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SezWho2
When you hear the term "moral clarity", you should probably run--as far as you can and as fast. "Moral clarity" has little space to give to "moral confusion" and even less to give to a different "moral clarity".
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Sarge
"the family's mountaintop retreat"
That's what I want - a mountaintop retreat, along with a seaside retreat.
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adaydream
Wonder when Billy and Franklin will be meeting with Barack? < :-)
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skipthesong
aday: He met with the younger one, it says so in the article.
Anyway, why the hell meet this people? Why are they so important? Meeting with them does not constitute change. We need to get all religious back politics out of the equation. We have a freedom of religion, fine, but what we don't need is religion playing any part of politics at all.
Its stupid for either McC or O to meet them.
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SushiSake3
Wow, this must be Sen. McCain's first ever meeting with a man of the Lord.
Skip, it's a show for people who seriously believe religion has a part to play in politics. Relax.... :-)
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RomeoRamenII
Clark replied: “Well, I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president
So, if being shot down and take prisoner doesn't qualify anyone for President, then how about being sunk by an enemy boat and stranded on an island?
Seems that the good general forgot all about PT 109 and one of its occupants. Or does that only apply when they run on a democratic ticket?
RR
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SezWho2
RomeoRamenII,
No amount of war heroics qualifies anyone to be President. I must have missed Clark saying that Kennedy's experience qualified him for the Presidency but that McCain's did not. Or did you just make that up?
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Loki520
Sez, I don't think he was referring to anything clark said. Rather, the habit of the democrats applying hero-level worship to anything on a democrat ticket with a military background while they disparage anything a republican has done.
Clark is the very LAST military member who should ever talk smack about other military members and their experiences.
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SezWho2
Loki520,
That is precisely my point. Clark did not, as far as I know, say anything of the sort. And what he said about McCain is true. His wartime experience does not qualify him to be President. It has no relevance.
It is not true that Democrats disparage anything that a Republican has done. Democrats did not disparage Eisenhower. Democrats did not disparage Powell--at least not for his military service, and generally not at all. Look at who actually did disparage McCain. Go back to 2000. George W. Bush.
No, I think RomeoRamenII is creating division where none need exist. And if you support him with this "Democrats disparage Republican military candidates" theory, you are doing the same.
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RedMeatKoolAid
Clark is right. McCain's wartime experience, by itself, hardly qualifies him for president. But in light of what his lightweight opponent has to offer the country and the free world it looms very, very large.
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SezWho2
RedMeatKoolAid,
I think it's safe to say that it looms large for you. One of the worst Presidents the US has ever suffered, though, was Grant. So I hope you won't mind too much if some of the rest of us apply different criteria.
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RedMeatKoolAid
Comparisons to Ulysses Grant certainly qualifies as 'different criteria.'
Knock yourself out.
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Taka313
Skip, I couldn't agree with your post more. Separation of church and state seems to have gone the way of the do-do.
Sez, A very rational argument. Well said.
Taka
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SushiSake3
Clark replied: “Well, I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.”
I've been saying this on JT for months.
Nice to see a General shares the same view.
It would be far better for Sen. McCain if he gets some economic credentials before he starts boasting about his military credentials.
I wonder whether the Republican JT posters who think military credentials in a future president are important were this worried about the total lack of military credentials of the current president they voted in.
I smell hypocrisy...again.
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sailwind
Agreed, After all we already one president that had the same background. George Bush, you know GWB's daddy, shot down by the Japanese in WW2. He was a pretty bad President also, well not really compared to Jr.
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SushiSake3
"A lot of people don't know… that McCain made a propaganda video for the enemy while he was in captivity," wrote Americablog's John Aravosis. "Putting that bit of disloyalty aside, what exactly is McCain's military experience that prepares him for being commander in chief?"
"Getting shot down, tortured, and then doing propaganda for the enemy is not command experience," Aravosis wrote in the blog post, entitled "Honestly, besides being tortured, what did McCain do to excel in the military?"
www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11429.html
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SushiSake3
Another interesting comment about McCain from the same site -
"As a veteran myself I see nothing in McCain's war record that is exemplary. He finished (894 out of 899) in his class at the Naval Academy which meant he was able to get into flight school because his father was an Admiral and not on his own merits. We in the military hate the sons of top brass when they get favors they do not deserve. The purpose of being a soldier is not being captured by the enemy it is fighting the enemy. McCain is no "war hero" to me. I think people over use that phrase for too many vets. McCain is a survivor that's all. All this being said I think it's stupid for lefties, especially those that did not serve to attack anyone's war record. Even though I voted for Bush twice I was not happy with the right attacking Kerry. In fact that is one reason I came into this election favoring no party and looking at the facts behind each candidate. I have much more of a problem with McCain's anti-veteran voting record in the Senate through the years. McCain's AWOL no vote for the new GI Bill is another slap in the face to vets. The fact that he is the ONLY Vietnam Vet in the Senate that supports the continued occupation in Iraq and war with Iran speaks volumes about the man.
McCain is a neoconservative not a real conservative."
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sailwind
Being a spoiled brat Admirals boy that couldn't fly a fighter plane if his life depended on it, right Sushi. Good thing he got tortured for his sins by the North Vietnamese.
I'm sure you agree he got what he deserved.
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SushiSake3
Sailwind, I've got more admiration for you than I have for Sen. McCain.
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SezWho2
RedMeatKoolAid,
I think that would have been an example, not a comparison. You seem not to have taken the point so let me make it more plain. Grant was a great general and a lousy president.
Military savvy and military experience are not qualifications for the presidency of a democracy. Grant was not the criterion. Grant was a reason why the military experience criterion is unimportant.
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SushiSake3
Sailwind, respect needs to be deserved as you well know, and I personally believe too may people are jumping on the "He served on the military THEREFORE he deserves respect" bandwagon.
Sen. McCain was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, was let's face it a pretty crap pilot and when I look at his past, I don't find a lot to be admired.
If you think differently, let it out.
Againm I have more respect for you than I have for Sen. McCain.
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sailwind
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Pretty good President, elected twice.
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SushiSake3
Sarge, tell us how many planes McCain either crashed, bailed out of or was shot down in.
Quit making things up to suit your agenda.
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sailwind
No offense Sushi but I couldn't hold a candle to John McCain when it comes to service to ones country. I only ask one thing of you, hate the mans politics and post away but do not disparage the fact that the man was tortured and yet he was able to forgive his enemies.
That is beyond personal politics and speaks more volumes of the man than any partisan points posters want to make. I may not vote for the guy but I damn sure respect him for his personal character. You sure can't say that about Bush.
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SushiSake3
Sailwind, OK, I agree with you to a point - you are usually very to the point and I admire that.
Can I ask why you are not voting for McCain?
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RomeoRamenII
Clark said ... McCain has no executive experience
Heh, as if obama, who was a U.S. Senator for all of 143 days before throwing his hat into the ring for President, has the necessary "executive experience".
RR
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RomeoRamenII
Military savvy and military experience are not qualifications for the presidency of a democracy.
Even if you don't say it's all that important, look at Mr. McCain's other credentials:
Been in the service to his country longer than obama.
Been in the Senate longer than obama.
He's been to Iraq and Afghanistan eight times more than obama;
So, Sez, explain what, if any, experience does obama have to be anything. He's totally inexperienced to be even a U.S. Senator, much less the CiC. Race is all that obama has going for him.
RR
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Madverts
"Race is all that obama has going for him."
ramen, heh, you kinda forget the past eight years that the republican party got turned inside-out by Bush Co, and of course all the gay sex/ drug scandals the McCain has against him...
...and of course his advanced age.
The minds' eye can already see the Lemmings jostling for a place on the november clifftop, when the final bush supporters dissapear forever.
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zurcronium
mccain has forgotten more that Obama knows, that comes with being nearly 80 years old. Give or take a decade.
mccain use to be alright until he got bushwhacked by rove and his henchmen in 2000. mccain has never recovered from that swiftboat attack, shame is that now he has become bush as he wants to be president before he gets too old. wait a minute, he is too old now.
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RomeoRamenII
Actually, verts, it's the democrat Lemmings who'll once again be marching off the cliff come Nov. 4th
Here's why: The dems are backing a candidate who is attempting to declare the conversation on his race over and in doing so, he and his supporters believe that they can play the racial guilt trip card on those who even remotely approach obama's race or heritage during the campaign.
Sorry, verts, but it won't work. RR
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RomeoRamenII
So, to recap,
During the 2004 election, the dems were proclaiming that only a military veteran like john kerry (who also served in Vietnam) was qualified to be president.
Now, four short years later, they are now denigrating a POW in that same conflict and professing that an inexperienced, community organizer is qualified to be president.
Heh, democrat Lemming Day fast approaches.
RR
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Madverts
Four posts in a row...
...yup, he's getting in a Panic. I guess I'll see you like I didn't see you in '06, when Senator Obama is elected by a republican weary public.
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SezWho2
sailwind,
Yes, Eisenhower was a pretty good President. So what? I think I already mentioned that Democrats found nothing to disparage in his war record. Additionally they found little to disparage in his Presidency.
My point still stands--Grant and Eisenhower, two great generals. Only one of them was a good President. Military experience is not a criterion.
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SezWho2
RomeoRamenII,
Politics has been defined as the "art of the possible". You ask what experience Obama has that would qualify him for the Presidency. I'd say that he has proven experience in redefining the possible and proven experience in enrolling support for the possibility he sees.
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SushiSake3
Romeo -
"Been in the service to his country longer than obama.
Been in the Senate longer than obama."
Moot point. McCain is OLDER than Obama.
Now it makes a lot of sense.... :-)
Oh, and Romeo, Sen. Kerry didn't cause anywhere near as much trouble for the U.S. military or his country as Sen. McCain did.
With thinking like yours, RepuLemming Day draws ever closer. :-)
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