Obama, McCain argue over war, taxes in 1st debate

Saturday 27th September, 10:41 AM JST

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Nippon5 at 08:12 PM JST - 28th September

Obama hasnt done anything against the Vets that I know of, he did vote no to a bill that was going to have a no withdraw date, and he didnt like it. As a whole the goverment failed the troops, just as I feel Clinton did while I served. To not provide proper funding is horrid... I want to believe one of the elected two would make a change but in my life time I havent seen true change just empty promises.....

I cant wait for the VP debate it will be a blast..... I have a case chilling for it and have cleared my schedule, I expect some big mistakes from the younger one, and some unique comments from both sides, maybe she will shock us and wow us with words.....
taniwha at 09:25 PM JST - 28th September

Zurcronium

the repubs controlled all parts of the US government post 9-11. You can sing your same old trite song if you wish but please try to get your facts correct.

Let's get history right here. The leading Democrats all lined up behind 'the Bush' Iraq war. I could run through the lot but who cares for all the names. We know them already; there's senator's Lieberman, Gephardt, Kerry (who let's not forget ran for president), Edward, Graham, both Clintons, Biden, Kennedy...

There were a few against, but they were very very few and only Dean from memory made anything close to a public stand against the overwhelming Democrat support for the warmongers lust for Iraqi blood and oil. Throughout the past decade the Democrats have impotently pleaded with the administration and outright collaborated with it, particularly over the war in Iraq, and military spending. But also in their refusal to have a confrontation with the Republican Party over the stacking of the Bush judicial nominations in favour of the extreme right wing and Christian fundamentalist forces that have been so influential in the Republican Party.

The Democratic Party have shown themselves to be the most spineless of oppositions and have also displayed an alarming lack of principle - and that's throughout the entire two terms of the Bush administration. They pose as representing their supporters but the majority of their supporters have shown through polls to be hostile to the Iraq war.

And from the Iraqi war to the Economy when we look at the involvement of the Democrats in political disasters they show themselves at least to be consistent. How can we all forget how in the early hours of October 22, 1999, an agreement made between the Clinton administration and the congressonal Republicans was settled that would allow the most sweeping banking deregulation in American history!

Yep, on president Bill Clinton's watch the stage was set for the passage of a bill that would enable virtually all restraints on the operation of the giant monopolies dominating the financial system to be lifted.

The rest, as they say, is history. McCain will be allowed to become president, the Democrats will see to that, and those that don't fall in line will be encouraged to. Or have you forgotten what happened the last two presidential elections?
Wottock_Hunt at 09:29 PM JST - 28th September

Sarge - "My friend senatorMcCain"?

Oh go on, do tell. What, you were forged from the same caste in the Hanoi Hilton? Papillon syndrome? Bumchums?

Come on - tell us why you chose those words.
Sarge at 09:39 PM JST - 28th September

Wottock - I was quoting Henry Kissinger.
flyingfish at 11:01 PM JST - 28th September

i thought mccain did alright but its academic because sarah palin is sinking him..her interview with couric beggars belief.. of course the elephant in the room is that there is no way she can be the mother of trig and when that breaks ,all hell will break loose.. maybe they can keep it under wraps til the election though..
Wottock_Hunt at 11:45 PM JST - 28th September

Sarge - I see...good to know you're consistent about the calibre of man you bow down to.
memyselfI at 01:47 PM JST - 29th September

Flip Flop Flip Flop !!! McCain is a Flip Flopper !!!! Is he a loyal Bush Supporter or not ? McCain will be the second worst president we ever had. Bush is numero uno !!!!
TheNewFed at 01:50 PM JST - 29th September

Sarge- great posts buddy, a true patriot!

memyself- An unpatriotic dig at McCain, a dig without any evidence i may add.

McCain destroyed Obama in the debate. Obama is heading for a Mondale style defeat. Way to go McCain!
USARonin at 01:55 PM JST - 29th September

memyself, when you get older you can participate in the democratic process and vote for your candidate of choice.

That's only another three years.
SezWho2 at 09:07 AM JST - 30th September

USARonin,

Didn't mean to neglect you. Computer problems here.

Your question about "lip-service" was already asked and answered. McCain called for a meeting in which he said nothing. Obama responded to an invitation to join the meeting.
ANOTSUSAGAMI at 10:40 PM JST - 1st October

Taniwha-Democrats are evil because they didn't stand up to Evil Bush. Republicans are great because they sided with Evil Bush... What are you saying? You state that the Dems sided with Bush on the war and other issues and therefore suck, then in the same breath praise the Repubs for what, consistency? Or are you being cynical when you say McCain will win? BTW, when they agreed with him on the war they were all but forced to lest they be branded weak, unfit to lead, unpatriotic, among other things. Could YOU possibly have opposed the war knowing that the opposition would use the hysteria of the attacks to brand you a traitor in the eyes of your constituency? Look how that worked out for Dean.
zurcronium at 11:43 PM JST - 1st October

taniwha,

I dont know where to start, so I wont. All I have to say its not the 2000 election now when Nader repeated the ^They are all the same^ manta and then by not withdrawing from the election let Bush win in Florida, sort of. The fact is that if Gore had moved into the WH the US would look and be far, far different from today. Like night and day different. There would be no Iraq war for example. Oil would be at a reasonalbe price now. And on and on.

So sing your same song, the one you have been singing from 2000 or before. No one cares cause its just not true. Was not in 2000 with Nader and not true now either. Oh, and let Nader know that he looks like fool. No one cares about him anymore, that is for sure.

BTW, my house representative did oppose the invastion from the very start. She is a democrat.
Nessie at 02:55 PM JST - 2nd October

McCain will be allowed to become president, the Democrats will see to that, and those that don't fall in line will be encouraged to.

If McCain doesn't become president, is there any chance these certain pronouncements of yours will start to show any humility and tentativeness? Just asking.
TokyoXtreme at 10:00 PM JST - 2nd October

How about "no war" and "no taxes". Eliminate both!
USARonin at 10:12 PM JST - 2nd October

"Elminate taxes"?

You're definitely not a progressive or liberal.

"No war" is simply just not realistic, so you're not conservative.

How do you identify yourself polically?