McCain, Obama mudslinging grips campaign

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coulrophobic at 09:28 AM JST - 10th October

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2008/10/obamavssp_500.php

Spooky.

The stock market's decline mirrors the increasing likelihood of Senator Obama's victory.
WilliB at 05:26 PM JST - 12th October

Pointing out Obamas radical socialist roots and connections is not "mud slinging". It is the "vetting" of candidates which the mainstream media has so miserably failed to do in this season.
SezWho2 at 10:27 PM JST - 12th October

Well, pointing out Obama's radical socialist roots when there aren't any is "mud slinging" and not "vetting".
OnTheRecord at 10:45 PM JST - 12th October

SezWho2- Hey, hi is a radical socialist. The guy wants to leave Iraq o become a terrorist stae, he is in league with Acorn, who fraudulently enlist homeless to vote for Obama. He was in league with ultra socialst Bill ayers, the guy who terrorised the nation.

how more radical and socialist can you get?
SezWho2 at 10:02 AM JST - 13th October

OnTheRecord,

There is nothing radically socialist about leaving Iraq to become a terrorist state. Furthermore, Obama does not want to leave Iraq to become a terrorist state.

ACORN is not radically socialist. There is nothing radically socialist about supporting housing for low or middle income families, for supporting economic opportunity for them and for registering people to vote. It is true that some ACORN staff have falsely registered votes. It is also true that ACORN has supported investigation of all such charges and have fired those found guilty. Obama is "in league with" ACORN only to the extent that it supports his candidacy and he generally supports its goals for lower and middle class Americans.

Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground never "terrorized the nation" although the Weather Underground was fairly called a radical socialist organization. Whatever Ayers was, there is now nothing radically socialist about him. Obama was never "in league with" Ayers except to serve together on boards and community projects.
coulrophobic at 10:23 AM JST - 13th October

"Obama is "in league with" ACORN only to the extent that it supports his candidacy and he generally supports its goals for lower and middle class Americans."

Wrong.

Obama is more than in league with ACORN, he helped make it as powerful as it is.

It's the Association of Community Organizers for Reform, Now.

How stupid do they think people are?

The level of deception his campaign is engaging in is shocking.

When a newspaper finds archived docs revealing long and deep ties he simply changes his story, updates his "Fight the smears" webpage, and says he was never hired by ACORN.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203

There is also this, from an old ACORN article left online:

"Let’s take a look at a quote from a 2004 article - Case Study: Chicago- The Barack Obama Campaign - written Toni Foulkes, a Chicago ACORN Leader, which was published in the journal Social Policy. Did we mention that Social Policy recently pulled this particular article from their website, while leaving links to all articles up?

Obama took the case, known as ACORN vs. Edgar (the name of the Republican governor at the time) and we won. Obama then went on to run a voter registration project with Project VOTE in 1992 that made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win the Senate that year. Project VOTE delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them).

Since then, we have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for State Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress in 1996. By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends."

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/10/09/barack-obamas-involvement-with-acorn-unearthed-missing-articles-recovered/

This guy just lies and lies and lies.
JoeBigs at 10:29 AM JST - 13th October
WilliB at 05:26 PM JST - 12th October

1.Pointing out Obamas radical

You are correct Obama is radical. He is radical to the neo-cons because he believes in changing the mistaken direction our nation is in.

2.socialist roots

Interesting I did not know he belonged a a Socialist political group. Can you give us proof of this by providing us some information of which Socialist group/s you belonged to or belongs to.

Now if you believe that Obama is a Socialist because he became a friend of Ayers well then let us begin to find out who else should be considered a Socialist.
1. Richard M. Daley Mayor of Chicago
2. Stanley O. Ikenberry Educator
3. Arnold R. Weber Worked under the Nixon Administration
4. Doris Salomón Chagin BP America Inc.
5. Patrick M. Sheahan UBS Investment Bank
6. Anyone working or studying at the University of Illinois at Chicago since he is a Distinguished Professor at that University.
7. Alice J. Palmer Illinois Senator
8. Anyone associated with or who has given money to the Woods Fund of Chicago
9. Anyone involved with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
10. Let us not forget anyone who is a friend of Obama and Ayers
11. Also let us add Bill Ayers and Obama`s neighbors, they too are Socialist because they know them......
Oh wait, did the Marverick McBush say that Obama was a decent person? He too must be a Radical Socialist!

If we follow this foolish road everyone in the Congress should be considered a Radical Socialist. Hell everyone in this Nation is also, opps let me correct myself.

Anyone except Palin and her AIP friends that is. She and her AIP friends are not at all radical!LOL
coulrophobic at 10:45 AM JST - 13th October

Joe Bigs - you couldn't possibly be more uninformed about the socialists Obama travels with and his stealth socialism.

You list Illinois senator Alice Palmer, the woman who hand-picked Obama to replace her.

From Investor's Business Daily, Thursday, August 21, 2008:

"Who Alice Palmer is and what she believed is the real story here. Ten years earlier she was an executive board member of the U.S. Peace Council, which the FBI identified as a communist front group, an affiliate of the World Peace Council, a Soviet front group. Palmer participated in the World Peace Council's 1983 Prague Assembly, part of the Soviet launch of the nuclear-freeze movement. The only thing it would have frozen was the Soviet Union's military superiority. In June 1986, while editor of the Black Press Review, she wrote an article for the Communist Party USA's newspaper, the People's Daily World, now the People's Weekly World. It detailed her experience attending the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and how impressed she was by the Soviet system. Palmer gushed at the "Soviet plan to provide people with higher wages and better education" and spoke of the efficiency of the Soviets' most recent five-year plan, attributing its success to "central planning." She praised their "comprehensive affirmative action program, which they have stuck to religiously — if I can use the word — since 1917." Palmer also marveled that all Russian citizens were guaranteed a job matching their training and skills, free education, affordable housing and free medical care. Because Soviet school curricula were established at the national level, she said, "there is no second-class 'track' system in the minority-nationality schools as there is in the inferior inner city schools in my hometown, Chicago, and elsewhere in the United States."
JoeBigs at 01:18 PM JST - 13th October
Great source there ,Investor's Business Daily a conservative newspaper.

Here is a counter point, if he is so close to Alice Palmer, then why did she campaign for Hillary?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/once-obamas-men.html

He must not be as left as you may think........OK let us try some connecting the dots......

John MCBush and his connections to;
1. The famous Keating Five and Lincoln Savings and Loan loss of over 3 BILLION.
2. How about this far right group, International Republican Institute. Nice bunch of Neo Cons that want to spread peace throughout the world.
3. Being called a Manchurian Candidate by George Bush. Nice ring huh, yeah I know it means nothing but since we are on this train let`s go all out.
Now let us not forget his Girl Friday
1. Palin and the Ultra Alaskan Nationalist group known as the Alaskan Independence Party
http://www.akip.org/

Bring out your mug, ring ring, bring out your mud!

Hell who cares about the issues let us just spread rumors and call Obama "An Arab!" that is all McBush and his gang of wacko Right Wing nuts can do.

BTW no one has brought up the fact that goooood old McBush was born in Panama have they! Dare it McBush is not even an American! LOL
coulrophobic at 01:51 PM JST - 13th October

"Great source there,Investor's Business Daily a conservative newspaper."

A conservative paper whose podcast page offers New Republic podcasts right alongside those of the conservative writers they feature. Show me one of your Lefty sites that is as interested in what the other side believes.

"Here is a counter point, if he is so close to Alice Palmer, then why did she campaign for Hillary?"

He isn't close to her. She introduced him to politics at the state level, basically offering her state senate seat since she had decided to run for Congress. But she lost and wanted her old seat back. He campaigned against her and with legal help had enough of her votes invalidated to win. Result:She endorsed Hillary. Who wouldn't? Try doing a little research beyond the LA Times.

"BTW no one has brought up the fact that goooood old McBush was born in Panama have they! Dare it McBush is not even an American! LOL"

Glad you brought that one up.

"A lifelong Democrat who has held political office and been a committeeman, Philip Berg, has brought suit over the real questions raised by the absence of a valid Obama birth certificate. His narrative of the various questions Obama has refused to answer is devastating. Graphics and sound are well-deployed to avoid tedium as factual data is conveyed in a way that allows viewers to absorb it. When he contrasts Obama's behavior when challenged (use perfectly valid legal technicalities to delay) with John McCain's full disclosure of all documentary evidence under a similar challenge (remember the flap over his birth in the Panama Canal Zone? -- who raised those questions, anyway?), there is no doubt in a viewer's mind that there is something seriously wrong here."

McCain has proven that he meets the Constitution's requirements for POTUS.

Obama has not, though he has accepted over 400 million dollars from American Democrats.

Why won't he provide his legal birth cert and things like university admissions records and transcripts?

Judge for yourself. The same video makers who brought the Rev Wright videos to the public's awareness

Obama October surprise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfIV1ntYggc&feature=related
JoeBigs at 02:19 PM JST - 13th October

coulrophobic at 01:51 PM JST - 13th October Obama has not, though he has accepted over 400 million dollars from American Democrats.

Darn it JoeBigs if only you had some facts, like maybe a copy of Obama`s Hawaiian birth certificate!

Oh well I do have a copy....... coulrophobic please use the link and wammo Barack Obama` U.S. Birth Certificate for your eyes to look at. Guess what, he is an American, born on American soil! Can you believe that?LOL

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg

I thnk your YouTube source is not as good as my source!LOL
coulrophobic at 02:34 PM JST - 13th October

The same pic of Obama's birth was in the video, along with an explanation of why it is bogus.

Where is the LA Times explanation of why the Obama campaign has filed a motion to dismiss the Berg lawsuit instead of easily proving he is eligible to be POTUS?

McCain settled doubts about his eligibility by producing the vault version of his birth cert.

Why won't Obama do the same?

What better way to prove, in these times of financial insecurity, that the Democrats are serious about protecting you? Obama took 425 million dollars in donations.

No small sum.

Even if I were a Democrat I would have some serious concerns.
JoeBigs at 02:42 PM JST - 13th October

Please tell me that you are not using Philip J Berg as your source on all this?

Philip J Berg, this lawyer is a nut case from way back. He is a rabid Hillary supporter and hates Bush more than anything.

This guy is too funny, no one takes this guy serious. LOL

Berg is your source, oh my god!!!!LOL

My eyes are watering up with all the laughter!!!!LOL Oh please this is as good as when McBush picked Palin!!!!! RMAOLOF!!!

I am done talking to you on this subject....I thought you really had something....Sorry.....!LOL
coulrophobic at 04:13 PM JST - 13th October

"Philip J Berg, this lawyer is a nut case from way back. He is a rabid Hillary supporter and hates Bush more than anything."

Which only means he is like a lot of the Democrats in America...

McCain settled all doubts about his eligibility by producing the longer, more detailed vault version of his birth cert.

Why won't Obama do the same?
SezWho2 at 07:15 AM JST - 14th October

coulrophobic,

Once more we need to know what dictionary you are using. If you mean that Obama has worked with ACORN in the past, that he has assisted it and it has assisted him, then under that definition they are in league.

However, if you are suggesting that Obama is tied to ACORN in the sense that he is obliged to it and it to him or that he and ACORN are engaged in some illegal or nefarious activity, then, no, he is not in league with ACORN.