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    Sarge

    Oooooooooooh, Barracuda!

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    zurcronium

    Sarge,

    more like dog and butterfly!

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    yabits

    “You know it just wouldn’t be appropriate to have a festive occasion while a near tragedy or a terrible challenge is presented in the form of a natural disaster, so we’re monitoring it from day to day and I’m saying a few prayers, too,” McCain said

    Gee, John, that's not how you were treating the situation when Katrina was destroying New Orleans 3 years ago. The picture tells the story.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050829-5_p082905pm-0125-515h.html

    Looks pretty darn festive to me. (How was the cake, John?)

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    zurcronium

    Yes we all remember "Heck of a job Brownie" from bush as New Orleans drowned. Repubs dont care about anybody unless they are worth at least $5 million, or what mccain calls the middle class. You know, the ones with just one home, not ten or more.

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    yabits

    He told CBS’ “60 Minutes” he had yet to meet Palin but “she seems to have a compelling life story.

    McCain must have just watched "Mystery, Alaska" the night before.

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    yabits

    Sarah Palin is Harriet Miers without the experience. Heck of job, Johnnie.

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    zurcronium

    Transcript of interview with new VP candidate:

    "Mayor, what do you think of the current Iraqi war status?"

    "Well, is it snowing in Iraq. Cause its snowing in Alaska now."

    "OK, I see. Thank you, Senator mccain, what were you thinking?"

    "And the occupation of Palestine by Israel/"

    "Do they have Moose burgers over there, I have never been there."

    "Is Alaska suffering from the bush recession with high home foreclosures?"

    "Um, well, with the snow falling we cant see the foreclosure signs"

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    smithinjapan

    Anyone who simply votes for McCain based on his having a female running mate is a dolt, and I think they overestimate the number of 'Hilary supporters' that are suddenly going to forget the politics of the Republicans and switch sides simply for some feminine comfort. They wanted Hilary because of her strength, determination, and for her values and views -- which were very liberal. This woman's strength and determination have as of yet been hardly tested, and while I don't doubt she's a strong woman, I state again that someone so fickle as to jump ship simply because a woman is on the other side... well... you dig your own grave, I guess. That fact that its a woman in a high-powered position is a plus (as in, in this day and age a woman taking the reigns instead of a man), if she can do the job well, but again McCain's transparent choice of Palin doesn't mean everyone's going to suddenly 'cut and run' to the other side.

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    Alphaape

    Gee, John, that's not how you were treating the situation when Katrina was destroying New Orleans 3 years ago. The picture tells the story.

    I was here in Japan when Katrina struck, but I was able to watch the progress of the storm as it was heading towards New Orleans. Why is this significant? Because I was half a world away, and could see the Big Easy was headed for trouble, but the local politicians (Blanco the Dme Gov, and Nagin the Dem mayor (whose own family he made sure got out)) dropped the ball. There was plenty of news coverage on all the channels to warn the people of NO about Katrina.

    There were many people who left NO before the storm, and those that did not have transportatin, there was a method in place, but local politicans dropped the ball.

    So, yes "W" and the rest knew it was headed that way, but it still is up to the local officials to act responsibly.

    Biden said the region was much better prepared than before Katrina. “Just pray to God that those levees hold,” he said.

    The Army Corps of Engineers has put a lot of work and money into reparing the levees, and I hope that they work. The Rep Gov of LA has been far ahead of where Blanco was this time with Katrina.

    Hopefully both parties will not try to use the tragedy of a hurricane if it hits to make cheap shots and get votes.

    I think Palin is a good choice, and the one VP debate between her and Biden should be good. Ater all, she has been in a few beauty pagents and can probably answer a question. I just hope that it would not be like the infamous Miss US Teen America and her answers about "US Americans."

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    VOR

    Smart move. The election will be won or lost in either Pennsylvania or Ohio.

    McCain is on the uptick in both these states. Democrats have to be very nervous about Palin's appeal to blue collar and female voters in both these states, key battleground states where Barack America got trounced by Hillary in the primaries.

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    yabits

    Because I was half a world away, and could see the Big Easy was headed for trouble, but the local politicians (Blanco the Dme Gov, and Nagin the Dem mayor (whose own family he made sure got out)) dropped the ball.

    Blanco and Nagin weren't enjoying cake while people in New Orleans were drowning were they? No, they were on the phone to Brownie. (After cake with McCain, Bush was heading for a fund-raiser for the main thing that's important to Republicans: other Republicans and their money.)

    The picture of McCain enjoying some festive cake on his birthday ought to make everyone stop and pause about where this guy's head really is.

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    Sarge

    zurcronium - More like Crazy on You! Heh, Democrat politicians are just as rich if not richer than the Republicans.

    yabits -You don't know what you're talking about.

    VOR - California has the most electoral votes.

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    Sarge

    I'd like to see a one-on-one basketball game between Palin and Obama.

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    yabits

    The election will be won or lost in either Pennsylvania or Ohio.

    Al Gore carried Pennsylvania in 2000 and John Kerry won it in 2004. In 2008, Obama-Biden will carry it, thanks to the efforts of people like Ed Rendell. I'm sure that when Pennsylvanians get a whiff of Palin, it will remind them of the hardcase senator they recently rejected: Santorum.

    Ohio? Democratic governor Ted Strickland and popular Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown will make things very tough for the Republicans.

    The most interesting state is the most "RED" of the old industrial belt states: Indiana. In 2000 and 2004, Republicans carried double-digit leads in both states. This year, Obama and McCain are running even.

    Not trends that look good for the GOP.

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    VOR

    Sarge: are you suggesting California is in play?

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    yabits

    As Time magazine puts it all so well:

    "On the face of it, McCain has failed the ultimate test that any presidential candidate must face in picking a running mate: selecting someone who is unambiguously qualified to be president."

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    Sarge

    yabits - Palin is more qualified than Obama. And we Americans don't elect our leaders based on Time magazine's opinion.

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    1001tlc

    What is the difference between McCain and Obama? Can't understand what these guys are saying. I sometimes watched these guys speeches and debates with my TV's sound off, could only see their facial expression "Vote for me" blah.

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    Sarge

    1001tlc - You have to turn the sound up on your TV.

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    Alphaape

    yabits, As Time magazine puts it all so well:

    "On the face of it, McCain has failed the ultimate test that any presidential candidate must face in picking a running mate: selecting someone who is unambiguously qualified to be president."

    I seem to remember they said the same thing about Bush the Elder when he picked Dan Quayle. And look where it got him.

    If the person you select for VP is best qualified to be Pres. then shouldn't they be the top name on the ticket?

    Time magazine has also through the history of the publication named such outstanding persons as "Person of the Year" the types of: Adolf Hitler (1938) Joseph Stalin (1939/1942) Nikita Krushchev (1957) Richard Nixon 91972)

    and various types (yes some US Presidents and good people).

    But a magazine that in the past can say that Hitler and Stalin are persons of the year, I doubt if they can predict who will win the US election based on a VP pick.

    Bottom line, look at it this way. When Obama was a "community activist" working to make things better in the community, who was he presenting his proposals to in the city? Answer: the city council which is normally run by the mayor of the city. So, Palin, mayor of a small city was still at a position that governed the actions of a "community planner" like Obama, since he likes to tout his experiences in this field. As a gov. she had to deal with a legislative branch, a judical branch and various organizations that run a state. Leadership plain and simple. Her actions afected the outcome of the 600,000 people in her state.

    Obama, once again, as a community activist only those who were directly in his community (and he was responsible for seeking charitable donations and asking the "mayor" for money to implement programs, not necessarily running the program). And as a Senator (both state and federal level) you debate laws and sit in committe meetings and vote on enacting them. This is a responsible job, but in the end, once you vote a law into effect, you don't have to deal with the day to day implementation and interpretation of the law, like most mayors and governors have to.

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    Taka313

    Gov. Palin, two short years ago, was the mayor of a "city" of 5500 people.

    Yeah, that screams executive experience.

    And Americans don't elect their leaders based on Time magazine's opinion. But I know of one little guy who votes based on the opinion issued him by fox "news."

    Taka

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    Taka313

    Alphaape, You do realize, Time Magazine's person of the year is based on that person's impact on the world and not their moral character.
    HUGE strawman there, my friend.

    Taka

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    Sarge

    "Gov. Palin, two short years ago, was the mayor of a "city" of 5500 people"

    The people of the city of Wasilla, Alaska consider their city to be a real city, Taka313.

    And still, Palin is more qualified than your choice.

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    Sarge

    "Time Magazine's Person of the Year"

    I remember this one: You. ( everyone )

    Moderator: Back on topic please.

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    Sarge

    Taka313 - "one little guy"

    You've never seen me, have you? Tee hee!

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    yabits

    Palin is more qualified than Obama.

    IF, and note the word "if," Americans are to believe the Republican pap that Obama isn't qualified, then claiming that Palin is "more qualified" isn't saying much -- from a Republican point of view. This is a FAR cry from the standard ("unambiguously qualified") that would make complete sense to most people -- especially when considering a man well over 70 who has had cancer a few times.

    And we Americans don't elect our leaders based on Time magazine's opinion.

    Non sequitur. Americans base their opinions on hearing the opinions of others, and Time magazine's opinion is just as qualified as any other. McCain failed his first serious test and we Americans expect Republicans to be in complete denial about it.

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    VOR

    Taka is just repeating the sentiments of your typical elitist liberal; small town America is not important.

    Taka also is reading directly out of the daily kos play book. Elitist liberals would like the American public to forget that Gov Palin has an 80% approval rating in the state which she has run for the last two years. Compare that to Barack Obama experience as a senator who has done nothing but run for president for two of the three years he has been in the senate.

    If anybody's experience is in serious question it is Barack America's; a deficit in experience which 18 million democrats voted against during the primaries and is now coming to light with the rest of the voting public.

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    Taka313

    "elitist liberal"

    Vor, I'm pointing at you as I laugh (it's an "at," not a "with").
    Would we also like the American public to forget that Gov. Palin is under investigation? ;-)

    But..."elitist." That's just too rich. In one fell swoop, we've gone from "dirty-freaking hippies" to "elitist," so what changed? Not our tax bracket.

    You funny.

    Taka

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    WhiteHawk

    Zurcronium:

    Yes we all remember "Heck of a job Brownie" from bush as New Orleans drowned.

    Yes we all do. But some of you purposely forget the useless idiots Nagin and Blanco.

    yabits:

    Blanco and Nagin weren't enjoying cake while people in New Orleans were drowning were they? No, they were on the phone to Brownie.

    Actually, Nagin was moving his family to Dallas and Blanco was too scared of National Guard troops to let them in N'Awlins (a city of murderers!).

    "On the face of it, McCain has failed the ultimate test that any presidential candidate must face in picking a running mate: selecting someone who is unambiguously qualified to be president."

    But you're voting for Obama, right? Just checking.

    Taka313:

    Gov. Palin, two short years ago, was the mayor of a "city" of 5500 people. Yeah, that screams executive experience.

    And still, she beats Obama.

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    yabits

    I seem to remember they said the same thing about Bush the Elder when he picked Dan Quayle. And look where it got him.

    Yeah, one term too many and made Quayle a laughingstock.

    Regarding the "person of the year," you evidently misunderstand how and why it is chosen.

    Re your final two paragraphs, keep trying to convince yourself of that. But just imagine that it was a Democrat who chose an inexperienced small-town mayor (of a town few have ever heard of) turned governor for less than two years of a lightly populated state. (The state that receives the most by far in federal money per capita.) Oh, I can just hear the hooting and hollering now.

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    yabits

    The people of the city of Wasilla, Alaska consider their city to be a real city

    Is that pronounced Wussie-Lah?

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    WhiteHawk

    Taka313:

    Would we also like the American public to forget that Gov. Palin is under investigation?

    Well, you would obviously prefer the American public not know the rest of the story:

    On July 11, 2008, Palin dismissed Walter Monegan as Commissioner of Public Safety and instead offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he subsequently turned down. Monegan alleged shortly after his dismissal that it may have been partly due to his reluctance to fire an Alaska State Trooper, Mike Wooten, who had been involved in a divorce and child custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly McCann. In 2006, before Palin was governor, Wooten was briefly suspended for ten days for threatening to kill McCann's (and Palin's) father, tasering his 11-year-old stepson (at the stepson's request), and violating game laws. After a union protest, the suspension was reduced to five days. Palin asserted that her dismissal of Monegan was unrelated to the fact that he had not fired Wooten, and asserts that Monegan was instead dismissed for not adequately filling state trooper vacancies, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues." Palin acknowledged that a member of her administration, Frank Bailey, did contact the Department of Public Safety regarding Wooten, but both Palin and Bailey say that happened without her knowledge and was unrelated to her dismissal of Monegan. Bailey was put on leave for two months for acting outside the scope of his authority as the Director of Boards and Commissions. Commissioner Monegan received no severance pay, though at the same time another dismissed Commissioner, Charles Kopp (who served only 11 days) received $10,000. In response to Palin's statement that she had nothing to hide, in August 2008 the Alaska Legislature hired Steve Branchflower to investigate Palin and her staff for possible abuse of power surrounding the dismissal, though lawmakers acknowledge that "Monegan and other commissioners serve at will, meaning they can be fired by Palin at any time." The investigation is being overseen by Democratic State Senator Hollis French, who says that the Palin administration has been cooperating and thus subpoenas are unnecessary. The Palin administration itself was the first to release an audiotape of Bailey making inquiries about the status of the Wooten investigation.

    But wait, let me guess, only the ill-informed wouldn't vote for Obama, right?

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    Alphaape

    yabits, I full well understand what goes into making the "Person of the Year" at Time. Not trying to convince myself on the pick of Palin. I have grown up in some of the areas that Obama has claimed that he worked as a community activist. I know some community activist. Some are good, but by and large, a lot of them are what you would call "poverty hustlers" whose best intereest is to keep a perpetual underclass so that they can enrich themselves. Unlike here in Japan, there is money to be made in "taking care of the poor." All of those fundraisers that you see people like the Van-Astors and the other people in large and small cities that claim to want to help the poor are big cash cows. Funny, if you are invited to one, see how many of the "poor" are there to actually recive the help. In true "Reganonimcs" the money will eventually "trickle down" to the people who need it. After the community organizers get their cut.

    Taka313, no I don't get my talking points by watching Fox news, just as you probably don't get yours watching MSNBC or CNN. I will admit, FOX is much fairer than the others, but I do read on my own. Does Obama have some good points to him in my opinion, well yes he does. But I look at the overall picture and I don't see it there for him. And in case you are wondering, I am Black, a male, and college educated, and we all don't fall over him just because he wears a suit and can speak well. Like I mentioned earlier, I know a few community organizers, and I know what they can and will (or will not do).

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    cow76

    Far too right wing to get votes from the centre or the left. And she's not going to get many women's votes either because she's anti-abortion. On top of that: no experience.

    Poor choice, McCain.

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    Everton2

    If you believe that a large chuck of women is going to vote for Palin, then might as well you accept the idea that pigs fly.

    This is a woman that don't even have a passport; moreover she is advocating the teaching of creationist doctrines in school and categorically rejects a woman's right to choose.

    Sarah "barracuda gun carrying" Palin is by all definition an anachronism representing a quantum leap back to the past.

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    memyselfI

    McCain is tooo old. And Palin used to be Miss Alaska. So it shows how brilliant she is. This election year will be close.

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    USNinJapan2

    yabits et al.

    As you've been touting from the beginning, if this is really such an easy election for the Democrats and there's no way that Obama/Biden can lose, why do you feel compelled to post here ad nauseum like you do? Who are trying to convince and of what? If anything your posts (particularly their tone and frequency) convey anything but confidence in the Democrats' ability to win in November...

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    Statistician

    What a dumb decision. The woman has 'loser' stamped on her forehead. Had he even met her before he chose her?

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    Alphaape

    USN, good post. I may not know all about Palin, but look at it this way, out of 600,000 people in Alaska, at least 51% of the voting electorate think she knows what she is doing since she was elected governor there.

    If we want to go on experience, the Mitt Romney would have been the best choice since he has had business experience. None of the candidates except Palin can claim that.

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    Blue_Tiger

    A brilliant pick by McCain! Al those Hillary supporters who saw their candidate to become the first woman President of the United States of America will now flock to MCCain to vote for the candidate who has a more likely shot of becoming the first woman Vice-President than Geraldine ferraro was in `84. This pick almost -- ALmost makes me want to vote for McCan....

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    SushiSake3

    Obama spokesman Bill Burton seized immediately on the experience issue, saying McCain has put "the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency."

    Jim Jordan, a veteran Democratic strategist, told Politico, "After his [McCain's] attacks on Obama's readiness for the job, it'll be amusing to hear a 71-year-old with a history of health problems justify this decision."

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    SushiSake3

    Heh, McCain only met Palin once before he nominated her, and was seriously considering Lieberman until only a few days ago.

    This shows just how desperate McCain was - and still is - now that he has chosen Palin in an eye-wateringly blatant attempt to pander to disaffected Hillary supporters.

    I would honestly like to think intelligent US voters will see through McCain's obvious politiking, but after observing that Americans elected the Captain Of Failure - George W. Bush - twice, and how some on this board still like to emphasise, capitalize and utilize Obama's middle name to try to appeal to the clearly ill-informed tranch of thier society, I'm not so confidant.

    ,

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    Helter_Skelter

    And Palin used to be Miss Alaska. So it shows how brilliant she is.

    Hmmm...nothing like a little sexism and stereotyping. I thought the left was above that sort of stuff. Not really.

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    zurcronium

    blue tiger,

    woman dont vote for plumbling, they vote on womans issues which the repub party have abandoned along time ago. No way democratic woman vote for a rapidly anti-choice rightwing christian fundamentalist like the snow bunny. No way. The fact that the repubs even thing this shows how desperate they are cuase then know in november is being on the losing side of a landslide that is coming.

    You think Allen Keys would get elected in NYC cause he is black. The guy is a repub lunatic, few blacks would vote for him. Only the five percent that hate their own race.

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    USNinJapan2

    SushiSake3

    You're not even carrying on a debate with anyone here. You're just unilaterally throwing up pro-Obama anti-McCain posts one after another in a conversation with yourself. Why the need? Who are you trying to convince? I thought you told us all long ago that George Bush had singlehandely wiped out all possibility of a Republican victory in November 08 regardless of who the Republican or Democratic candidates may be...

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    smithinjapan

    USNinJapan: "As you've been touting from the beginning, if this is really such an easy election for the Democrats and there's no way that Obama/Biden can lose, why do you feel compelled to post here ad nauseum like you do?"

    I really hope you will keep this post on hand and post it under the comments of your fellow republicans. I don't think you post too much at all, but you should have seen RomeoRamen yesterday -- I think if you still look you'll find some 10% of the posts are his (and there are nearly 200 on the thread). Sarge is also another winner when it comes to number of posts. My point is, make sure you remember what you said when we post in reply to the umpeenth post of those on 'your' side.

    Again, McCain's pick was super-obvious, and bogus. I would applaud him if I actually thought he were doing it for the sake of women and the country, instead of for a few more points.

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    timekiller

    Regardless of the obvious questions of her ability, and investigations into her involvement in Ted Steven's ("the Internet's not a truck--it's a series of tubes") corruption and the firing of her estranged State Trooper brother-in-law: It now appears very likely that "her" fifth child, born just months ago with Down's Syndrome, actually belongs to her 17-year-old daughter.

    This wouldn't matter to me at all if FOX News could keep their own hands out of their opponent's pants. It's the hypocrisy that frosts my cake.

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    somo99999

    speaking out my opinion : -

    " Palin could also help McCain’s efforts to target Clinton’s supporters, many of whom are deeply disappointed that Obama upset her in the primaries, ending her campaign to become America’s first female president, and then bypassed her for the vice presidency. "

    The above statement holds very true and very deep meaning among a lot of female voters in America. Obama has made a very big mistake by appointing Joe Biden as his vice presidential candidate. The voice on ground wants Hillary Clinton but Obama appointed Joe Biden instead.

    Sarah Palin has now answered that call among growing number of american voters that want to see a female vice president.

    The Obama Joe Biden team will lose and the Mccain Sarah Palin team will win. Looks like come 2009 we are going to see 4 more years of Bush policies in office thanks to the stupid mistake made by Barack Obama.

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    SushiSake3

    somso9999 - I'm sure it would be wonderful for John McCain supporters their candidate wins, but heh, I'm grounded in reality.

    Obama '08!

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    smithinjapan

    somo99999: "The above statement holds very true and very deep meaning among a lot of female voters in America. Obama has made a very big mistake by appointing Joe Biden as his vice presidential candidate. The voice on ground wants Hillary Clinton but Obama appointed Joe Biden instead."

    The opposite also holds true; a HUGE part of the American public, and even some posters on here, said they would switch over to Republican or vote otherwise if Obama chose Hilary as his VP pick, and that's going to hurt McCain on the other end. SOME of those said/felt so because she is a woman, for sure, and those people SHOULDN'T matter, but ultra-conservatives may well switch sides for the same reason.

    As to the people with BRAINS who would vote for someone not solely based on gender (be it Hilary or Palin) , I doubt they're going to switch from a strong leader like Hilary to an unknown woman from Alaska, STRICTLY based on gender.

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    USNinJapan2

    smithinjapan

    I think there's a definite distinction between the pro-Republicans and the pro-Democrats posting here. The pro-Dems were right to say way back when that because of Bush's 2 terms the 08 election should be a cakewalk for the Democrats. But it isn't is it? I question the sanity of anyone who, seeing how the campaigns and polls are currently turning out, honestly thinks that Obama is going to win this election in a landslide or even comfortably. Like I said, this should be an easy election for the Democrats but for a number of reasons, some self-induced and some to the credit of the Republicans, it's going to be a close race. Yet the pro-Dem posters here continue to claim that McCain is a leper for whom no one is going to vote. If that's true then why do they spend so much time and energy criticizing him here? There should be no need.

    As for RomeoRamen and other pro-McCain posters, if anything they do have reason to post as they do. McCain and the Republican Party are the underdogs in this election thanks to George Bush remember? If anyone gets some leeway it's them. I too support McCain but you don't see me posting one liners or page-long diatribes aimed at Obama because I personnaly think it's pointless to argue politics on a forum like this. It simply won't get you anywhere no matter how fact based or objective your post may be. It's still just an opinion.

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    smithinjapan

    USN: " I question the sanity of anyone who, seeing how the campaigns and polls are currently turning out, honestly thinks that Obama is going to win this election in a landslide or even comfortably."

    I agree with you there, 100%

    "As for RomeoRamen and other pro-McCain posters, if anything they do have reason to post as they do. McCain and the Republican Party are the underdogs in this election thanks to George Bush remember?"

    I don't agree with this part, however. I would agree with it if they're posts had anything worth arguing or logic, but often it's the kind of reaction you would expect from a child if you told them that they were wrong (ie. sticking fingers in ears, ignoring what the person/poster says, and crying/ranting on and on about a bunch of usually unrelated stuff). No one has any reason to post as such, being it Dems. posting ad nauseum when Bush won the last election, or Repubs. now posting in a knee-jerk reaction. Again, if you're going to post about one person's 'ad nauseum' posts, you have to address all... unless they are in 'realistic' response to others (ex. you and I aren't just launching meaningless invectives here in response to each other).

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    Sarge

    yabits - "Is that ( Wasilla ) pronounced Wussie-Lah?"

    No. Any other smart-aleck questions?

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    yabits

    As you've been touting from the beginning, if this is really such an easy election for the Democrats and there's no way that Obama/Biden can lose, why do you feel compelled to post here ad nauseum like you do?

    I have never touted that 2008 will be an easy election for the Dems. (Not like Sarge has said it will be a landslide for the Republicans.)

    To answer your question: When confronted with mass delusion on the part of so many Americans, my impulse is to help them see the light of the truth beyond FOX News.

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    yabits

    It is very difficult to track the logic of people who themselves believe that the 2008 will be close AND who want to excuse the Republican ad-nauseum-type posters because of their "underdog status."

    There are readers who go through forums like this without ever commenting. Pointing out truths like what John McCain and George Bush were doing as Katrina was devastating New Orleans, or what Sarah Palin's stated position was on the infamous "bridge to nowhere" are the kinds of things that may influence them to keep reading, if not influence their opinions on who to choose as the next leader.

    To even imply or suggest that the pro-Democratic posters just "move on" and leave the board to Republicans is something that I hope most readers would discern as very undemocratic at its core.

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    yabits

    As John McCain takes Gov. Palin around Pennsylvania, we should remind folks that, back in June, he went up to Canada for the express purpose of showing Canadians he was 100% behind NAFTA and so-called "free trade."

    Whether or not people are for or against free trade as McCain views it, I believe he should bring his views on that front-and-center as he visits Pennsylvania, Ohio, and the other rust belt states.

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    1001tlc

    Sarge: When all these guys' blabbing is over.

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    Alphaape

    If McCain is pandering to women, then isn't Obama just pandering to the people who say that he does not have enoungh Foreign Policy experience, and that he is just a new comer to Washington. So he picks an old political insider into Washington to give him some "credibility?"

    So no matter who they pick, unless they could somehow clone themselves they will be pandering. If McCain would have picked Romney, he would have pandered to the established Republican right. If Lieberman, he would be pandering to those in the Rep. party and the Independents. If Obama would have picked Bill Richardson, he would have pandered to the Hispanic vote. What is happening to American politics is the "Balkanization" of the political arena, where everyone fells that their own self interests are far greater than the common good.

    I may not vote for Obama, and still shaky on McCain, but at least look at it from the perspective of who you think would do the best job to run the country. Some think Obama, some McCain. Whatever the case, I will not say something silly like Alec Baldwin and his proclamation to leave the country if Bush was reelected (he was and he didn't leave), but continue to try to support whomever wins, and just wait until the next election cycle rolls around.

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    yabits

    If McCain is pandering to women, then isn't Obama just pandering to the people who say that he does not have enoungh Foreign Policy experience, and that he is just a new comer to Washington. So he picks an old political insider into Washington to give him some "credibility?"

    Consider the ludicrous nature of that question for a minute, and begin to understand what it means to "pander."

    It is one thing to admit that one is not strong in a certain area and picks a partner to shore that up. The main point being that no human being can have experience in all areas, and that expertise can be gained if one applies himself or herself to that area. There is no "pander" here at all.

    It is quite another thing for a John McCain to effectively say, "Well, I lack a vagina and so I'm going to choose a person who has one as a running mate in hopes of drawing in others who are 'vaginally endowed.'" Now, THAT is pandering.

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    LIBERTAS

    I am going to go out on a limb here. (http://whatreallyhappened.com/)

    Sarah was not announced as VP until after Hillary had failed to wrest the Democratic nomination away from Obama. It could be that Sarah was a desperation ploy to have a woman on the ticket to woo disaffected Hillary voters. If so, having a beauty queen opposed to birth control and abortion was a major miscalculation.

    Or maybe something else is up.

    We know that McCain was still pushing for Joe Lieberman to be VP as of last Sunday. McCain might have chosen Palin in a desperation ploy, or maybe out of pique at being denied his first choice. Quoting M. Rivero Esq.: "Or... and here is where the convention will get interesting, the GOP leadership has realized that McCain cannot win against Obama, either with Lieberman or without, and saddled him with a crippling choice for VP in a ploy to get McCain to decide to refuse the nomination, thereby opening up a floor fight for a new set of nominees. Yes, it's kind of a wild idea. But right now I am having a hard time seeing the GOP as being that incredibly stupid in choosing Sarah Palin as the candidate for VP.

    Oyasumi-nasai Sarge et al.!

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    proxy

    The internets are abuzz with rumors that she is not a mother of 5 but is in fact a mother of 4 and grandmother of 1. If her 17 year old daughter had a kid, its okay, but if she Palin lied about, it and fraudulently lied on the baby's birth certificate she really has poor judgment.

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    ColAmerica

    proxy; Damn Liberal lies trying to blacken the name of a god fearing decent woman.

    McCain chose Palin, as they both share the same high moral standards. Nothing the Liberal media can say can change the fact taht she would make a good VP.

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    yabits

    What are Americans worried about? First and foremost, the economy. McCain admits that economic matters are not his strong suit. So common sense would dictate that he'd go for a parner to shore up his credentials in that vital area. IF he's truly putting America first.

    But he's not. His pick for VP is not going to be much help other than telling the unemployed to pick up a gun and hunt for their food, the way Alaskans do. I'm not too sure how Americans will take to Sarah Palin's tips on canning moose and salmon. Hockey is not a very popular sport down here either. (Although, having been born and raised in "Hockeytown," I love the sport.)

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    yabits

    Did McCain pander to women by choosing Palin? Isn't pandering one of the crudest forms of trying to gain acceptance?

    It is also a crude attempt by some who can't address the message to try to attack the messenger.

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    VOR

    Panic on the left. They don't know what to do so they resort to doing what is in their nature; sling mud to see what sticks.

    Palin's experience dwarfs Obama's yet they try to make it seem like the country is at great risk if she becomes the VP when in fact its the Democrats who have nominated a guy with about the same credentials as Dan Quail did when he became VP.

    They throw at her the lowest of the low personal attacks that have absolutely no merit. How does anyone who walks upright accuse a mother of intentionally damaging their unborn child for political gain, how does anyone have the nerve to suggest she is placing her career over her special needs child?

    They accuse her of being guilty of some kind of abuse of power when the charges remain unproven and appear politically motivated.

    Its pretty clear why these people are in a panic. Its become apparent to them they should have picked the pantsuit over the empty one.

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    Badsey

    Pennsylvania Democrats illegally wasted 4 Million of Penn money trying to keep the Green Party off the ballot.

    -if they are talking about political corruption, Pennsylvania is near the top.

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    MarieDevine

    Governor Palin and John McCain will have similar goals to Barack Obama except the anti-abortion and same-sex marriage issues; but real change will only come from a new vision and direction toward creating a retirement lifestyle of a garden paradise.

    Rebuilding the military, building alliances to fight other people's wars, enticing more people to enlist and prepare for war, and giving better benefits is not change. If we turned from our employment lifestyle that causes stress, pollution, disease, accidents, afflictions, wars and conflicts, we would not need universal health care, social services like welfare and pre-kindergarten child care.

    Alliances would not be needed if we turned from our lifestyle of building military weapons, manufacturing, processing, and transporting food, goods, and people around the world to creating a garden paradise that supplies our needs in our communities.

    If John McCain and Governor Palin don’t change our ways, we will still be working away from families, buying insurance, and dealing with daily stress of energy needs, child care, college tuition, sons in military, and conflicts over abortion, same-sex marriages, and religion. Independence on foreign oil will make us dependent on local energy suppliers; there is no change in the present direction.

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    RomeoRamenII

    WhiteHawk - reference your 11:18 AM post to taka313 about the tazering cop: check out the forum.

    RR

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    LIBERTAS

    Lush Limbaugh: "We got a hot babe on our ticket!"

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    Badsey

    I think this Palin will be very endearing to Women voters, even more so than HilliaryBot. =she is a great choice.

    Battle On!

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