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    adaydream

    Republicans will stay quiet for only so long. Sooner or later they'll lash out and then they will start taking sides. McCain's days are numbered. < :-)

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    zurcronium

    Now that their presidential hopeful is calling bush a total failure and his administration a horrifying trainwreck what will the deadenders on this board do? Defend the old or jump on board with the ancient new guy?

    mccain hates bush as he should.

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    smithinjapan

    Zurc: "Now that their presidential hopeful is calling bush a total failure and his administration a horrifying trainwreck what will the deadenders on this board do? Defend the old or jump on board with the ancient new guy?"

    I asked sarge the same question yesterday and it made his head explode. He did finally answer it, though, he said, "I support Bush, and I support McCain". When I pointed out that you really can't support both, since the latter is against the former, he disappeared. All that you're really going to see is the die-hard bush supporters probably towing McCain's line; we've been saying all along how much of a disaster bush is in contrast to their support of him, but they won't acknowledge that; they'll say 'we were against him all along' or some such crap.

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    Taka313

    “Change is coming, change is coming,” McCain promised, projecting an image of independence and political populism.

    At least 10% of the time. The other 90% will look like bush.

    Taka

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    SushiSake3

    "One of his challenges is to separate himself from the unpopular incumbent in the White House and fight against Obama’s charge that a McCain presidency would amount to a third term for Bush."

    That's going to be quite difficult. McCain, as we all know, is just George Bush with a different name, worse temper but the same destructive policies.

    Despite having voted with Bush on 90% of bills, he claims he is a "maverick".

    And McCain is now deceiving Americans yet again by promoting himself as this new 'change agent' beast and thinking voters will buy it when they know he is a Washington Insider Elitist.

    John McCain - the right man in the right place at the wrong time.

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    SushiSake3

    smithinJapan - "I asked sarge the same question yesterday and it made his head explode. He did finally answer it, though, he said, "I support Bush, and I support McCain". When I pointed out that you really can't support both, since the latter is against the former, he disappeared."

    LOL - that's hilarious!!

    The Americ-Hating Right is now realizing what a mess of a predicament they are in.

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    SushiSake3

    I find it hilarious that the Republican Party 2008 has been reduced to a bunch of people who have no idea what is best for America supporting a candidate they never wanted who supports policies America doesn't need.

    It's clearly tying Republican supporters heads up in knots! :-)

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    SushiSake3

    “Change is coming, change is coming,” McCain promised, projecting an image of independence and political populism.

    Great! Sen. McCain is now supporting Obama?

    That's awesome! :-)

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    CavemanLawyer

    Republicans will stay quiet for only so long. Sooner or later they'll lash out and then they will start taking sides.

    I disagree. I think most Republicans are too loyal and too (unnecessarily) afraid of Obama to vote for anyone else. They are trapped. They will not abandon ship, and they cannot tell the difference between loyalty and foolishness. They dub it all loyalty, and pat themselves on the back. Even though Sarge was called out, I guarantee he will still vote for McCain.

    On the other hand, McCain can gain from the other side by jabbing at Bush, much the same as was claimed in the book "The case against Obama" that Obama gained the respect of the right by jabbing Sen. Clinton during the primaries.

    But I find Democrats are the ones who waver because they are more likely to vote principle. Republicans are more likely to vote party. Smart move. McCain is pulling out the big guns for the final stretch. I urge Democrats not to waver this year. Stick with Obama. The Republican politicians need to feel the heat more than just losing Congress. Let the Republicans vote as they always do. The loyal-no-matter-what crowd needs a lesson.

    --Cirroc

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    Nippon5

    Remember that All of congress voted or didnt override a veto on all those bills spending and laws.. Anyone who served in goverment is going to lie cheat and steal in order to stay in the job that gets them free money and favors.. Bush is an idiot, McCain is too, but Obama is just as bad... Get 537 people who dont have a lobbist or a company holding their hand and maybe goverment will be for the people and not for the profit of companies and intrest groups. I laugh when people say Bush is the root of evil, Obama is the root of Evil.. They are all just cookies cut from the same cutter cutter and dough.

    Hell Ross Perot was a better then all them.... Or snoopy, or hell anyone who isnt a corupt lying politician...

    But you keep wasting your breath talking about how this one or that one is better.... All the while Americans (which most of you commenting are not) still dont have what they need and wont have no matter who gets elected...

    Politics and people who talk of them as one or the other are just the perfect definition of STUPID

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    Alinsky4prez

    Joe Biden's hairplugs are telling him that abortion is wrong. He needs to be replaced at once. Dennis Kucinish should take his spot.Dayamn, I cant believe the NY TImes actually GAVE him an interview.

    As a Matter of Faith, Biden Says Life Begins at Conception

    By KATE PHILLIPS Published: September 7, 2008 WASHINGTON — Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democratic nominee for vice president, departed Sunday from party doctrine on abortion rights, declaring that as a Catholic, he believes life begins at conception.

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    Xennon

    Ohhhh, what a nifty article we have here.

    Where are all the die hard Republicans now? Someone is talking trash about your hero, Bush! Are you just gonna lie down and take that?

    For shame. /shakehead

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    Damax6

    they will have a counter attack for ANYTHING these Republicans, even if they found out that the baby is really her daughters, or she was "knoocked-up several times before, and had 2 abortions, they would have some lame ass explanation... these religious-righteous freaks...all hypocrites

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    Taka313

    Candidate mccain may talk about change, but he's proving to be a carbon copy of bush.

    Promises change - check

    offering tax breaks to the rich and to corporations (corporate lackey) - check

    taking orders from running mate - check

    often confused when speaking in public - check

    relied heavily on family name to get where he is - check

    And now we can add...railing on the current white house occupant - check!

    Taka

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    Taka313

    sarge, So...who do you worship more, bush or mccain? Or are you still waiting for fox news to tell you how you should think on the matter.

    Taka

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    Sarge

    So, Taka313, who do you worship more, Obama or Biden? Or are you still waiting for moveon.org to tell you how you should think on the matter?

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    ColAmerica

    Sarge- Great posts, a true patriot sir.

    McCain will be very prudent when he is president. Palin also has these attributes.

    We can look forward to a time of great stability and decisive foreign policy. McCain is a patriotic maverick, who will destroy anyone who opposses him. Buy bye Obama, the good guy is going to win.

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    Sarge

    Taka313 - I certainly didn't have to to wait for you to think of something first. I merely used your own words against you.

    Your attempts at making McCain and Palin look bad are pathetic. Get ready for President McCain and Vice President Palin.

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    SushiSake3

    Sarge & ColAmerica, isn't it time you both stepped up to Reality?

    You have both been comprehensively, consistantly and continually wrong on so many issues now, even those dreaded Euro-Types have a better grip of US politics than you guys do :-)

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    USARonin

    Sushi, did your comprehensive Euro-grasp on US politics tell you that McCain is way out in front of Obama right now (USAToday)?

    The horror.

    Owen

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    Taka313

    “We began to value power over principle,” McCain said

    "Bomb bomb bomb - bomb bomb Iran."

    -John S McCain III

    Taka

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    smithinjapan

    USARonin: So he may be ahead... big deal... that will change once he opens his yap and shows his temper tantrums... like pushing women in wheel chairs, etc. And once Palin starts talking about her plans to make the US Jesus-Land... phew... it'll be over for them.

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    Taka313

    “We lost the trust of the American people when some republicans gave in to the temptations of corruption.”

    Like when he hired South Carolinian political advisor tucker eskew, to be a part of his campaign team.

    Taka

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    SuperLib

    Sushi: McCain, as we all know, is just George Bush with a different name

    Seems like a silly thing to say.

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    SushiSake3

    Superlib. Yet again, you make a statement with no counterclaim to the statement you are appearing to refute.

    Please try a little harder to make this debate more exciting and mature.

    Thank you in advance for your cooperation :-)

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    USARonin

    Smith, I'm just sayin' that all along folks like you, Zurchromium, Madverts and a host of others have been sayin' Obama and his hordes of supporters are overwhelmin' the election in their favor.

    How would y'all like your crow cooked?

    'Jesus-land'? What?

    Clive

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    RomeoRamenII

    The liberals are in a panic considering that with obama's 143 days experience in the U.S. Senate, it will probably be biden running the country, and not obama.

    Heh, and how many votes did the dems give good ol' Joe in the primaries?

    RR

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    goodDonkey

    OBAMA

    One House

    One Spouse

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    Nippon5

    Superlib. Yet again, you make a statement with no counterclaim to the statement you are appearing to refute.

    Please try a little harder to make this debate more exciting and mature.

    Thank you in advance for your cooperation :-)

    And when have you or any of the people on here prove anything they say.. When the election is over all the winning sides people will say see my guy won and the losing side will say it was cheating/polling fraud/people not allowed to vote... Just like it has been since the 15th prez.. and in the end we still have just a corporate puppet in the position and nothing changes, which wont matter to all the non Americans on here, but they will still talk about it as their own countries are to screwed up to even waste the energy talking about... Its sad

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    goodDonkey

    I think Obama made a severe tactical error when he was accused of being a Hollywood rock star. He should have said "Sounds like McCain is jealous." He then should have went on to bigger and bigger venues as well as continue to visit small town America. Becoming more and more popular is the object when most voters do not study the issues and understand the impact they actually have on all of us. Now Palin in playing the same role that can be described as the Hollywood Rock Star and she is getting away with it. I predict only on V.P. debate.

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    goodDonkey

    Taka

    You have ruined me! Every since you said how Palin's voice grates on your nerves it is like torture to hear her even for a few seconds.

    "I will tell you anything you want to know just please make her stop!"

    "Make it stop! Make it stop!"

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    USARonin

    Nippon, a number of folks in cyberspace chatrooms have an unhealthy obsession with the US.

    I guess it takes their minds off the problems in their own lands... and their personal responsibility to do something about them.

    I get it.

    USAR

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    SezWho2

    Well, I'm thinking of changing my vote to McCain-Palin. I'm liking McCain because he was tortured by the people he and his buddies bombed, napalmed and strafed. It was really unfair of the North Vietnamese to do that. They should have read him his rights. And I'm liking Palin because she has no moral qualms about McCain doing that.

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    USARonin

    Sez, did you see the piece where one of McCain's North Vietnamese prison guards said he admired the man would vote for him if he could? -Had the nice man's picture, too, if I remember correctly.

    Integrity at its finest.

    USAR

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    USARonin

    Good, do you know why McCain couldn't say off the top of his head why he didn't know how many houses he owns?

    Alzheimers had nothin' to do with it.

    USAR

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    sailwind

    Sez......History lesson I'm sure you forgot about

    Well, I'm thinking of changing my vote to McCain-Palin. I'm liking McCain because he was tortured by the people he and his buddies bombed, napalmed and strafed. It was really unfair of the North Vietnamese to do that. They should have read him his rights. And I'm liking Palin because she has no moral qualms about McCain doing that.

    1995 New York Times

    Proponents of normalization have also been scrambling in recent days to thwart that attack. Two decorated Vietnam veterans -- Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and Senator John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat -- maneuvered today to make it easier for Mr. Clinton to grant recognition by saying they would soon introduce a resolution calling on the President to recognize Vietnam -- a step being pursued by many business groups as well.

    President Clinton lifted the two-decade-old trade embargo against Vietnam last year, after the Senate approved a bill that those two Senators had introduced calling for an end to the embargo.

    "For the sake of America, maybe it's time we ended the war," Mr. McCain, who spent seven years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, said in an interview. "I believe normalization would be an important part of the healing process."

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7DB103AF933A15756C0A963958260

    Your thoughts on John McCain now?

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    adaydream

    I enjoy waking up and seeing desperate republicans posting idiotic posts. Might as well get ready for Barack Obama as your next president.

    barack obama! Barack Obama!! BARACK OBAMA!!! BARACK OBAMA!!!!

    Ahhhhh. < :-)

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    USARonin

    daydream...

    USAToday, a liberal publication, just reported that the polls have McCain unquestionably ahead.

    That, of course, could change, but it seems you need a wake-up call on what's goin' on so you won't appear so out of touch.

    Edmund

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    RomeoRamenII

    obama is carbon copy of john kerry. Seems like the democrat party didn't learn from 2004.

    The final issue then wasn't the swift boats, it was kerry appeared snooty and elitist and his wife was unappealing to the nation.

    obama is the exact same as that. The only "new" part about this ticket is the man is half black.

    Nothing more. Nothing less.

    RR

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    adaydream

    I got this last night. It is amazing that all people who know John McCain personnally don't all think the same way. He's not the darling he wants to persuade you to believe. < :-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLWEDMLmjKk

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    Sarge

    I wonder why the poster Taka313, who claims to be a former U.S. sailor, continually disparages, belittles and dishonors John McCain, a war hero and a good man. I guess it's because the man is a member of the same political party as George W. Bush, and, with his vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, ( who Taka313 also continually disparages, belittles and dishonors ) looks to be in a strong position to beat his hero Barack Obama on Nov. 4.

    goodDonkey ( 10:19 PM ) - Thanks for the insult.

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    adaydream

    Sarge - Just bacause John McCain was a war hero doesn't make him presidential material. There were 100s of POW in camp with John McCain. They were war heros, also. < :-)

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    SushiSake3

    RomeoRamen -

    "obama is the exact same as that. The only "new" part about this ticket is the man is half black. Nothing more. Nothing less."

    Good grief, I knew you were out of touch with the Reality that will hammer you come November, but I didn't know the situation was that bad.

    Mentioning John Kerry's wife - that's rich, low and irrelevant all wrapped in one post that made about the same amount of sense as Sarah Palin's hate-filled speech at the Republican convention.

    Surely you are a better man than that??

    .

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    smithinjapan

    sarge: " I guess it's because the man is a member of the same political party as George W. Bush"

    and yet McCain wishes he weren't, according to the tone of his words. So who are you for, sarge, a McCain who hates bush and wants to change things completely, or are you still for your president, kiddo?

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    DanManjt

    McCain takes on Bush.

    Puh-lease.

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    USARonin

    This is an opinion piece, not a news story.

    I believe the team at JT inadvertantly left off the author's name.

    USAR

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    SushiSake3

    Classic! McCain has had to sink to the depths of trying to appear different from his Master George W. Bush, and now that he has taken on the mantra of change, is trying his darndest to be just like his opponent.

    How wrecked can you get?

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    Sarge

    DanMan - Puh-lease what?

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    Sarge

    goodDonkey - How can the 72 year old "easily confused" McCain, with his "inexperienced" vice presidential pick, be moving up in the polls against the young, well-spoken Obama who would have all U.S. troops out of Iraq within 16 months after he takes office, with his experienced vice presidential pick? I can't understand this...

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    USARonin

    Is Obama's VP pick Biden a Scientologist?

    He may be tryin' to guarantee the Hollywood vote and Oprah's audience.

    Mormons like the Republican's Mitt Romney are more grounded, aren't they?

    USAR

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    SezWho2

    USARonin,

    Yes, I saw that piece. I've been factoring that into my inclination to vote for the hero who signed on to prevent Vietnamese self-determination. It's a shame the guard can't vote for McCain. Nonetheless, we do want to show how much we care about what foreigners think, right?

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    SezWho2

    sailwind,

    What makes you think that I've forgotten about what you refer to as "a history lesson"? There's nothing inconsistent about calling for reconciliation after either inflicting pain or receiving it.

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    USARonin

    Sezwho, yeah that mean McCain.

    People like him are always gettin' in the way of the Communists who were only fosterin' "self-determination" in every hemisphere. -Just like they did in Korea, Cambodia, Hungary...

    The "guard"? Saddam's "Republican Guard"?

    Oh, my.

    Francois

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    Sarge

    Sushi - If you don't believe Obama wants to raise taxes and make government even bigger and more intrusive, I can't help you, except to say read up on past Democrat policy/"accomplishments."

    Heh, I didn't think you could come up with a Palin lie.

    Sarah Palin: "What does he ( Obama) seek to accomplish after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?"

    Good one, Sarah!

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    SezWho2

    USARonin,

    You asked,

    Sez, did you see the piece where one of McCain's North Vietnamese prison guards said he admired the man would vote for him if he could?

    Now you ask,

    The "guard"? Saddam's "Republican Guard"?

    Oh, my.

    Oh, my indeed. Try to keep your story straight or at least remember what you are talking about from one post to another. Communism in Vietnam was never something that needed to be fought. Eisenhower refused the idea of free elections because the people--let me repeat that, the people--would have voted for Ho Chi Minh.

    If you want to consider McCain a hero, that's fine with me. To me, he's a guy who had a tough time but who basically brought it on himself, sailing halfway around the world to defend a puppet government against determined nationalists. This does not give him the credentials to determine foreign policy and, if anything, makes his take on foreign policy suspect.

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    Xennon

    What do the extreme rights think of mccain pretty much distancing himself and "behind the bush" bush bashing? Ya, it is a straight forward question. Ya, I doubt I will get a response from them aside from a perhaps a "super nifty" attempt at a one liner which fails in every sense of the imaginable.

    The polls don't matter here folks. This is a question on where your loyalties stand and who do you support. You for bush? You for mccain? You for the elephant no matter what backstabbing occurs within your own party?

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    adaydream

    Sarge - McCain was also a congressman from '83 to '87, and has been a senator since '87.

    That still doesn't mean I want him as president. It just means that the people in Arizona want him as senator.

    There are lots of senators that I don't want for president. Just like POWs. < :-)

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    MrEggAndSpoon

    McCain will not be as good as Mr Obama, only man with touch of dark skin, understands real problems of the soul. Mr McCain like war and kill, Mr Obama, he love peace an ting.

    Me hope Mr Obama is winner, and we have big party all night.

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    ca1ic0cat

    McCain was poking the Republicans in the backside before Obama was out of school. Obama has never done anything to instigate "change" in his time in governement, he's been a Democratic Party lapdog the whole time.

    While Biden was busy lying about his past Palin was working to straighten out first a town and then all of Alaska. She's got real corruption fighting cred, Biden is just a has been.

    So it's a lightweight and a liar versus McCain and Palin. No wonder the polls are starting to swing to McCain.

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    ColAmerica

    Liberals, call down guys. You are getting trounced in the opinion polls, and now you`re desperate. Hee Hee!

    McCain and Palin are showing what real solid candidates they are. All patriots will vote for McCain. We all know Obama is style but no substance.

    Obama and Biden are history, Viva McCain and Palin!!!!

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    adaydream

    Oh ColAmerica calm down.

    It's a bounce. At a point the bounce stops and then rolls down hill. < :-)

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    Xennon

    Great post MrEggAndSpoon,

    You call it like it is!

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    Xennon

    Great post Adaydream,

    You call it like it is!

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    ColAmerica

    adaydream; The tide has turned against Obama. The voters are flocking to McCain.

    McCain has demonstrated through his career, that he will do what he feels is best for the country, even if it means upsetting big business and Washington insiders.

    Obama is in the back pocket of those folks, he couldn`t change his order in a restaurant without an advisor aiding him.

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    Quirinus3

    Quirinus agrees with Sarge and ColAmerica, both true patriots, with the best interest of the nation in their hearts.

    The Obama fan club is reduced to name calling and childish posts, that is a reflection of society. McCain is being supported by hard working serious folks. Only the nutjobs support Obama. When McCain wins and makes the nation better, the liberals will still moan, as always, yawn...

    McCain is a true patriot, who will make America better for all, not just a few.

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    adaydream

    If I thought you republicans really wanted a republican with conservative values I'd have thought that you'd back Ron Paul. He's the only true republican who was running. < :-)

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    Thenewfront

    adaydream, moderateGuy2008, ColAmerica, Sarge, SushiSake3; How come you blokes argue with such vitriol against each other?

    We have heated discussions about elections in Britain, but we sometimes do agree with the other sides views.

    I hope however wins, will be less likely to start wars. How many died in the last 8 years.

    Fight wars, not war!!!

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    SuperLib

    daydream: Just bacause John McCain was a war hero doesn't make him presidential material.

    I can support that opinion to some extent. His time in a POW camp won't necessarily mean he'll make the best decisions as President on issues such as the economy, the environment, etc.

    But I do think his actions in the POW camp speak a lot about his character and I think that is something we should evaluate our Presidential candidates on. People can say that it might not make him a better President in terms of decisions he'll have to make, but they tend to go too far when they tell us that this evidence of his character is meaningless.

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    adaydream

    I know...I know...I know.

    You don't want Ron Paul a true republican. You want four years of John bush, which would be 90% of george bush's presidency.

    More tax cuts for the rich.

    More corporate tax cuts.

    More of big oils promises.

    More big oil tax cuts.

    More energy policies that only cost us more and more.

    More give aways to prescription drug companies.

    More war policies. < :-)

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    adaydream

    SuperLib - Being a POW gives him character. Maybe someone you'd vote for, but not me.

    I'm looking for more than someone who was a POW and has the character you want to vote for.

    I'll vote for Barack. < :-)

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    WhiteHawk

    Funny that such a blindly left-wing partisan such as adaydream would lecture anybody about what a "true Republican" is. Paul is a Libertarian.

    Please try not to divert the thread. Besides, I've already listed many occasions when McCain opposed Bush on other threads. Since you and jwillis79, DanManjt and several others insist on chanting the "McCain voted with Bush ##% of the time" mantra after I've posted evidence proving you wrong, what's the point? You're just going to keep repeating the same unfounded talking points on every thread that comes up. Such repetition doesn't mean you're right, it just means you're stubborn.

    More big oil tax cuts.

    Hahahaha, don't tell me you don't know about Obama voting for subsidies for oil companies!

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    Helter_Skelter

    Superlib

    But I do think his actions in the POW camp speak a lot about his character

    Well said. It's the sum of a person's life experiences that make them who they are. McCain's experience as a POW alone doesn't qualify him to be president, but it says a lot about his character. In the same way Obama's experiences with Weatherman terrorist William Ayers and race-pimp Pastor Wright say a lot about his character.

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    adaydream

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLWEDMLmjKk

    This Colonel doesn't buy the McCain chrisma. I don't either.

    What would tell him that would convince him that John McCain is the right guy for the nation? < :-)

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    sdmsec

    McCain battling big business: I wonder if he'll still be as misguided as his Campaign Finance Reform acts were?

    He seems to enjoy attacking symptoms rather than root causes.

    The root problem of big business in Washington is Washington has too much power to affect businesses through tax incentives, loans, grants, and regulations. Washington plays preferences with specific companies and industries. Therefore, companies and industries lobby hard to make sure they're on the "preferred" side of Washington's power. Limit D.C.'s power and money and you'll find big business has much less interest in D.C.

    Here's a quick real-world example:

    Recently read an article where U.S. auto industry is lobbying for a $50 billion loan to develop "green" cars. Why lobby the federal government? Can't they issue corporate bonds or setup a loan package from some big banks? Of course not, would you bet your money with them? So instead, they'll get the loan from YOU via taxation.

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    Taka313

    "Get with the program."

    More evidence of un-thinking, cult like behavior.

    Sad, really.

    Taka

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    adaydream

    It was hilarious to listen to the interview with Tom Ridge after his speach at the convention. He referenced John McCain as John bush. I got a great laugh. < :-)

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    Sarge

    Taka313 ( 6:56 AM ) - Sorry, I don't get what you're trying to say. What program?

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    goodDonkey

    WhiteHawk said:

    Please try not to divert the thread. Besides, I've already listed many occasions when McCain opposed Bush on other threads.

    and

    ...several others insist on chanting the "McCain voted with Bush ##% of the time" mantra after I've posted evidence proving you wrong, what's the point? You're just going to keep repeating the same unfounded talking points on every thread that comes up

    Out of your list of nine items that you provided on the Maverick there were four he completely reversed his position and went along with Bush; actually five if you count the tax cuts he is now touting. Not included in those five are three which were not within the time frame quoted where McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. McCain did vote with Bush 90% of the time; you did not prove them wrong. Here are the refuted examples:

    McCain has been harshly critical of congressional overspending, particularly of budgetary earmarks, a position Bush only lately adopted (after the Democrats took over Congress).

    Except when it comes to earmarks in his state. In 2006, the senator teamed up with fellow Arizona senator Jon Kyl (R) to funnel $10 million toward the University of Arizona for an academic center named after the late Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist. Even Arizona lawmaker, Rep. Jeff Flake (R), said he was planning to “lean against the measure.” The National Taxpayers Union, another traditional McCain ally, questioned why the senator was making federal taxpayers foot the bill for the center.

    McCain favors FDA regulation of tobacco and sponsored legislation to that effect, a position all but a handful of Republican senators oppose.

    On that one he flipped again. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. “I still regret we did not succeed” he said. However times have changed. Last year, McCain voted against legislation that would have used a 61-cents-per-pack tax to expand a children's health program. He also hired a Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser Charles Black. I guess if Charles Black was good enough for Jesse Helms he is good enough for McCain.

    McCain went with Joe Lieberman on a tough measure to curb climate change, something Bush denies is going on.

    Actually that was another flip-flop. Read this article by the Wall Street Journal on his change of heart.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/05/29/mcwaver-whats-the-deal-breaker-for-lieberman-warner/

    Of course when you use language like "McCain went with Joe Lieberman on a tough measure to curb climate change" maybe you meant he "went with" part of the way he did not complete the journey though. He missed the vote so he gets no credit there; he was vocal about withdrawing support if you read the WSJ article.

    McCain led the battle to restrict interrogation techniques of terror suspects and to ban torture

    But then he caved. Yes I remember when Lindsey Graham, Jack Warner and McCain stood up to Bush. McCain voted to allow the C.I.A. to circumvent the rules set out in the Army Field Manual on Interrogation by voting against a prohibition of such practices. In other words the C.I.A. could torture to their hearts content by McCain's vote.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17torture.html

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    Hoss1

    gooddonkey - great post!

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    Nessie

    I've already listed many occasions when McCain opposed Bush on other threads.

    I'm sure the Oval Office curtains will be the first thing to go.

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    Nessie

    To summarize Gooddonkey's post....

    Not only is McCain lockstep with Bush, but McCain betrayed his principles to achieve that lockstep.

    In the escort business we call that pandering. But I'm sure it's a Maverick kind of pandering. John "Not on the Lips" McCain in 2008!

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