McCain says Obama wants to forfeit war in Iraq

Friday 08th August, 06:30 AM JST

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imagawa at 11:01 PM JST - 8th August

Sorry

Who wins will make a difference,

Sorry, I'm just having a bad day today, I got my keyboard working & now3 I can't use it.
zurcronium at 11:06 PM JST - 8th August

sailwind,

glad you finally admit what the liberals on this board said before the invasion of Iraq, its simply blood for oil. And McCain the Songbird simply wants to continue the old and failed policies of the bush administration.
Sarge at 11:07 PM JST - 8th August

imagawa - "McCain, he is far too old, he belongs to the wrong generation"

Holy moly, this thread is really going downhill with posts like this...
Sarge at 11:11 PM JST - 8th August

"failed policies of the ( Bush ) administration"

Lessee... two countries liberated... the dictator of Iraq brought to justice... free elections held in Iraq... the security situation in Iraq improving so much, the Iraqi leadership is so confident, they want all the foreign troops out in a year and a half...

Yes, failed policies indeed! Jordan fades back...
sailwind at 11:12 PM JST - 8th August

sailwind,

glad you finally admit what the liberals on this board said before the invasion of Iraq, its simply blood for oil. And McCain the Songbird simply wants to continue the old and failed policies of the bush administration.

So was the first Gulf war to liberate Kuwait after Saddam invaded that country. You where agaisn't that one also after all it's all about oil.
sailwind at 11:28 PM JST - 8th August

There is a large amount of truth to what you wrote, but it really doesn’t change what I wrote. What happens in the US over the coming months is all our businesses. Won win will make a difference, even if we are not American & cannot vote. And maybe you can feel the trace of bitterness there, we can’t vote, but can & very often do pay the price for who runs your country.

Can't really expand on that. The U.S is the number one country and the decisions she makes does effect the rest of the world for good or ill. That is reality, what we have to ask ourselves is simple. Flawed as she is America is still the land where no matter where you come from or adveristy you face you can still grow up one day and maybe even be President. Obama, who would have thought right now this man might very well be elected to the highest office in the land ......That is really what America is all about in my opinion.
imagawa at 11:32 PM JST - 8th August

How many have died in these two countrie this last week Sarge? Sorry but if you don't watch the news every day it's easy to lose count.

One other point, when was it that this war was won?

"failed policies indeed!" That's about how most people see it too.
LIBERTAS at 11:50 PM JST - 8th August

Sarge "Failed policies of the ( Bush ) administration," glad you brought that up. Lessee... two countries decimated... the dictator of Iraq brought to lynching... puppetmastered elections held in Iraq... the security situation in Iraq awaiting Al Sadr's wrath, the Iraqi leadership is so spineless, they want all the foreign troops out in a year and a half...cos al Sadr said so. Yes, failed policies indeed! Well said! You're well on the way to getting that job at FOX News you always wanted. Inventing your own truths.
SushiSake3 at 11:59 PM JST - 8th August

Sarge - "Lessee... two countries liberated... "

LMAO!!!! almost falling off my seat .... ha ha ha!!

Sarge has been repeating this mantra to himself for so many years now he has actually - successfully - convinced himself that it is true.

Well done, Sarge, you rock! :-)

Just be sure you pick up the pieces after you, and there's a lot of them!
zurcronium at 12:05 AM JST - 9th August

Sailwind, yes I did not support the first bush invasion although I admit it was run by adults that time, not the juvenile delinquints under Scrub five years ago. Kuwait was stealing Iraqi oil with US technology. In the end the Gulf War which was sold to the US public to bring democracy to Kuwait, of course did not. I dont care which corrupt government sells oil to the US, in the end no matter who is running the country they have to sell the oil. The invasions are useless and in the case of Iraq a total disaster.
SezWho2 at 08:04 AM JST - 9th August

Sarge,

Obama is not talking about an orderly withdrawal from Iraq no matter what the situation is. I would be in favor of that even if he were, but he is not. He is talking about ending an occupation (that both Iraqis and Americans want to end) and allowing the Iraqis to take over their own police work (as Iraqis say is possible and as American forces increasingly agree).

Obama has said time and again that any actual withdrawal will depend upon commanders' assessments of conditions on the ground. The difference between Obama and McCain is that McCain clings to the notion that there is something further that we can win in Iraq. Obama seems to me to more realistically realize that there is not.
SezWho2 at 08:29 AM JST - 9th August

sailwind,

The notion--contrary to fact unless limited to certain measures such as military power, wealth, etc.--that the US is the number one country is precisely the notion that empowers us to interfere whenever and wherever we like. The US has many fine features, but humility is not one. Both the US and Rome are/were geo-political powers where almost anyone can/could become leader (Arnie can't; Pertinax did) but this does not inform us about the greatness of the society.

When we compare Obama and McCain with respect to Iraq, it is not just Iraq and America that are affected. The entire world is affected just as was the much smaller entire world of the Romans in the leader's decisions as to when and how to prosecute foreign wars. Ultimately, as in the case of Rome, the entire world does get to vote. It is very much in America's interests to make sure that the vote is favorable.
Sarge at 12:42 PM JST - 9th August

Sez - "Obama has said time and again that any actual withdrawal will depend upon commanders' assessments of conditions on the ground"

Then the 16 months from the time he takes office promise is thrown under the bus?
Then his Iraq policy is no different from McCain's.
SezWho2 at 08:58 PM JST - 10th August

Sarge,

Everyone seems to enjoy throwing things under Obama's bus. I don't understand what you are trying to say here. 16 months from January, 2009, coincides fairly well with the timetable al-Maliki wants.

His policy is different than McCain in that he is giving a date. He is suggesting a time frame. McCain also suggests a time frame, 2013 I believe, but that sounds more like "by the end of my presidency". And McCain is content with a longer occupation.

McCain is obsessed with "winning" and is not willing to consider the possibility that we've already "won" as much as we're ever going to win.
Blackbone at 02:05 PM JST - 13th August

Barrak Obama is a never-done-anything, never-will-do-nothing, no-experienced puppet of the Democrat party. Fortunately our constitution is strong enough to handle idiots like him. McCain is a RINO Republican, but he does love the country, and is the better choice. How can any liberal vote for a party that hates the country and wants to hand its control over to the liberal courts of Europe? I feel sad for you ignorant liberals that actually enjoy being called liberal, because by the posts I've seen on this forum, you are filled with hate and and anger at anyone that is not as liberal as you, and that is called arrogance and bigotry.