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TheQuestion
So in response to a targeted military strike you drop a few bombs in commercial waters and hope they hit something Israelii. For all they know one of the barrels could hit a ferry full of kittens. Is that what you want Hamas? A sinking ferry full of kittens? If you had shame (or an Irish grandmother) you would feel terrible.
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kinniku
TheQuestion,
Agree. Instead of random acts of violence that only begets more violence in return, Hamas should seriously work to repair the rift between them and Fatah and pledge to work toward a real peace with Israel. Barak's comments are very wise indeed. Israel must also pledge to work with the Palestinians (once the Palestinians can actually agree to work together themselves) towards a true peace agreement. Both sides will have to make great compromises, but the end agreement of peace would be worth it and that is really what most average people on all sides want.
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TumbleDry
kinniku: Israel prefers the situation like this. Both Hamas and Abbas are weak and "easier" to control this way.
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kinniku
TumbleDry,
'Israel' is not a person. While there are certainly those in Israel that might feel that way, Ehud Barak is quoted right in this article as not feeling that way at all. Regardless, the present situation is worse for Palestinians than it is for Israelis. It is to the advantage of the Palestinians to attempt to make their situation better.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
Are Hamas and its aligned militants could act responsibly and intelligently and work toward peace instead of acting completely irresponsibly and inviting more and more violence on the very people they should be respresenting.
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sabiwabi
Yes, way too long!
They have fishing boats, but they must stay close to the shores, quickly depleting the stocks. So fish farming has recently become big business in Gaza.
That the international community allows Israel to hold the Palestinians captive is baffling!
Kinniku,
Hamas has been acting responsibly and intelligently and worked toward peace. But as I have clearly explained to you a while back (remember Finkelstein), the Israelis are terrified of peace, they will never allow it.
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kinniku
While there are certainly those in Israel that might feel that way, Ehud Barak is quoted right in this article as not feeling that way at all. Regardless, the present situation is worse for Palestinians than it is for Israelis.
Are these bombs going to get the Palestinian people the peace they want? No. Have the rockets gotten them the peace that they want? No. Would ramming fishing boats (?!) into Israeli nave boats get them the peace that they want? No. The only thing that will get them the peace that the average Palestinian wants, needs and deserves is serious negotiations toward that end. The actions described in this article run completely against any hope of peace and just continue the cycle of violence.
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kinniku
I agree. Hopefully Hamas and its aligned militant groups will soon see that violence is not the answer.
No, what is baffling is that Hamas still is not willing to negotiate for a real peace even after all this time of seeing how much pain the continued violence puts on the shoulders of the average Palestinian.
No, they have not. In point of fact, they have done nothing of the sort, sadly.
You seem to easily forget that your explanation was proven to be incorrect.
Hamas has never agreed to negotiate with Israel for a true peace. When Israel left Gaza, Hamas took the happiness of finally having Gaza to themselves away from the Palestinian people with their continued stubborn attitudes.
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TumbleDry
kinniku: WT*? Hamas don't want peace. They want their land back! Netanyahu is a right wing nationalist after all. He doesn't want peace with Palestinians also. He wants their land. He also need a reason to park Palestinians. As long as the Hamas continues launching rockets, making floating bombs or other terrorism acts, that serves the parking purpose.
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sabiwabi
As you know, Hamas was respecting a ceasefire and its only after several of its members were murdered by Israel that Hamas started firing rockets, leading to the carnage a year ago. Palestinians are murdered regardless of whether Hamas does anything. Israel has a very long history of avoiding peace, it is obvious Israel is terrified of peace with the Palestinians, Norman Finkelstein documented this very well. The only reason Israel "left" Gaza is that it was getting too difficult to protect the occupiers and also a large sum of money from the US.
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kinniku
TumbleDry,
Well, they can't get their land back if they don't make peace.
Well, then Hamas should stop doing that.
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Helter_Skelter
That you can't understand why is even more baffling.
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kinniku
Incorrect. The ceasefire was broken by Hamas when they attempted to tunnel INTO Israel.
Untrue. You once attempted to argue this with examples, all of which proved to be incorrect.
That is not the point. Israel did in fact leave Gaza and you admitted that the average Palestinian in Gaza was happy about this and was using the border between Gaza and Egypt until Hamas messed it up and Egypt, Israel, the EU, the US and the United Nations put sanctions on the Hamas leadership.
Hamas had and still has a chance to be true leaders for their people. So far, they are failing miserably.
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bushlover
It is obvious that these floating bombs are a good idea to force Israel to it's knees at the peace negotiation table. They will submit and give back all the land to the Palestinians and move to Utah or some other large state like Nevada or Texas so that they can control the American funds and then they will keep the Utah, Nevadan or Texan ranchers as hostages in their own land. The Hamas come up with nothing but good ideas. The idea to cr@p where one lives is really a great one too. It will show the world how victorious they can be.
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Odogma
Expect the environmentalists, the animal rights ppl, and not least of all those who want intelligent mammals who might be in the sea protected to step right up and protest this like their lives and reputations depended on it.
Yes, sir.
Any day now.
You can count on it.
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Helter_Skelter
Excellent list of civilian locales Islamic terrorists use to shield themselves. Hospitals are especially a favorite. Sabi, hope you don't mind if I use this list in the future. Thanks.
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Odogma
Their land is in Iran. They have no historical claim whatsoever upon Israel or the so-called Palestinian territories.
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TumbleDry
Odogma: yeah yeah... give your land back to the Ainu, Native American, Neanderthal, etc. Their land is not in Iran.
One day I'll come to your home, seat in your sofa and I'll tell you when you can seat or not. Next, I will give your sofa to someone else and leave. This new person is not even giving the right to seat on the sofa. How about that?
That's right, you'll give up your sofa.
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Odogma
Hamas is an Iranian creation. They are not for Palestinians. They are merely opposed to Israel's existence, and were they to destroy Israel their next goal would be the elimination of Jews in Europe and N America.
None of the Arab/Muslim governments in the ME want actual autonomy or sovereignty for Palestine. They have repeatedly said so. It is all about destroying Israel. Palestine is the launching pad, Palestinians are the cannon fodder.
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goddog
Have they considered that tides and wind change and that the bombs could come right back?
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kinniku
Actually, in the world today, this is the kind of thing that not only breaks ceasefires, but starts wars. However, there is more background about Hamas tunneling. You see just in that very same month, the Palestinian Authority arrested Hamas soldiers building tunnels in the West Bank in which they were storing smuggled weapons and conducting exercises using those weapons. In addition, a similary tunnel into Israel was used to kidnap an Israeli soldier leading to an extremely strong response from Israel. So, with Hamas' history with tunnels it is pretty clear they weren't planning a trip to Mecca.
Nah. Instead of tunneling, rocketing, stealing UN supplies and selling them, and floating bombs, it would be better if they negotiated for real peace with Israel.
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sabiwabi
I also heard they're an Israeli creation. Anyway, they were democratically elected by the people of Gaza.
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Odogma
[Hamas}
If you actually believed that - rather than needing it as a bizarre crutch of some kind - you wouldn't have followed with
would you.
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kinniku
Actually, they were not created by Israel, but they were certainly originally supported by some people in Israel, for example Sharon. As a religious charitable organization, they were seen by such people as a better alternative to the then stubborn Arafat and Fatah. Boy, were they ever wrong!
Yup. It is high time for them to actually do something good for their people, too.
Yes, if you use extremely faulty DNA analysis methods, one would get that incorrect conclusion. The fact is that if you put an Israeli and a Palestinian next to each other, you would never know the difference.
Bottom line, this action on the part of Hamas aligned militants will bring no good to the Palestinian people for whom Hamas claims to be working.
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sabiwabi
What the Goldstone report states:
"...the ceasefire began to founder on 4 November 2008 following an incursion by Israeli soldiers into the Gaza Strip, which Israel stated was to close a cross-border tunnel that in Israel’s view was intended to be used by Palestinian fighters to kidnap Israeli soldiers."
In other words, there is no evidence to support it, it seems like its another silly excuse to blame the other guy. Just like the lies they said to excuse their attack of the UN school.
Interestingly, "Hamas also accused Israel of trying to disrupt talks between Hamas and Fatah that were scheduled for the following week in Cairo." Maybe Israel was afraid that Hamas and Fatah would start getting along.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
Yes, Hamas was just planning a picnic on the Israeli side of the border and that is why they tunneled on over. Nevermind the fact Hamas members were arrested by the Palestinian Authority in tunnels with stored weapons in the same month and nevermind they used a similar cross border tunnel to kidnap a soldier in the past. Yes, they were just in a picnic kind of mood and were misunderstood by Israel.
Incorrect, there is plenty of evidence that the tunnel was not going to be used for making peace.
Ummm...the very same Goldstone report and human rights agencies accuse Hamas of endangering civilian Palestinians by shooting rockets and mortars from civilian areas.
Was that before or after they had murdered Fatah officials? Probably during.
There was absolutely no reason for Hamas to be tunneling INTO Israel,except violent ones. It was counterproductive, as is this latest event.
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kinniku
Which is incorrect.
It is completely faulty and is based on only one DNA marker. Amateur science. Your comparisons fail in that regard. BTW, I was not specifying which Israelis and Palestinians to put side by side. You put any one Israeli and any one Palestinian next to each other and you will not be able to tell them apart. Since you seem to have met neither, I don't expect you to know this.
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kinniku
Yes, we do know that.
The reaction from Israel was to kill the people attempting to enter Israel. The incident ended there and Israel declared its intention to continue to abide by the ceasefire. The ceasefire between Hamas and Israel then continued for about a month until Hamas rockets started again when Hamas declared they would not extend the ceasefire.
As I just mentioned above, they didn't. They just hit the tunnels in response.
Israel did that. Until Hamas declared about a month later that they did not want to extend the ceasefire.
Since throughout the ceasefire Hamas was in fact planning and preparing for attacks against Israel, the ceasefire was not worth very much at all. It is not today either it seems. This is the problem. It is not real. The Palestinians and Israelis need to be talking about real peace, not these 'ceasefires'.
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sabiwabi
We don't know that they were tunneling. All we have is Israel (compulsive liars) saying they were.
BTW, the Goldstone report also describes many of the restrictions imposed on Gaza. If they were tunnuling, they might have had legitimate reasons to do so.
Again, why do we tolerate Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, and how can anyone possibly defend this.
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Gombei424Canada
Well, I see the usual carte blanchers are here trying to say Hamas has no right to float bombs in the Mediterranean and kill innocent Israelis or whoever.
I guess said people don't realize that Hamas has NO CHOICE but to do this. Maybe with a few deaths VIA WATERBORNE EXPLOSIVES the oppressed people of Palestine can show the stupid corporate medias of the world that the rockets they fire from Gaza DON'T result in deaths. The few remaining supporters here of Israel never stopped to consider THAT before condemning the inhabitants of Gaza.No, they just start with all the usual red screens and smoked herring. Disgusting!
Well, anyways, while the world's largest open-air gulag remains where it is, with people starving to death and what not, we all know the usual haters will keep on saying the Israeli government and military, should remain unwilling to even discuss the issue of settlements.
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Helter_Skelter
People around the world are becoming more aware of the threat of Islam. Indians are supporters of Israel because they too are victims of Islamic terrorism from Pakistan. As the world wakes up to Islamic terrorism, they'll understand that Israel is fighting the same war that dozens of other countries are fighting. The Muslim Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" are no different, and ultimately victims of their own violent and intolerant nature.
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kinniku
Ummm...Hamas admitted they were tunneling. They acknowledged the tunnel. Do try to keep up.
No. We only have a purposefully (?) uninformed person, you claiming this. Hamas acknowledged the tunnel existed. They had just had people arrested by the Palestinian Authority for building a tunnel and storing and using weapons in it in the West Bank in the same month. Hamas had also used a similar tunnel to capture an Israeli soldier before.
LOL! 'There was no tunnel!' 'If they were tunneling, it's okay!' Make up your mind! No, they only have legitimate reasons to make a real peace. Things like rockets, floating bombs and tunnels (INTO Israel of all places!) for smuggling weapons and killing only work against peace.
Who is defending Israel's treatment of the Palestinians? If Hamas would act like true representatives of their people and work toward real peace between Israel and Palestinians and Israel truly rejected this, Israel would then be at fault. However, this is not the case, no matter how many times you attempt to misrepresent the facts. Hamas puts its OWN people in danger by its actions. Hamas has even STOLEN food meant for its own people. How can Palestinians continue to put up with such horrible leadership? That is the real question you should be asking.
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sabiwabi
Interesting that Goldstone doesn't include that very important detail. But I guess you're right, since we all know you never lie or make stuff up.
You are! You implied very clearly with your next sentence that Israel is not at fault.
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kinniku
How so? The Goldstone report did not focus on the November 2008 event in great detail. The report was not about the November 2008 incident. It was focused on the Gazan conflict in December and January. Nevertheless, Hamas did achknowledge this and it is public knowledge that they did.
Correct. Would that you were able to say the same thing.
Incorrect. Disapproving of Hamas' actions does not equal approval of Israeli actions.
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sabiwabi
I see you have not read the Goldstone report. You should; you'll learn something about those who are sending you talking points.
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kinniku
I have read it. The account of the November 2008 incident was brief. It is funny that Hamas admitted to the existence of the tunnel and you still cling to your fantasies.
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Sarge
More Palestinians may die as a result of this.
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kinniku
BTW, even Jimmy Carter acknowledged the tunnel. So, yes, it did exist.
Hamas and its aligned militia should begin to realize that actions such as ridiculously floating bombs and the like get them nothing but more grief for the very people they were elected to represent.
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Helter_Skelter
Hamas gangsters want nothing more than grief for their citizens. Hamas is made up of thugs and criminals. Their only concern is to ethnically cleanse the Jewish "Infidel" from the ME. That's difficult to do with a content population peacefully living side-by-side with Israel. They want retaliation for launching these floating bombs because there are so many dupes out there who will blame Israel.
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sabiwabi
kinniku,
Hey, I already agreed that you must be right, since we all know you never lie or make stuff up. I am sure you are correct that Hamas and Carter admitted that the Hamas members (whose murders sparked the rocket attacks that caused the IDF to murder ca 1400 Gazans) were building tunnels. We should not ask you to provide specific proof, we must take your word for it. And I am sure you are also absolutely correct in that they were clearly tunneling for the sole purpose of smuggling weapons and/or kidnapping IDF soldiers, since they had no other reason to tunnel, they had everything they needed.
But seriously, if Israel wants an end to the rockets or floating bombs, all it has to do is respect international law and common human decency, and to stop treating the Palestinians as cattle. You do know that there are very clear international laws against the collective punishment Israel is inflicting against the Palestinians.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
You are rambling. There is no need for me to cut and paste link after link to information that should be right at your finger-tips. Both Hamas and Jimmy Carter did in fact acknowledge the tunnel's existence. A simple search shows this to be true. Simples searches also easily reveal past uses for such tunnels that I have briefly explained; smuggling, storing and practicing with weapons and capturing an Israeli soldier. Again, they had NO reason to tunnel INTO Israel except violent reasons.
You are so convinced you are correct about the lack of a tunnel? Find me a Hamas source denying the existence of a tunnel there. My sources are Hamas and Carter and, although I disagree with both on many occasions, I believe they are telling the truth in this case and, as such, are much more trustworthy than your protestations.
What I know is Hamas' way of conducting their affairs have continued to make life even worse for Gazans. Even you had to admit (you hated doing that I know) that Palestinians were happy when Israel left and all sides thought this boded well for peace in the region. Hamas messed that up and continues to do so.
It is the Palestinians that have more to lose if things continue as they have. Hamas needs to ignore the voices within and without that would continue to encourage rockets, floating bombs or other useless acts that have never brought Gazans anything but misery.
In short, both sides need to act responsibly.
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kinniku
The absolutely sad thing is Hamas' and Hamas aligned militant groups' actions say exactly this.
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sabiwabi
Ah, the good'ol "simple search shows". Funny how that response never seems to be good enough when I use it...
You are wrong. They have for years had plenty of legitimate reasons for building tunnels. They also "smuggle" things such food, medicines, tobacco, and much more.
No, I am just saying that I have only seen comments saying that that is what Israel claims, but they have a very long history of telling bold-faced lies and making stuff up. And we have you making the same claims, but...
Could very well be true, I just haven't seen anything that convinced me it must be true. And I certainly haven't seen anything to prove they had bad intentions IF indeed they did build tunnels.
Regardless, if Israel wants an end to the rockets or floating bombs, all it has to do is respect international law and common human decency, and to stop treating the Palestinians as cattle. Really, if they did that, the rockets would stop IMMEDIATELY!
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kinniku
It is not good enough when you use it because a search does not bring up the results you claim. In contrast, my claims are backed up by a simple search. Search, then make your claim that I am mistaken that both Hamas and Carter did in fact acknowledge the tunnel's existence.
Ahh...now I get it. The reason you can't search the internet about the November 2008 tunnel is a reading problem. None of the things you suggest would be the result of tunneling INTO Israel. So, again, you are incorrect. The only reason for tunneling INTO Israel is a violent one and this is proven by the exact reasons I have already listed above.
Well, it is obvious you are having trouble reading and using the internet. Hamas and Carter acknowledge the tunnel. If you are so convinced you are correct about the lack of a tunnel? Find me a Hamas source denying the existence of a tunnel there. My sources are Hamas and Carter and, although I disagree with both on many occasions, I believe they are telling the truth in this case and, as such, are much more trustworthy than your protestations.
Then this can only lead a logical person to assume you have reading difficulties as I have shown both that tunnels have been used for weapons and that they have been used to capture an Israeli soldier. In addition, you have not shown any other logical reason for tunneling INTO Israel. Do you think Hamas was planning a little picnic on the Israeli side and was just misunderstood? What do you think Hamas was planning to do on the Israeli side? Have a party? Please enlighten us. However, you claims of 'food, medicines, tobacco, and much more' do not match with tunneling INTO Israel.
Since Hamas does not want to negotiate with Israel for a real peace, since even during the 2008 ceasefire rockets were fired at Israel, since Hamas' charter states their intention to destroy Israel and since you don't even know Hamas and Carter acknowledged the November 2008 tunnel, how would you have any idea what Hamas would or would not do?
Hamas needs to give up their militant ways and declare their intention to work toward real peace between Israel and Palestinians. If Israel rejected true offers of peace, Israel would then be at fault. However, this is not the case, no matter how many times you attempt to misrepresent the facts. Hamas puts its OWN people in danger by its actions. Hamas has even STOLEN food meant for its own people. How can Palestinians continue to put up with such horrible leadership?
These floating bombs are a perfect example of how senseless Hamas and Hamas aligned militant actions are.
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sabiwabi
OK, if you say so, it must true...
But then again, I would rather rely on more official sources, such as the Goldstone report.
And here is a little something from WHO's Gaza Health Fact Sheet:
"Recent events have resulted in a severe deterioration of the already precarious living conditions of the people in Gaza and have further eroded a weakened health system. The closure of Gaza since mid‐2007 and the last Israeli military strike between 27 December 2008 and 18 January 2009 have led to on‐going deterioration in the social, economic and environmental determinants of health."
I guess you're right then; there are absolutely no valid reasons to tunnel...
The WHO fact sheet also states:
"Two patients died recently while awaiting referral ‐ one in November and one in December. 27 patients have died while awaiting referral since the beginning of the year."
Here is one example:
Basic human rights and freedom of a population is not something that needs to be negotiated for. And collective punishment is against international law.
Moderator: Readers, back on topic please. Please focus your comments on what is in the story.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
Of course what I wrote is true. It always is. Your source does NOT say a tunne did NOT exist, BTW. So, I am not sure how relying on it answers any question on that point.
Of course I am write as I wrote there is no reason to tunnel INTO ISRAEL.
As to your cut and paste, I have never ever said the situation in Gaza was anything but horrible. In fact, I have correctly pointed out several times that it has gotten immeasurably worse since Hamas came to power and that this is a direct result of Hamas' actions.
Now, as I have written already, this actions on the part of Hamas and Hamas aligned militants continue to endanger the civilian population of Gaza today with such ridiculously dangerous things such as is the subject of this article: floating bombs and shooting rockets. Have these actions helped Gazans or improved their lives? No. Can you justify them as having done so? No.
I agree. So, Hamas should probably stop acting violently shooting rockets and floating bombs and should actually do something to help their population. Although you see nothing wrong with actions such as described in this article, intelligent people know absolutely nothing good of them will come to the Palestinian people. It is about time Hamas and its affiliates did things to did result in true benefits to their people and make true efforts toward true peace.
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Helter_Skelter
Sabi classifying a report that came out of the U.N. as an official source. :-D
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ChrisBiggins
If beastly Mossad did not break international law and assasinate people the Middle East would be much more peacefull. I cannot believe how many swallow Israels fibs everytime.
They want any excuse to restart their horrid and ghastly genocide of the poor Palestinians.
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Helter_Skelter
Genocide? The "Palestinians" have one of the highest population growth rates in the world.
LOL!
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SuperLib
I don't think I've ever seen those words put into that order to make a sentence before.
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sabiwabi
Yeah, you should wonder why you never see them. Another sentence you do see is "the Israelis are terrified of peace, they will never allow it". Unfortunately the latter sentence is very true; I have noticed it for years and Norman Finkelstein has documented it well). Many times in the past, as the Palestinians made serious attempts at negotiating peace, the Israelis would do something (e.g., bombing, murders, restrictions, expanding illegal settlements) to make the Palestinians respond, thus giving the Israelis an excuse to retaliate harshly.
This last incident is no different, the Palestinians are retaliating the Israeli murder of a Hamas member. If they do not retaliate, Israel will murder some more or resort to other deceptive actions to eventually provoke the Palestinians to react.
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kinniku
The reason why we never see them is simple. At present, Hamas is not acting responsibly nor are they acting intelligently and this, sadly, has been true since they came to be elected as representatives of their people. The actions described in this article, floating bombs on the part of militants aligned with Hamas, are not intelligent, nor are they the acts of people who take their leadership roles responsibly. Just because you agree with Hamas' charter does not mean it is intelligent and reasonable.
As to your constant repeating of Finklestein, we have already confirmed what you wrote was false. The treaties Finklestein refers to were broken by the Palestinians, not the Israelis. You claim Palestinians have made attempts at peace many times, yet when questioned about it, your answers point toward situations in which it actually was the Palestinians that broke truces and ceasefires.
Of course, Israel has also been at fault at times. Netanyahu's ridiculous statements reported here on JT that he intended (I am paraphrasing as I don't have the article in front of me) for Israel to remain in parts of the West Bank even after a Palestinian state is formed. The fact is both sides (Israel and the Palestinian Authority) admit there will be land swaps in any final deal to make both nations secure and to make the borders more natural. However, that kind of talk is best reserved for when the sides are actually negotiating.
As to the war last year, no one can deny that the Gazan War was a massive failure in pretty much every way for Israel. It had little effect on Hamas or the rockets, it caused way too many civilian deaths and injuries and it has not really made Israel more secure. In addition, both sides have been accused of war crimes and, in the case of Hamas, they were against their own people.
Now, let's take a look at your personal arguments against Israel. Are they rational and reasonable? Do they truly take the Palestinian people's interests and futures at heart, or are they merely rages against Israel. I think it is the latter. You see, the main problem with your arguments is that you do not believe in a two state solution. You do not think Israel's has a right to exist. Your ONLY solution is for Israel to disappear somehow. The thing is, it is not realistic. Israel does exist and will for quite some time. Palestinians can keep waiting for Israel to disappear, or they can negotiate for a two state solution. Neither side is going to be completely happy, but that is the only choice available to them. Now, I know you are going to come back with one of your 'If a mugger takes your wallet, you don't let them keep it.' line of reasoning. However, that line of reasoning, which Hamas seems to share has made life immeasurably worse for the Palestinians in Gaza. This is a fact. These floating bombs will in no way, shape or form help the Palestinians in Gaza. You can argue that they have 'no choice' until you are blue in the face. However, until the Palestinians as a united people actually say they believe in a two state solution to a real peace, they will not have the peace they deserve.
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sabiwabi
kinnuki,
Stick to expressing your own opinions, because you're doing a terrible job at describing mine.
Yeah, by you simply saying he is wrong. You have yet to prove any of your statements, all you ever do is simply claim that you are right and everyone else is false, and that's it. Sorry but self-righteousness is not the same as being right.
Anyway, the Palestinians have been waiting for 6 decades to be treated like humans. Seems they have decided not to stand idly by as Israel continues to murder their citizens. So how many Gazans need to be assassinated before they respond? 2? 5? 20? 200? Do you expect them to sit there and negotiate while Israel continues illegal settlements, assassinating Palestinians, restricting the entry of vital material, preventing dying Palestinians freedom to access medical treatment.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
I think I have been extremely accurate in describing your opinions that have been written here. Interestingly, as always, you do not, describe where I have been mistaken. In your written opinions, Israel is always 100 percent wrong. This is not only incorrect, it is an unrealistic and counterproductive way of thinking.
As to Finklestein, you gave examples in January 2009 of two times when Israel supposedly break ceasefires in the 80's and I showed you your examples were incorrect. In one case, the PLO in Lebanon and Israel had a ceasefire, but attacks by the PLO continued from Jordan and the West Bank and when Israel responded, the PLO accused them of breaking the ceasefire.So, I did prove my statements perfectly. You left the discussion after that, as you are want to do when you have been shown to be incorrect.
The world has been waiting six decades for the Palestinians and the Israelis to negotiate for real peace. You use Finklestein as an (incorrect as it turns out) example, however, in none of the incorrect examples Finklestein presents are the two sides actually negotiating for peace.
Both sides have murdered each other and both sides need to stop. Look at this article. Floating bombs and rockets? Do you think these kinds of actions will end the six decades of Palestinian suffering? Repeating over and over that the Palestinians are suffering does not change the fact that Hamas' actions only make the Palestinians suffer more.
They don't have a choice. Hamas' charter clearly describes the group's desire to destroy Israel. Hamas has never been willing to negotiate for a true peace. Of course, nothing will change if Hamas does not change. Again, things are worse in Gaza because of Hama and the actions on the part of Hamas aligned militants described in this article. Just because you agree with the charter does not mean it is the best thing for the Palestinians.
So, yes, I expect Hamas to finally say, 'We are willing to negotiate for a real peace.' If Israel does not respond to such a sincere move on Hamas' part, it would then be Israel's fault.
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