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Sarge
"Obama on Tuesday was promoting his economic credentials"
He should first acquire some economic credentials.
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tclh
Oh poor old John McCain, he is talking to deaf ears.He should now concentrate on how to live to 100 plus...lots of vegetables ,morning walk, exercise regularly etc. Who know if he live long enough his turn may came.
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SuperLib
I think it was McCain's erratic behavior during the initial stages of the financial crisis that hurt his campaign.
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SezWho2
Sarge,
The closest thing that we have ever had to a president with economic credentials has been George W. Bush. His remarkable insouciance about the health of the economy was one contributing factor to the current problem.
Our first president and arguably the greatest was an economic nightmare at least in terms of his personal economy. So was Jefferson. We are not led by economists.
The test of presidents' economic savvy is their ability to find good advisers, listen well, be guided by them but show an ability to make their own decisions. I have no doubt that Obama can do that as well as most--at least as well as his competition.
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soldave
Sarge - the thing is, he probably doesn't need them to win this coming election.
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SushiSake3
But Colin Powell, who served in Vietnam, commanded a battalion of the 101st, was chairman of the Joint Chiefs, national security adviser and secretary of state, cleary stated he believes john mccain is not the best man to lead America.
About Barack Obama, he said: "he [Obama] has both style and substance--he has met the standard of being a successful president, being an exceptional president. I think he is a transformational figure. He is a new generation coming into the world--onto the world stage, onto the American stage, and for that reason I'll be voting for Senator Barack Obama."
Oh, and Sarah Palin has just apologized for any misunderstanding caused when she referred last week to the patriotic values of "the real America" and "pro-America areas of this great nation."
Oh, and this latest news - Alaska – Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports to specify that they were on official business.
More: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/aponelpr/palinfamilytravel;ylt=An7JnaAt24Wai5EeFCnrNFtsnwcF
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SushiSake3
Ken Adelman is a lifelong conservative Republican. Campaigned for Goldwater, was hired by Rumsfeld at the Office of Economic Opportunity under Nixon, was assistant to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld under Ford, served as Reagan’s director of arms control, and joined the Defense Policy Board for Rumsfeld’s second go-round at the Pentagon, in 2001. Adelman’s friendship with Rumsfeld, Cheney, and their wives goes back to the sixties, and he introduced Cheney to Paul Wolfowitz at a Washington brunch the day Reagan was sworn in.
Ken has never supported a Democrat for President in his life. Two weeks from now that’s going to change: Ken Adelman intends to vote for Barack Obama.
Primarily for two reasons, those of temperament and of judgment.
When the economic crisis broke, I found John McCain bouncing all over the place. In those first few crisis days, he was impetuous, inconsistent, and imprudent; ending up just plain weird. Having worked with Ronald Reagan for seven years, and been with him in his critical three summits with Gorbachev, I’ve concluded that that’s no way a president can act under pressure.
Second is judgment. The most important decision John McCain made in his long campaign was deciding on a running mate.
**That decision showed appalling lack of judgment. Not only is Sarah Palin not close to being acceptable in high office—I would not have hired her for even a mid-level post in the arms-control agency. **But that selection contradicted McCain’s main two, and best two, themes for his campaign—Country First, and experience counts. Neither can he credibly claim, post-Palin pick.
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Badsey
reality: the 700 Billion (about 100B so far) has done little. The Billions that the Gov has loaned to banks for loans is being hoarded by the banks.
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cow76
McCain clearly best in a crisis. Unless it involves email.
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coulrophobic
"McCain questions Obama's readiness in a crisis"
So does his running mate Biden.
Apparently, being telegenic and close friends with Oprah isn't enough to deter the nutters in Iran or Syria.
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thepro
I question Palin's readiness in any situation
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coulrophobic
Hillary supporters are saying it sounds like Biden was talking about re-instating a draft when he spoke in Seattle the other day and said Obama will be tested within his first six months by foreign powers inimical to the US:
Biden said: " . . .we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=37414
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timorborder
Dead man walking (in a political sense). Unfortunately for McCain, America is in love with Barack Obama and none of McCain's messages/ideas are getting traction in the media. Obama has won the election, end of story.
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adaydream
John McCain knows how to end wars.
John McCain knows how to fix the economy.
John McCain knows how to save money.
These are all admireable atributes.
Tell John McCain to put together some ideas and submit them after the election. Barack will get to them someday. heh..heh...heh. < :-)
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Noripinhead
I think John McCain would look good in a crisis, as long as he doesn't put his pinky in the corner of his mouth. Swing sixties, here I come baby!
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adaydream
TJrandom - Nah, there are a lot of people who would be out of work if they did. And with jobs being lost the way they are, we need to keep all our citizens at work. < :-)
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Lieutenant
McCain should first acquire some economic credentials.
Sorry, just my usual copy and paste retort.
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smithinjapan
McCain can even ready himself for a calm debate, how is HE going to handle crisis? We know how he handled things in Viet Nam -- he sang like a canary while many of his friends in arms endured and even died under torture. McCain blows a gasket when people question him or his authority; how can he be expected to react when other nations challenge the US (and I don't mean necessarily to a fight... I mean in any way whatsoever?)?
Bottom line: McCain is not the person for the job, nor is his side-kick Palin. Obama is the better choice, and EVERYONE knows it.
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unscrejects
Come onnnnn John.... This guy can't be at the scene of every major military scare or mishap since he graduated from the Naval Academy. His nick name should be "Wuz'there".
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Altria
Just in: Al-Qaeda supports McCain apparently, because he would lead the US to further military and financial ruin by continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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filda
isn't mccain the guy who admitted that economics is not his strongest suit?
and the rolling stone profile (16.x.08) on him did not buff up his image any either.
makes him sound like w on steroid rather than nose candy! and it really puts a big question mark on how mccain would handle a crisis or whether he'd just bail himself out of trouble as he did on the forrestal or break but tough it out as he did in hanoi.
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skipthesong
I wonder if it really counts on how well ready a president is in times of crises. I think more emphasis should be on his administration, the people he chooses to run the offices. As we all know, if Colon Powell would have run in 96, it is said he would have led Clinton by at least ten points. Putting Powell back in office in the Obama (or even McCain if that was to happen) would prove worthwhile.
So, I think McCain's point on readiness is moot.
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Nessie
...Like when they cancelled Matlock.
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tclh
AQ supports John McCain? how come?
AQ wants to destroy America.
According to popular belief ,Obama will go straight for OBL 's head ,no mucking around, and he will make America stronger then how on earth AQ does not oppose Obama?
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tkoind2
Obama has handled himself very well in the debates and through a pretty dirty campaign. McCain and Palin on the other hand look like a pair composed of a rabid country nut case and a feeble geriatric with a concentration and temper problem.
We have heard McCain throw a lot of critcism around. But we are still waiting to see him offer up some tangible and viable solutions to our problems.
Maybe he can ask Obama for some help. Since Obama has a lot of very good answers.
Then again maybe he can just retire and take his pitbull with him. his loss is inevitable anyway.
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SimondB
Love this bit:
McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov Sarah Palin, also referred to Biden’s comments and said Tuesday that Obama’s own foreign policy proposals would spark the crises that would test him as president.
And of course, should a president mcain leave this mortal coil palin would be well equpped to handle any problem the world could throw at her.
Right.
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Lieutenant
She sure did. When asked how Obama could possibly represent any kind of shift to socialism, she refrained from answering the question, but did say that McCain was better! And he's a reformer! And he's got the scars to prove it!
Excuse me, I have to organise my flight back to Alaska early November.
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Farmboy
So let me get this staight...McCain is not questioning whether Obama can handle any of the crises we are in the midst of, he's worried about a crisis that hasn't happened yet that Biden felt might happen, and whether Obama can meet it.
Without saying anything too negative, I must observe that this is an unusual campaign tactic.
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tkoind2
Unusual=Futile
McCain's campaign is dying. Sadly it is flopping about wildly in the process. Shameful!
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timorborder
Dirty campaign? For all the whining, I think the campaign this time around has been pretty good. Both McCain and Obama have been quick to put an end to anything out of order. Sure there has been sniping at the edges, however, there has been no push-polling ala Karl Rove (on John McCain back in 2000 regarding the fathering of mix-raced babies), and there has been no swift boating by either candidate (ala the GOP vs. John Kerry in 2004). Point in fact, the "He's a muslim argument" was put to bed by John McCain when the old dear got up in the Mid West.
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Sarge
smith - "McCain can even ready himself for a calm debate"
There ya go!
Lieutenant - "McCain should first acquire some economic credentials"
McCain was a senator when Obama was still in school.
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Lieutenant
No, Obama was a senator when McCain was still in school.
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tclh
Sorry, what I really want to say is that maybe AQ is trying to play reverse psychology game with American voters to ensure Obama's 100% chance of victory.They may think that Obama will isolate and ruin America in the long run and McCain is really dangerous to them.
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DXXJP
Sweet take of this on the New yorker
Primarily for two reasons, those of temperament and of judgment.
When the economic crisis broke, I found John McCain bouncing all over the place. In those first few crisis days, he was impetuous, inconsistent, and imprudent; ending up just plain weird. Having worked with Ronald Reagan for seven years, and been with him in his critical three summits with Gorbachev, I’ve concluded that that’s no way a president can act under pressure.
Second is judgment. The most important decision John McCain made in his long campaign was deciding on a running mate.
That decision showed appalling lack of judgment.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2008/10/not-quite-colin.html
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goodDonkey
sarge said
When McCain began his career in Congress he had never went to law school which would certainly have helped him because he was in fact being paid to draft or enact legislation. Obama was far more qualified at being a legislator initially than McCain who's experience included being an advocate of the navy to the senate.
Now you want to question his political capabilities just because he learned how to advance quickly in the system that most people are willing to admit was disadvantageous to a black man. He initially did not have any support within the black community. In fact I saw a special on PBS that it is very poor etiquette to try to enter the Chicago political scene without having been "sent" by someone. His political savvy to rise in a relatively short time is a testament to overcoming crises.
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coulrophobic
"Now you want to question his political capabilities just because he learned how to advance quickly in the system that most people are willing to admit was disadvantageous to a black man. "
Cue the violins...
" In fact I saw a special on PBS that it is very poor etiquette to try to enter the Chicago political scene without having been "sent" by someone."
Frank Marshall Davis ring any bells?
He is in Obama's (probably ghostwritten) memoirs. He was a father figure and mentor to Obama in Hawaii. Originally from Chicago. Lifelong communist. That's all Obama had to say to failed terrorists like Ayers or sentimental old commies like Alice Palmer.
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goodDonkey
coulrophobic
I was there. I was there when he lost to Bobby Rush. You don't care anything about the truth so this is one of the few responses I care to make.
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coulrophobic
"I was there. I was there when he lost to Bobby Rush. You don't care anything about the truth so this is one of the few responses I care to make."
Go on, refute me:
Alice Palmer was a communist. Frank Marshall Davis is 'Frank' in Obama's book. He was a communist. Obama was once a member of the New Party (communist). Obama's mother and biological father were socialists.Even in recent interviews Ayers has described himself as a 'small c' communist.
It's not a 'neo-McCarthy thing' with those of us who bring this up.
Ex-commie David Horowitz put it best:Communism is the philosophy of losers.
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tclh
In the VN war, American media LOVED VC so much that VC won in the end. In this election, American media also for some mysterious reasons worships Obama so much that McCain campaign has been hammering down mercilessly to the degree that it has no chance to win.
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smithinjapan
sarge: "smith - "McCain can even ready himself for a calm debate" There ya go!"
Even with my obviously untimely typo it still makes it sound as if it is a real fete for McCain to do so. Hell, you sound surprised yourself.
It should have read, "McCain CAN'T even ready himself for a calm debate", and now it has been remedied to reflect the truth. Thanks for pointing that out, sarge.
coulrophobic: define 'communist' and 'socialism', and not just with a 'what McCain says it is', or, 'what Obama wants' kind of reply to prove you have no idea of your own. And don't just pull out an Oxford (or the poorer Webster's for that matter) and type in the definition, either.
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smithinjapan
tclh: "Sorry, what I really want to say is that maybe AQ is trying to play reverse psychology game with American voters to ensure Obama's 100% chance of victory.They may think that Obama will isolate and ruin America in the long run and McCain is really dangerous to them."
Or maybe you're just so scared that you'll buy into anyone who fills your head with this crap.
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Everton2
This notion of being ready to be President is just patently stupid. How can any one be completely ready for a job that will involved responding to a world which is so fluid.
A better test for the Presidency should be about academic achievement, an ability to learn quickly, to approach challenges with calm and clarity underpinned by good advice; And more importantly, a good understanding of America's social and political culture. There, that does not sound like John McCain does it!
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yabits
Readers will note that the New Party was never communist. And it is pleasing to see so many Americans rejecting lies like the above this year, even though it hasn't done much to dissuade the liars from continuing to spout them in the first place.
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yabits
Everton2 writes: "This notion of being ready to be President is just patently stupid."
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. was famously attributed as saying of FDR to have "a second-class intellect and a first-class temperment." No less a conservative than Charles Krauthammer has observed that Obama possesses a first-class intellect and a first-class temperment.
McCain's judgments of Obama fall back into a realm of judgments coming from a mind which is second-rate (at best) in all aspects.
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SezWho2
coulrophobic,
You have a lot of of unsupported assertions going there. The refutation for each of them is the same:
Not necessarily true. No evidence given.
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presto345
Neither candidate will be ready in case of a crisis. What crisis is a crisis anyway? A monetary crisis, a military crisis, a natural disaster crisis? A food crisis, an energy crisis? History, even recent history, shows no administration ever was ready. Let's cut the crap and show something the electorate can believe in.
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ANOTSUSAGAMI
So Obama has communist friends, so what? My best friend in the world, someone I trust completely, is a Republican. In fact, quite a few of my friends are Repubs. We respect each other's views and debate often. BTW, I'm definitely NOT Republican. Obama's friends, aquaintences, what have you don't reflect who he is. Coulrophobic, are you implying that you wouldn't be friends with someone simply because their political veiws don't align with yours? Sounds intolerant to me.
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YangYong
McCain said. “I’ve been tested, my friends.” That's a positive. (Get it?) He did.
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coulrophobic
"Readers will note that the New Party was never communist."
Your're right, I wrote communist. They were socialist. Explain to the Dems here why they should be, uh, reassured by the diff.
Alice Palmer was identified by US authorities, like Obama's mentor and friend Frank Marshall Davis, as a communist.
"Problems Facing Our Socialism" , an article from an old copy of the East Africa journal for you to read and enjoy, written by Obama's biological father:
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM41_eastafrica.html
There's lots more at the link below:
"The Honolulu Record was founded and edited from 1948-58 by Koji Ariyoshi a Smith Act defendant and Communist Party member who worked with Mao Zedong in China during WW2. It was financed by payments from all Hawaii ILWU locals.The Record played an integral role in the transformation of organized labor into political power resulting in the Democrats' takeover of the Hawaii territorial legislature."
"Two years after the Record folded, the Dunhams [Obama's mother's family ] arrived in Honolulu. They quickly became friends with Frank Marshall Davis. Stanley Ann Dunham met Barack Obama Sr in a Russian language class at the University of Hawai`i."
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/what_barack_obama_learned_from.html
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SezWho2
coulrophobic,
Just when I feared that the John Birch Society was dead and buried, along comes someone to find communists in the punkin patch. Someone better rush and tell Linus that his soul is in mortal peril as it's not The Great Pumpkin that'll be appearing.
I didn't realize that Frank Marshall Davis was a US authority. Wait. You mean "Alice Palmer--as was Frank Marshall Davis--was identified...." Don't you? It's difficult enough to dispel error without having to do battle with syntax too.
Palmer was a Democrat. As was Davis, she may have been investigated by US authorities for communist connections. At the end of the tawdry affair all that was ever accomplished was to associate them with communism. Very nice. If we can put a brand on someone we never have to think about what they're actually saying.
The Honolulu Record was identified as a communist front organization, I believe. I think there is good reason for that. However, when you go on witch hunts you usually find more witches than there actually are. That a communist front organization supports your activities or that you place an article in a communist newspaper no more makes you a communist than "reaching across the aisle" makes you a Democrat.
Let us know when the American Thinker actually does some thinking instead of just reprocessing old memes into highly seasoned intellectual sausage.
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Badsey
Neo-Coms, LDP, Obama-Mamas, MuslimComs, NeoClassicStalinists -it's really all of the same.
We are entering the new era of socialism. -better start stuffing those mattresses before your money is worthless.
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coulrophobic
People are starting to say Biden is a Rove plant. I've never been one for conspiracy but it did get me thinking...
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Simon_Foston
Coulrophobic,
All this stuff about Obama and the socialist inclinations of the people he's associated with?
No one cares.
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coulrophobic
"All this stuff about Obama and the socialist inclinations of the people he's associated with? No one cares."
I don't write to change minds;nor do I find that anyone here will change mine.
I just want to be on record with certain facts about the man when you lot start whining (around March 09 or so) that Obama is not who you thought he was.
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Good_Jorb
Why all the worry about Obama turn the US into a Socialist state? Obama or McCain will inherit an already socializing country(a la Bush and the nationalization of the Capital market), the corporate welfare cheques are not going to stop flowing anytime soon. The question is how does one say "predicted he was bound to face [a crisis] early in his presidency." When it is evident that who wins inherits the economic crisis.
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SushiSake3
I've even heard scurrilous rumors that Palin has been planted by the Republican Elite to destroy any chance McCain ever had in this election and to prime her for 2012.
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smithinjapan
Badsey/coulrophobia: I notice neither of you could answer my challenge to define either communism or socialism (or better yet, both). You guys have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt you have absolutely no clue what either means... so what are you afraid of? NOTHING! You're TOLD to be afraid of those words, and you buy into that fear hook, line, and sinker. You're told that there's a link between more evenly dispersed health care and a 'socialist' government simply because the former is a social program and... gosh darnit' don't the two words sound alike!?
The funniest is watching how morons try to use this language to describe basically anything they dislike or that does not necessarily coincide with their extremely bias viewpoints in an attempt to garner sympathy for their plight. The funniest of said funniest is watching McCain/Palin and friends scramble...
What was it McCain's brother said about Virginia and those areas leaning towards Obama? Something like, "Those aren't the REAL parts of Virginia, those are 'communist' territory!" He later tried to retract it as what he called 'a joke', but it's the same kind of crap you've heard spill out of the mouth of Palin herself with things like, "I appeal to the REAL Americans and patriots", etc., and which Obama rightly corrected her with, "They seem to think only SOME of you are patriots and real Americans, but I say you all are".
In other words, again, you have people simply calling things they don't like or that don't agree with them as 'socialist' and/or 'communist'. Next you'll be hearing coulrophobia muttering: "I didn't like the popcorn I ate yesterday... it must have been SOCIALIST!"
Hahaha... keep us all laughing, guys. Obama's got this one in the bag, and even McCain's last bastions are moving towards Obama.
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adaydream
Joe McCain is an idiot, too. < :-)
http://www.salon.com/politics/warroom/2008/10/05/joemccain/
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smithinjapan
I guess what the righties on here really want is less money dispersed to those who actually need it and more going out to cover Palin's kids' unnecessary flights and 5-star hotel accommodations when she can't go somewhere by herself or just wants all you tax payers to front her leisure as well as what little duties she had (and abused) on said trips.
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Nessie
The only thing socialistic about Obama is that he's going to be nationalized this January at a presidential inauguration.
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smithinjapan
"Joe McCain is an idiot, too. < :-)"
Clearly it runs in the family -- amongst the children at least... errr... if you can call geriatrics 'children'.
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tclh
How does Socialist Republic America sound like? Media will be tightly regulated under this name too ,not only bank. Taniwha was right.
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Wolfpack
It's hillarious that the title of this article states, 'McCain questions Obama's readiness in a crisis'. His own VP questioned Obama's readiness - not McCain. Typical of the media these days...
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bushlover
I can't wait for the US election to be over so all those pumped up on JT can either cry foul or gloat in victory. I can't wait to laugh at all the excuses that will follow no matter what the outcome.
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Betzee
It's a good question and when applied to McCain it's obvious he failed miserably on that score. He didn't even support his own immigration reform legislation (which bore his name) when it came up for a vote owing to the Republican base's opposition. He similarly backed away from his opposition to torture.
The problem is his campaign has opted for tactical victories, such as taking down Obama a peg by comparing him to a celebrity, and failed to create a grand narrative as to why we should elect John McCain. In this regard veteran film director Barry Levinson observed:
[M]y suspicion is, no Hollywood producer is involved in the McCain presidential run. I say this for a simple reason, it's badly orchestrated, lacks a narrative, and when they come across a good story idea they bungle it. An example: When McCain left the campaign trail to return to Washington to help solve the financial crisis it blew up in his face. It made him seem erratic, ineffectual, and worse of all, not true to his words. There's an old Hollywood axiom that says, "Don't put the leading man in a scene that makes him look bad."
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coulrophobic
Biden is now less accessible to the media (and Joe the Plumber types) than Palin ever has been.
Odd for a ticket that supposedly has it wrapped up.
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Altria
He's just biden' his time...
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Sarge
The latest AP poll has Obama leading McCain by just ONE point, 44% to 43%. How can this be???? Is AP asking only Republican warmongers?
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Lieutenant
Live the dream Sarge. There's always the end-of-year jumbo just around the corner too.
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SezWho2
Wolfpack,
I think you have a misleading statement going there. I think you mean to say that when he was not Obama's VP pick, Biden questioned Obama's readiness. I don't think you can show any instance in which Biden has done so as Obama's VP choice.
I believe that the record shows that Biden questioned Obama's qualifications at a time when many of the Democratic candidates were doing so. Hillary did as well, I believe. That's an obvious play against someone who is relatively new to national government.
The trouble is that the Democrats pretty much wore that issue out. Obama prevailed. The baseless charge didn't stick then and it's not going to stick now.
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coulrophobic
"The trouble is that the Democrats pretty much wore that issue out. Obama prevailed. The baseless charge didn't stick then and it's not going to stick now."
After Jan 21 it will be all too apparent that Obama lacks qualifications to be president and C in C. Even VP Biden concedes as much.
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Betzee
Given you predicted McCain would be 20 points ahead by the end of September I'm not sure what your predictions are worth. But I will concede I had my doubts when McCain selected Palin and pulled 10 points ahead in a post-convention bounce that offered the prospect of momentum. Who can forget how obnoxious McCain supporters were on this site and how Obama backers everywhere felt all might be lost if he didn't hit back hard in the wake of "the celebrity" commercial? But he never did.
Perhaps he knew the McCain strategy was about dominating the news cycle and using that to coast to victory. The Palin pick and then his abrupt annoucement he was returning to Washington for the bail-out crisis were gambits intended to accomplish this.
Obama's unflappable nature in the face of unforeseen events may indeed serve him well as president. It reflects a refusal to be stampeded by breathless commentary and the advice of pundits to live only in the media moment.
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Helter_Skelter
I wish he were as unflappable on the issues.
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coulrophobic
"Given you predicted McCain would be 20 points ahead by the end of September I'm not sure what your predictions are worth."
I don't recall predicting McCain would be up by 20. I don't put much faith in polls.
"Obama's unflappable nature in the face of unforeseen events may indeed serve him well as president."
We know too little of Obama to describe him as "unflappable".
Better you go with something like 'Obama's handlers were able to reframe their candidate's indifference to the economic meltdown as poise' or 'Senator Obama calculated that if he could conceal his glee over the F Mae and F Mac debacle he knew he would win from the openly partisan press unmerited praise like being called "unflappable." '
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Sarge
Obama: We must be clear about who John McCain's fighting for. He's not fighting for Joe the Plumber. He's fighting for Joe the Hedge Fund Manager."
The opposite of that would be true.
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Good_Jorb
The opposite of that would be true.
Half of it would be true, both Obama and McCain signed off on the world's biggest welfare cheque. Either Obama or McCain will have to continue on with Bush's nationalizing of the banks and the bailing out of Joe the Hedge Fund manager.
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SezWho2
coulrophobic,
Setting aside that a prediction is not a rebuttal, where does Biden "concede" that Obama lacks qualifications? Have a little respect for facts. Don't just make stuff up.
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