lady - she'll be staying in Alaska......heh, unless of course the investigation turns out badly...

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    smithinjapan

    sarge: Ah, it wasn't that low, but I apologize for any ill-will. And anyway, McCain doesn't seem to be digging much deeper than for a toilet bowl with his pick.

    He has guaranteed Obama the presidency.

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    Taka313

    sarge, I didn't point out that Sen. Clinton has a grating voice because it would be like pointing out the sky is blue. It's pretty well known. Considering most people had never heard Gov. Palin speak in public before, the grating nature of her voice was a bit of a surprise. I'm sorry if that the obviousness of that went over your head. I should have known better.

    Anyway, moving on...I still don't really understand why Cindy McCain and the gop talking heads still think that being the Governor of the state next to Russia bears any significance.

    I've done some reading today and found zip. I've asked here and no one has bothered to reply other than to state that she knows her salad dressing.

    Can anyone please tell me how being close to Russia has bolstered her experience?

    Taka

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    Taka313

    Madverts,

    Honestly, I don't think "Trooper-gate" or her initial support of the bridge to nowhere will be a big factor in this election. A DWI, multiple failed businesses and a shameful (yet incomplete) military career still got bush elected...twice.

    I'm pretty sure that the bar for ineptitude and criminal behavior has been set far lower than anything anyone could dig up on Gov. Palin.

    Taka

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    mar4eO

    "... just the clips of Palin shooting an automatic rifle must have shook the foundations with glee for certain in holed up in the basements for duration of the run-up to the elections..."

    Amusing perspective there, a little difficult to follow.

    Yes, Alaska's Gov. Palin is pro-2nd Amendment. She's reported to be a crack shot. She hunts and she even fishes. She's a pilot. She was a top athlete and a beauty pageant contestant and she is mother of five.

    She took on the old boys in Alaska. From what I understand as a state it could be called the Republican equivalent of the infamous Chicago Machine, which is where Barack Obama first made his name. In fact, the contrast in her rise to the national level and his rise would be very illuminating for some here.

    Personally? She reminds me of the kind of women that helped settle the West; the type that we used to be taught helped make America great.

    Perhaps that's the very reason Obama's base loathes her like they do.

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    DXXJP

    #

    Sarge at 02:38 PM JST - 1st September

    Heck, McCain doesn't have to defend Palin - that feisty woman can defend herself!

    McCain said, "She stands up for what's right, and she doesn't let anyone tell her to sit down. She's exactly who I need."

    HE"S NOT PICKING A NEW WIFE..

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    Taka313

    Perhaps that's the very reason Obama's base loathes her like they do.

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that statement is more of a projection of what you desperately wish was true than an actual true statement. And...considering the source, I'm not surprised.

    Taka

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    Sarge

    smithinjapan - "He has guaranteed Obama the presidency"

    Either that, or he's picked a running mate who will get the bulk of the female vote. Obama had the chance to get the female vote with Hillary and he BLEW IT!

    DXXJP - "HE'S NOT PICKING A NEW WIFE"

    Wow, I'm impressed with your knowledge, DXXJP!

    mar4eO - "She reminds me of the kind of women who helped settle the West; the type that we used to be taught helped make America great. Perhaps that's the very reason Obama's base loathes her like they do."

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that statement is right on the money. "

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    goodDonkey

    Sarge

    on this person [Palin] of outstanding character.

    Have you even heard of her before Thursday? Of course you can answer that dishonestly but you won't catch me selling out my integrity to outwit someone on a comment board. If you have not heard of her before Thursday it is quite disingenuous of you to defend her character when you in fact know close to nothing about her. Disingenuous of course is the nicest way to put it.

    Biden has vastly more credible experience than Palin. Any mention that 2 years executive experience can hold a candle to Biden's impressive resume is ludicrous.

    Palin governs a state in which it is unnecessary to levy a sales tax or individual income tax. This is no feat of governing it is simply a fact of petroleum revenues that are disproportionate to any other state in relationship to its population. You can strike that portion of her resume when it comes to executive decisions on formulating a budget. Anyone who dismisses individual taxation as an unimportant portion of an executive (government) budget is also being insincere.

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    yabits

    For McCain to have to go and "defend" his VP pick just adds creedence to the statement by TIME magazine that he has failed in his first major decision by choosing someone who is not unambiguously qualified to be president.

    People can try to harp on Obama's supposed lack of experience, but they forget that he has been chosen by millions of voters across the country to lead the Democratic Party ticket. He was chosen over state executives (like Bill Richardson), senators and congressmen. Obama's first major decision in choosing Joe Biden showed his good judgment. McCain's showed just the opposite -- the Palin decision is nothing more or less than a political stunt.

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    Sarge

    "Can anyone please tell me how being ( physically ) close to Russia has bolstered her experience?"

    I'll give you that one. It hasn't, per say. But she has other, more meaningful experience. You don't like her because she's your boy's political enemy. The rest of America LOVES her!

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    Sarge

    goodDonkey - "Have ( had ) you even heard of her before Thursday?"

    Yes, I had. Several months ago when McCain became the defacto Republican nominee, her name came up and I checked her out.

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    tclh

    All I can understand about the choice of Palin is that McCain really needs some awsome firepower. He provides trustworthiness,experiences; she will provides youth,vitality,fire...I think this may be excellent choice, time will tell. I ,too ,worry but I will wish for McCain good health and longevity. I do not like the possibility that if Obama win ,America will look after only itself, leave ME for AQ and Asia Pacific for China/Russia.

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    goodDonkey

    Oh Taka313 that second video was hilarious!

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    smithinjapan

    sarge: "Either that, or he's picked a running mate who will get the bulk of the female vote. Obama had the chance to get the female vote with Hillary and he BLEW IT!"

    You seem to think that simply being a woman will garner women's votes; in other words, you are stuck in some kind of sexist middle ages, because you don't at all take into account the quality of women. You see, unlike people who know better, you seem to believe like most morons with no ability to see beyond their noses, that people who supported Hilary are Democrat, and while SOME did so only because she is a woman, the majority did because of her Liberal values as a change from the negative values and lawlessness of your dear leader (who now gets less headlines than the Japanese men's Olympic baseball team!). They're not going to say, "Hark! A woman! Must vote!".

    Get with the program, sarge.

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    smithinjapan

    Those who would have voted for Hilary won't vote for McCain simply because she is a woman... err... his VP is a woman. Shame you can't see the obvious fact that McCain chose her simply for that reason... but I'm sure the electorate will.

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    Madverts

    mar4eO

    "Amusing perspective there, a little difficult to follow."

    It's not when you have read the meth-fuelled rantings of certain on the extreme right here in regards to their blind partisanship repub politics...

    I don't think a mom is setting the best example firing and seemingly loving an automatic weapon, but then again, I'm not a sad and lonely bloke "clinging to guns and religion"!

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    Madverts

    Taka,

    It's amazing how a new handle(s) and a dash of Denial can totally erase 8 years of blind bush support when his appoval ratings swerve round the U-bends of the toilet, when the proposed republican regime is little more than 4 more years of the same, no matter how young and fresh the lipstick looks on the veep....

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    mar4eO

    McCain defends VP pick, to a record crowd of 20,000 in Missouri today.

    "...As one veteran of Missouri politics said, that's the sort of crowd usually seen in October for a president — not in August for a candidate..."

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0808/ThePalineffectcrowdsize.html?showall

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    RomeoRamenII

    House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn(D) compared the pick of Mrs. Palin to mondale's pick of geraldine ferraro in 1984:

    "Now Mondale tried to shake things up by going with Geraldine Ferraro, she proved to be a disaster as a running mate. And as a campaigner, she was absolutely awful."

    Great to see the democrat party showing its true colors. Heh, regardless of party, that comment will go over well with women voters.

    RR

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    Sarge

    RR - Actually, Clyburn is correct on that one. Ferraro WAS a disaster as a running mate and absolutely awful as a campaigner. I remember her breaking down and crying at one news conference, though I forget exactly what it was she was crying over... But that was not because she is a woman, it was because she's Ferraro! Sarah Barracuda is an excellent choice and she and McCain are going to be victorious on Nov.4!

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    yabits

    As one veteran of Missouri politics said, that's the sort of crowd usually seen in October for a president — not in August for a candidate

    Yeah, it's about 20,000 short of the numbers Obama typically draws. The Republicans probably had their boiler rooms running 24/7 to pump out those people.

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    RomeoRamenII

    Sarge - the mondale/ferraro ticket was a joke. They were running against Mr. Reagan when the wind was to his back.

    I agree with you, though, about Mrs. Palin. biden may be a democrat pitbull, but Mrs. Palin is a bear hunter.

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    Everton2

    This woman Palin is no Hillery Clinton. To say that she will capture the women's vote in the same way that Hillery would undermines women in general

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    Sarge

    RR - Mrs. Palin is not only a bear hunter, she's a fisherman and a basketball player! Oooooooooh, Barracuda!

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    RomeoRamenII

    Set Mrs. Palin's unconventional appeal aside for a minute.

    Mr. McCain chose her and completely erased obama from the headlines the day after his "historic" democrat convention speech.

    obama with all the Hollywood flair of a "Text message breakout" couldn't keep his choice secret. The news was out before all those who'd given him their cell numbers realized they'd been had. And it was his own adoring press who betrayed him.

    We now know McCain has the skill to keep a secret. Palin came out of nowhere like a roundhouse and knocked obama right off newspapers' front page.

    RR

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    yabits

    We now know McCain has the skill to keep a secret. Palin came out of nowhere like a roundhouse and knocked obama right off newspapers' front page.

    Yes, Sarah's entrance did grab the attention -- like a clown positioned over a dunk tank.

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    RomeoRamenII

    To say that she will capture the women's vote in the same way that Hillery would undermines women in general

    You'd best better go see what hillary's supporters are saying then cry yourself to sleep:

    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=14

    RR

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    sailwind

    This woman Palin is no Hillery Clinton.

    Agreed....She's the type you'd actually want to take home to meet the parents.

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    SezWho2

    What difference does it matter if Obama is on the front page on August 31? It's much more important who is on the front page on November 5.

    Palin seems like an OK choice, but an exceedingly weak one. McCain obviously chose demographics over relevance.

    I think that he's gambling that the angry Hillary voters are angry because a woman lost the Democratic primary. I think he may find that they were angry because Hillary lost and that the transparent choice of Palin enables Hillary to bring the strayed sheep back into the fold.

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    RomeoRamenII

    Sarah's entrance did grab the attention -- like a clown positioned over a dunk tank

    Yes, yes. We all know now what liberals think about women in politics. Liberals are in sheer panic that females have the audacity to think they can have a say in how America is run.

    Liberals surely cannot allow such a thing to happen. So by all means continue demeaning and mocking them whenever you can.

    RR

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    mar4eO

    This woman Palin is no Hillery Clinton.

    I can think of no higher praise for a woman in politics, liberal or conservative.

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    RomeoRamenII

    This woman Palin is no Hillery (sp) Clinton.

    True. She's on a presidential ticket and hillary is not.

    RR

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    Sarge

    yabits - "like a clown positioned over a dunk tank"

    That's some wild imagination ya got there, yabits.

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    mar4eO

    This woman Palin is no Hillery (sp) Clinton.

    If I had to make a comparison at this point in time I'd say she is a female Teddy Roosevelt, the American president I do believe McCain has said he admires most.

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    smithinjapan

    RR: "Mr. McCain chose her and completely erased obama from the headlines the day after his "historic" democrat convention speech."

    And as much as she may erase anything else, you prove time and time again she cannot erase anything you cannot forget. You are your own worst enemy. Saying, "Everyone will forget...." only shows how much you wish it were the case... in fact, it only shows how much you wish it to be the case some.... what now... with yesterday's thread... 30 times? PANIC!

    As for the toilet bowl comment, you best read the actual whole comment before you reply, lest you have to cry about the mods keeping my very pertinant message where it is.

    I've got some tissue for you, when you're ready. May not have enough when Obama wins, but we all know you'll have another name by then anyway.

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    RomeoRamenII

    The loyal band of JT liberals troop onto these threads about Mrs. Palin and what is the first accusatory thing they lash out at?

    First, she shouldn't sacrifice time with her children to enter this race and should not be repected for that. Which means what? Her motherhood can be justifiably attacked liberals? Sarah Palin has five children, the youngest of which has Down syndrome. Which is one of the dangers of women in their 40's deciding to give birth to a child. Sarah Palin could have aborted that child. The medical tests for Down syndrome have been around for at least 30 years. And all women at risk are given the option of testing for it once the fetus can be examined and the DNA tested. Not only did Sarah Palin not abort that baby, but also he was there on stage with her.

    Sarah Palin is not only a proven and dedicated mother, she is everything that women of the past 35 years have been told that they should be and can be: Competitive, challenging, argumentative and ready to prove that they can take the reins of power and lead and succeed in both the boardroom and in the political arena.

    Yet, when she is chosen as the VP candidate for the GOP ticket the liberals at this site refer to her as a "toilet bowl" and a "clown". The very one's who supposedly champion those ideals for women and scream the loudest about women's equality and about providing the opportunity to prove their capabilities are the first ones to attack Sarah Palin as being a questionable mother and going so far as to post that she lacks any human qualities to be considered for the U.S. Vice Presidency.

    RR

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    smithinjapan

    "Sarah Palin is not only a proven and dedicated mother, she is everything that women of the past 35 years have been told that they should be and can be: Competitive, challenging, argumentative and ready to prove that they can take the reins of power and lead and succeed in both the boardroom and in the political arena."

    So long as she remains under the thumb of a man, eh RR? What on earth are you going to do when McCain has a heart attack? It'll change from women's rights to women not being fit to rule, according to your previous comments. But then, hypocrisy was never your strong suit.

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    smithinjapan

    RR: "ompetitive, challenging, argumentative and ready to prove that they can take the reins of power and lead and succeed in both the boardroom and in the political arena."

    Always knew you were a closet hilary fan.

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    smithinjapan

    Madverts: hilarious as usual. My predicted numbers of righties that want to see the truth... 0%. THey will therefore claim your post did not exist.

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    DanManjt

    Yes the mighty State of Alaska

    Very funny. I look forward to more. Thanks!

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    DanManjt

    JoeBigs

    10 reasons also very funny.

    Keep up the satire. It will destroy them.

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    RomeoRamenII

    More bad news for Team obama:

    UTICA, New York - Republican John McCain's surprise announcement Friday of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate - some 16 hours after Democrat Barack Obama's historic speech accepting his party’s presidential nomination - has possibly stunted any Obama convention bump, the latest Zogby Interactive flash poll of the race shows.

    The latest nationwide survey, begun Friday afternoon after the McCain announcement of Palin as running mate and completed mid-afternoon today, shows McCain/Palin at 47%, compared to 45% support for Obama/Biden.

    The interactive survey shows that 22% of those voters who supported Democrat Hillary Clinton in their primary elections or caucus earlier this year are now supporting John McCain.

    Among those who said they shop regularly at Wal-Mart - a demographic group that Zogby has found to be both "value" and "values" voters - Obama is getting walloped by McCain. Winning 62% support from weekly Wal-Mart shoppers, McCain wins these voters at a rate similar to what President Bush won in 2004. Obama wins 24% support from these voters.

    democrat Lemming Day fast approaches.

    RR

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    DanManjt

    • I never said I'd prefer Mickey Mouse to him.*\

    Racist.

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    DanManjt

    I would feel more comfortable with her as president than either Obama or Biden.

    Republicans. The security types.

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    DanManjt

    It seems pretty clear that McCain chose to throw the slavering Christian Right a bone, so they'd start working to put him in the White House. Which now they are.

    But choosing Palin? When just about any other choice he had to appease the Right is more qualified? What a blunder.

    Thank you Sen. McCain!

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    yabits

    Yet, when she is chosen as the VP candidate for the GOP ticket the liberals at this site refer to her as a "toilet bowl" and a "clown".

    I never referred to Sarah Palin directly as a clown. I referred to the attention-getting stunt of placing her on the ticket -- which is all this is -- as akin to the device of placing a clown over a dunk tank.

    More of a genuine clown is someone like Karl Rove, who just a few short weeks ago, was out there spouting off that Governor Tim Kaine's light resume of being the former mayor of Richmond (VA) and short term as governor of Virgina was grossly inqualified to be on the ticket with Obama.

    We do understand how die-hard Republicans would like to make a criticism of McCain's foolish judgment into an indictment against all women, but only the most gullible of voters would buy into that. (And we also understand that most of those are voting Republican anyway.)

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    yabits

    Gov. Palin came out of nowhere like a roundhouse and knocked obama right off newspapers' front page.

    Way to knock your mommy off the front page, Ms. Palin.

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    Betzee

    Why did Governor Palin throw her hat in the public ring knowing her minor daughter's pregnancy would become national news? Not only does she have a disabled son who needs her care, I question how much "support" she can show Bristol if she's in Washington while her "beautiful" teenage daughter moves into the role of wife and mother in Alaska. I think Governor Palin has exhibited truly appalling family values.

    Rather than personal responsibility as a core belief, it is more likely that conservatives want to spin any wrong into some kind of noble action.

    Couldn't agree more.

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    yabits

    Why did Governor Palin throw her hat in the public ring knowing her minor daughter's pregnancy would become national news? ... I think Governor Palin has exhibited truly appalling family values.

    Imagine making a conscious decision to put your daughter and her intended through the kind of wringer that they are now going to have to go through. This is certainly not "Country First." This is "My Career First, and the Family Stays Behind."

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    Helter_Skelter

    Why did Governor Palin throw her hat in the public ring knowing her minor daughter's pregnancy would become national news?

    She knows that only the pettiest of people would concern themselves with this personal issue when there are much more important issues like energy, national security, immigration, etc. Anyone who has had children knows it's never going to be perfect. Her daughter is going to have the child and marry the father. Nothing more to see here.

    This is "My Career First, and the Family Stays Behind."

    Haha. Now all the pro-feminist leftists who ridicule family values are concerned about her being a career woman. You'd think the left would at least be a little subtle in their hypocrisy.

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    Sarge

    Taka313: "And Gov. Palin has served 20 months, not 2 years."

    Yeah, but she's been using those 20 months to do a lot of good for the people of Alaska and the country, while Obama's spent the past 18 of his 43 months as a senator running for president.

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    Betzee

    She knows that only the pettiest of people would concern themselves with this personal issue when there are much more important issues like energy, national security, immigration, etc.

    Ah, but McCain didn't pick someone who knew a whole lot about these issues, now did he? Rather his running mate is best known for her "social conservative" credentials. That makes it perfectly fair game to assess her own life against what is held up by such folks as a superior lifestyle for the rest of America.

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    yabits

    Haha. Now all the pro-feminist leftists who ridicule family values are concerned about her being a career woman. You'd think the left would at least be a little subtle in their hypocrisy.

    Regarding Sarah Palin's decisions regarding her family and her career, I was thinking more along the lines of what a Dr. Laura Schlessinger would have to say. As a liberal, I am not immune to hearing the preaching of the right wing types on this. People who don't practice what they preach, or excuse their own from what they demand from others are the real hypocrites.

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    yabits

    Yeah, but she's been using those 20 months to do a lot of good for the people of Alaska and the country..

    Can you provide a single example of a tough decision she had to make as governor?

    (I didn't think so.)

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    Betzee

    Yabits,

    Teenage motherhood has been identified as a primary cause of lifelong female poverty which usually includes reliance on government assistance. Most girls who find themselves in these circumstances are not the offspring of Governors who can count on a supporter to offer some form of employment (no qualifications required). This issue needs to be addressed and it's a total cop-out to write it off with a "[a]nyone who has had children knows it's never going to be perfect...Nothing more to see here."

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    Sarge

    yabits - Sure. In June, 2007, she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history. There are many more. Look it up.

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    Betzee

    Sorry Yabits, my 7:10 post was intended for HelterSkelter.

    As for Governor Palin, she (or more likely the McCain campaign staff who would desperately like to refocus attention on other issues and away from young Bristol's expanding midriff), is perhaps searching for some sort of noble excuse to drop her from the VP spot and blame it on, wonders never cease, the ongoing persecution of women. They could audition a few posters here to write the press release, don't you think?

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    Helter_Skelter

    Rather his running mate is best known for her "social conservative" credentials. That makes it perfectly fair game to assess her own life

    But this isn't about Sarah Palin. It's about her daughter. Certainly you don't believe a parent is responsible for every action of their child, no matter how great a parent. What's important here is Palin's handling of the situation which is to support her daughter. Try as you and the other leftists might, this really is a non-issue and there are far more important things to be concerned about.

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    ColAmerica

    Betzee; It really hurts you doesn`t it, to see such a sucessfull woman as the Repubkicans VP.

    Your dream ticket of Obama and Clinton failed, but McCain, Palin has made America admire McCain for his great choice of an experienced and honorable woman.

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    Helter_Skelter

    ...is perhaps searching for some sort of noble excuse to drop her from the VP spot and blame it on, wonders never cease, the ongoing persecution of women.

    That didn't take long. The left just loves conspiracy theories. :-D

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    UnagiDon

    there are far more important things to be concerned about.

    ...like her lack of experience in the big ring and the investigation to pressuring to have a state trooper fired.

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    yabits

    In June, 2007, she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history. There are many more.

    LOL!! And how was cutting a bloated budget a tough decision?

    Many more? I guess if every decision that Palin made as governor would be classified as "tough" by you, it likely means that decisions are hard for her to make.

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    Helter_Skelter

    ...like her lack of experience

    Obviously you must not be an Obama supporter if your concern is lack of experience.

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    yabits

    Regarding Gov. Palin and tough decisions: A tough decision is one taken on an issue for which there is a great deal of controversy that precedes it. Or some other indication that the decision is going to have serious consequences.

    Can anyone supply a decent example of a tough decision that Palin made while acting as governor? (Sarge certainly could not.)

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    Betzee

    Betzee; It really hurts you doesn`t it, to see such a sucessfull woman as the Repubkicans VP.

    What I see is her teenage daughter, knocked up at age 16 by a boyfriend who allegedly intends to marry her (like what are they waiting for?), sitting alone in a bus humiliated beyond belief by her own mother who doesn't have the sense to realize her family responsibilities preclude her for taking the nation's second highest job:

    Bristol appeared in Dayton, Ohio, on Friday holding her 4 1/2 -month-old brother, Trig, when McCain announced that he had chosen Palin as his running mate.

    The next day, Bristol did not appear at a rally in Washington, Pa. Palin told the crowd that it was Trig's nap time and that he was on the bus with his sister. Bristol also did not join her family in O'Fallon, Mo., on Sunday.

    .

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    Helter_Skelter

    ...and the investigation to pressuring to have a state trooper fired.

    Oooo. Right up there with Iran-Contra and Watergate.

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    Sarge

    Betzee - "humiliated beyond belief by her own mother..."

    Please don't make stuff up and post it.

    "... who doesn't have the sense to realize her family responsibilities preclude her for taking the nation's second highest job"

    They do not. Heck, Betzee, you could say that about virtually any candidate.

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    Helter_Skelter

    Betzee

    What I see is her teenage daughter, knocked up at age 16 by a boyfriend who allegedly intends to marry her (like what are they waiting for?), sitting alone in a bus humiliated beyond belief by her own mother who doesn't have the sense to realize her family responsibilities preclude her for taking the nation's second highest job

    Wow. You should be using your talents writing for the National Inquirer, not JT.

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    yabits

    Betzee - "humiliated beyond belief by her own mother..." Sarge: Please don't make stuff up and post it.

    Let's see. A minor girl has her unwed pregnancy announced to a national audience by her own mother. Most normal people would be mortified at the thought.

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    Betzee

    Betzee - "humiliated beyond belief by her own mother..." Please don't make stuff up and post it.

    I looked at the photo which accompanied this story (linked below) and see the woman in front, Sarah Palin, hurrying along in an excited fashion eager to embrace the spotlight. Following behind is her pregnant daughter, clutching her infant brother, who by contrast looks like she has just attended the funeral of a very close friend who died unexpectedly.

    Karen Rhoades, a substitute teacher in Palin's hometown of Wasilla, Alaska, is a good friend of the soon-to-be vice presidential nominee and said that Bristol's pregnancy was well known in town. "People here knew about it, and it wasn't any big secret. It's not something we talk about because it's rude to gossip."

    Well, now everyone is talking about it across the nifty fifty. It's the parent's job to protect the child, not expose her private behavior to a media circus.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palin2-2008sep02,0,1157813.story.

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    yabits

    To previous: Not only is the pregnancy announced, but your own people say that it is being announced to counter rumors that the mother of the newborn son is actually the daughter. (Meaning that the rumors were taken seriously.)

    Behind all of this pro-family Republican rhetoric is some very nasty stuff.

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    Helter_Skelter

    ...rumors that the mother of the newborn son is actually the daughter.

    You do realize it was the leftist media that was perpetuating this rumor in order to discredit Palin. Talk about nasty stuff!

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    Betzee

    Yabits,

    I didn't read of this until after the announcement of Bristol's pregancy, namely that many people initially believed Trig was in fact her baby because the few photos we have seen of her she's clutching him in protective fashion. Now it's obvious he's a security blanket as she faces the country's questions and disapproval ("you behaved irresponsibly!" "why didn't your boyfriend use a condom???"). She personifies all the issues surrounding teen sex and parenthood in America. Why would any loving parent put their child in this situation?

    Moderator: Please discuss this on the correct thread.

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    DXXJP

    >

    Betzee - "humiliated beyond belief by her own mother..." Sarge: Please don't make stuff up and post it.
    

    Let's see. A minor girl has her unwed pregnancy announced to a national audience by her own mother. Most normal people would be mortified at the thought.

    ** So much for good christian values**

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    UnagiDon

    yabits;

    Can anyone supply a decent example of a tough decision that Palin made while acting as governor?

    Well, McCain's spokesthing couldn't answer this question on CNN earlier when asked repeatedly, but I'm sure that won't dissuade some here.

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    goodDonkey

    Helter_Skelter said

    You do realize it was the leftist media that was perpetuating this rumor in order to discredit Palin. Talk about nasty stuff!

    Example please. Please provide source and quote.

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    goodDonkey

    The Gallup Poll's daily tracking service never sleeps: The Labor Day poll shows Barack Obama leads John McCain 49-43 percent. The bottom line: No big bump (yet) for McCain's pick of Sarah Palin as his vice presidential nominee.

    http://voices.kansascity.com/node/1967

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    goodDonkey

    Another poll

    Rasmussen

    http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/articledisplay.jsp?vnucontent_id=1003844485

    By a narrow 41% to 35% margin, men said she was not ready to be president -- but women soundly rejected her, 48% to 25%.

    CBS poll

    (CBS) Democratic nominee Barack Obama's lead over Republican John McCain has grown after the Democratic convention, which 71 percent of Americans say they watched. Obama and his running mate Joe Biden now lead McCain and Sarah Palin 48 percent to 40 percent, according to the latest CBS News poll.

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    zurcronium

    incredible. the repubs are just incompent to the core. I thought it was just bush but now mccain picks someone he met for 15 minutes who has a kid who is pregnant at 17. Did they think this would just go unnoticed?

    And betzee is right, who would drag their daughter though the national media spotlight when she is pregant and in high school. Family values be damned when it comes to the VP job.

    Last, and obvious but will say anyway, Palin does not believe in sex education in schools but preaches abstinence. Maybe if he daughter had been reminded to use a condom she would not be pregnant now, buts it god's will for teenagers to get knocked up in the US according to the fundis.

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    SpecialReportUS

    zucronium; If the Repuclicans were so incompentent, would they have remained in power for 8 years? Palin is not dragging her daughter through the media , that is the filthy muckracking gutter press, who love anything that hints at a scandal.

    Palin does as she preaches, and she has served so far in an honorable manner.

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    zurcronium

    Special,

    wake up. You are running for VP, its the medias job to vet the candidate. No repubs complained when the press went after obama's preacher.

    winning elections and running the government are two very different tasks. Rove knows how to play dirty and will elections by lying and cheating. Lying and cheating is not how the government should be run but tha is how bush has done it and failed miserably.

    Palin is an opportunist who will drag here pregnant daughter in the mud to get a chance for higher office. Nice.

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    ColAmerica

    zurcronium; You are painting this women as some kind of alien!!

    She is a greta woman, who has through hard work, been recognised as being capable of being VP.

    The only people dragging her daughter through the mud are guys like you.

    Wash your maouth out with soap and water.

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    ambrosia

    SpecialReportsUS: Get a clue. Americans bought over 12 million Britney Spears albums so it's not as if you can really trust their choices after all.

    As for the press loving scandals, that's another laugh and straight out of the Republican playbook. When the media went after the young Chelsea Clinton (ridiculed for being unattractive), Hillary (not "feminine" enough to be a first lady) Michelle Obama (an America hater) to name a few that was all in the name of fair disclosure and the idea of personal choices reflecting on the spouse or sibling. But when it comes back on a Republican family member in a less than flattering light it's suddenly muckraking. That's rich! Unless you can honestly say you oppose it when it's done to anyone not running, Democrat, Republican, Independent, etc. you have no room to complain now. And if you think this is a Democratic tactic I have a few choice words for you: Karl Rove, Willy Horton, the October Surprise, the Canuck Letter and Lee Atwater. I'm not saying the Democrats are saints at all but I just find it amusing how everyone (ie. Republicans) are now so "outraged" that one of their own is being dragged through the ringer. And damn straight she should be! She could end up as our president. Don't you want to know as much about her as possible or is the truth too scary to be revealed??????

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    zurcronium

    bush, or sorry mccain, they are so much alike was nuts to pick a woman with five kids, with one them expecting a kid, as the VP choice. Nuts. I know there are next to none decent repubs out there any longer but at least he could have picked someone who is not from the most corrupt state in the country. And someone who has a passport.

    Anyway, this says a lot about mccain. He is hard right and willing to pick anyone to try and appease the fundi vote in the US. Even to go so far as to pick the most unquailified person he could find. Last week experience mattered to mccain, now it does not.

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    jeancolmar

    I have a funny feeling that McCain's Hilary Clinton substitute is going to dropout. It has only been a few days and already Palin is knee-deep in poo. It's going to get worse when she starts addressing issues.

    You don't hear anything about Biden. The guy's a refrigerator, the perfect pick for VP.

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    zurcronium

    wow . . .

    She is heavily experienced in what she has done,” said Cindy McCain on ABC News This Week.

    “The experience that she comes from is with what she’s done in the government,” she said of the former mayor and Alaska governor.

    “And, also, remember, Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia. So it’s not as if she doesn’t understand what’s at stake here.”

    I didnt think anyone could make bush look eloquent. I hope for Cindy's sake these quotes are not accurate. Otherwise, Dizzland!! I think being born into a rich family makes people stupid. bush and cindy are good examples.

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    WhiteHawk

    jeancolmar:

    I have a funny feeling that McCain's Hilary Clinton substitute is going to dropout. It has only been a few days and already Palin is knee-deep in poo.

    "Knee-deep"? Really? In what, specifically?

    You don't hear anything about Biden.

    Actually, you don't hear anything about Biden's son, Hunter. After all of the Left's harping about McCain's lobbyists, Obama picks a VP nom whose son is a lobbyist. Oops.

    As for Palin, she's done something with her time in office. She's made good on campaign promises by going after corruption in her state, started balancing the state's budget, and has even returned some of the taxes to Alaskan citizens. Obama, by contrast, has squandered his time in office, voting "present" (if at all), proposing yet more spending and no cuts, and running for another office (after saying he wouldn't). If I were hiring, I'd pick the fast learner who makes the most of her opportuinities over the slacker who makes promises but just runs up his expense account.

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    DanManjt

    My goodness, the hypocracy of the Right never ceases to amaze.

    But it don't fool the American public. Nah, those dark days are long over.,

    Hello President Obama.

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    Nessie

    I'm surprised the GOP hasn't blamed the pregnancy on John Edwards.

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    ambrosia

    Whitehawk: Are you serious? Look I wouldn't defend a Democratic candidate just because they were Democratic so why defend her - just because she's Republican - unless of course you do agree with some of her finer achievements, such as leaving Wasill $20 million in debt largely by pushing through her pet projects and, in contrast to her portrayal as a "maverick" fully supporting the Bridge to Nowhere until she realized no one in the lower 48 was and that Alaska had become a laughing stock because of it. Do you seriously think she is not only the best option McCain had for a VP but that she is the best possible alternative that America has for a President?

    Lohttp://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/29/did-palin-really-fight-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx

    — Palin didn’t back McCain in the primary. She stayed neutral in Alaska’s January primary — perhaps on account of McCain’s opposition to drilling in ANWR. “A lot of us are sitting back and waiting to see if there will be new players in there," she said in 2007. "That’s probably why that box that says ‘none of the above’ is so popular right now."

    — Mayoral performance. Palin, who portrays herself as a fiscal conservative, racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla — that amounts to $3,000 per resident. She argues that the debt was needed to fund improvements.

    — Stevens and Young, redux. Palin has distanced herself from the state’s two most popular politicians, but both appeared at Palin fundraisers during her 2006 gubernatorial bid.

    — The environment. As governor, Palin vetoed wind power and clean coal projects, including a 50-megawatt wind farm on Fire Island and a clean coal facility in Healy that had been mired in a dispute between local and state governments.

    — And, maybe, censorship. According to the Frontiersman newspaper, Wasilla’s library director, Mary Ellen Emmons, said that Palin asked her outright if she "could live with censorship of library books.” Palin later dismissed the conversation as a “rhetorical” exercise.

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    ambrosia

    Oh! And shall we get into her "Alaska First" ideas? This is fun! Any other great achievements of hers we can talk about?

    "Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

    And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

    Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

    'We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed goldminer -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law.'"

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    jwills79

    I have question! Has anyone seen the cover of People magazine with picture of the McCain and Palin families. Palin's son is busy with the military. Where was McCain's dark-skinned Bangladeshi daughter? Any takers on why she hasn't been in the media? Wholesome family values except for the secrets you keep under the stairs. I hope she isn't being treated like the family's servant.

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    jwills79

    Ambrosia,

    Don't forget she was also a supporter of Pat Buchanan, the right winger and Nazi sympathizer.

    Buchanan himself told MSNBC's Chris Matthews last week that Palin "was a brigadeer in 1996 as was her husband ... They were at a fundraiser for me, she's a terrific gal, she's a rebel reformer."

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    jwills79

    Recent polls have Obama 51% and McCain 45%.

    Bookmakers in Britain and Ireland were offering 20-1 odds or higher on a bet that she would be forced off the ticket, meaning a 1 pound ($1.78) bet would pay 20 pounds. Now that same bet will pay no more than 8 pounds.

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    jwills79

    Actually, Palin was for the infamous $398 million bridge — to connect the town of Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport on it — before she was against it, speaking in favor of it during her 2006 race for governor.

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    Sarge

    "Recent polls have Obama 51% and McCain 45%."

    I've seen others that have them in a virtual dead heat. But at this point, with Obama officially annointed and Palin and McCain yet to make their acceptance speeches, and with U.S. troops still n Iraq and with the economy, though picking up in some areas, is still in a slow-down, Obama should be 20 points ahead. But he ain't! Don't forget - Palin is 80%!

    "Palin...was for the infamous $398 million bridge... before she was against it"

    Yeah, when the costs began to spiral, she decided to use the money for other projects. This is not flip-flopping like John "I was actually for the $87 billon before I was against it" Kerry, this is using good judgement and changing course when circumstances and common sense require it.

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    jwills79

    Sarge,

    Yeah, I saw other polls 48% and 43% later. What do you think about her and her husband supporting a party (AIP) that has interest in succession from the US. Is that change we can believe? Or is that qualities of leader who will put the country first?

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    MarieDevine

    I think Governor Palin is a good choice for John McCain. She settled some good differences between Obama and McCain and at the same time showed that she could defeat Obama now (if they used the argument that she is a heartbeat away from being president herself.)

    We need to show the candidates that there is a better way to prosper America and bring security. We are going the wrong way and destroying ourselves from off the earth as the word of God says. The goal in life is not employment; it is retirement in a garden paradise that solves all world problems at the same time. So why should we create more jobs and give higher wages? Why should we create better fuel to continue destructive, polluting lifestyles that continue world problems when a garden paradise would solve problems? We will still have the same worries unless we turn around to true freedom and independence.

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    frontandcentre

    Sarge, sorry - I wasn't aware that John Kerry was involved in this election. And pro-independence is the new patriotism now? very interesting. You can all return to British rule if you like - we'll sort you out!

    Kerry fought in Vietnam (while Bush was going AWOL from the National Air Guard back in the safety of the States), but at least he didn't get caught, tortured and psychologically broken like McCain did.

    You have to worry about a 72-year-old man who's been through all that and then takes on more than he can handle. No - safe hands means Obama, to anyone with any sense, at least

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