Monday May 28, 2012

Cold wave freezes U.S. northeast

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    rajakumar

    4 people storm related deaths, not good news in US northeast. 1 couple died form home generator carbon manoxide poisoning. Massachusetts public works supervisor body recovered from a reservoir. 4th person was a new hampshire man.

    Sad day in north east USA>

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    VOR

    all them liberals up there freezing their lazy butts off cursing the day they Al Gore was born right about now.

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    Taka313

    -45 F (with wind chill) in N. Minnesota last night with a prediction of -31 F (actual) tomorrow.

    vor,

    What a petty post. You don't do yourself or your own political affiliation any favors by politicizing stuff like this.

    And so you know...one of the signs of global warming is more severe weather. So....yeah. Real bright. Since you didn't know that, I'm guessing you've never seen the inside of a meteorology book.

    Taka

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    Sarge

    "one of the signs of global warming is more severe weather"

    Including more severe cold, right?

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    WhiteHawk

    In Nashville tomorrow night, it will be the coldest it's been here in ten years. Single digits. And I've got a party I have to attend! Brrr!

    And Sarge, the official term now is "Global Climate Change". America's constitution is supposed to be a "living, breathing document" subject to "updating" and editing at a liberal's whim, but the Earth's climate is supposed to be exactly the same, year after year. The Ice Ages were a myth, evidently, as global Climate Change didn't exist prior to the invention of capitalism, western democracies, or the SUV (multiple choice).

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    VOR

    and global warming is responsible for three headed turtles according to some of the sheep out there. If its global warming causing these freezes, then lets pray global warming continues well into next week.

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    Taka313

    sarge,

    Yes, actually. I take it you studied weather at the same place vor did.

    Taka

    Moderator: Stay on topic please.

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    bebert

    All of those liberals burning heating oil and firewood to keep warm -leaving a greater global carbon footprint - now that their solar panels are caked with snow and ice and relatively worthless in the overcast skies.

    Meanwhile the BBC will bury stories about abnormally cold weather like this and instead report on how it has been unseasonably warm in Moscow this winter.

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    Badsey

    Vermonteers must burn more wood in order to save the planet. -with the inflation in a few more years we may be stoking the flame with the Obama dollar.

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    Sarge

    "in a few more years we may be stoking the flame with the Obama dollar"

    Har!

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    Hotbox08

    Taka, spot on. For those posters out there who don't know diddly about global warming and severe weather patterns, read this:

    ScienceDaily (Dec. 5, 2007)

    Moderator: The URL will suffice.

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    Molenir

    lol, so much for global warming. Of course it doesn't matter. The global temp could drop a dozen degrees, and eco nuts would still be saying we should expect extremes in weather patterns due to "global warming". They just can't seem to accept, that the climate changes... constantly. Not necessarily because of what mankind does, but simply because thats what it does.

    Welcome to the real world! Some years its colder, some years its warmer. But ooh we should be terrified of "global warming" anyway. Sorry, don't think so.

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    Taka313

    Hotbox08,

    Thanks. You know, what kills me is that so many people who zero, ZERO training in Meteorology can talk with such certainty about the subject.

    Amazing, is it not?

    Taka

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    Badsey

    the problem is they call everything a severe storm or hurricane now. -Makes sense to me since many Profs live off the global warming bandwagon gravy train.

    College welfare.

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    Taka313

    Badsey,

    the problem is they call everything a severe storm or hurricane now

    Completely untrue. Utterly. No, really. Not a bit of truth to that.

    There are measurable critera for how a storm is rated. A tropical disturbance isn't considered a tropical storm until sustained winds of 33 kts are achieved and for it to be a hurricane, it must have sustained winds of 64 kts.

    A winter storm is considered severe if meets wind, hail size, temperature, rainfall or visibility criteria (I may be forgetting some, this is all off the top of my head).

    It has nothing to do with politics or "college welfare." Not one bit.

    Taka

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    Sarge

    What's even more amazing is people WITH training in meteorology, who should know better than the rest of us bumpkins, insist that severe cold weather patterns are a result of "global warming," and, on top of that, insist that these severe weather patterns are being caused mainly by human activity. As if Mother Nature is powerless against us! Ha ha ha!

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    Molenir

    No, to be fair here, while I don't buy into the "global warming" hysteria, I recognize that people can have a profound impact on their environment. Acid Rain, Heat Island effect, CFCs, all impact the environment. But this idea that mankind is soley responsible for heating up the globe, and that we should brace for a global death spiral...

    This is particularly egregious, when any rational and objective look at the science says there is simply insufficient evidence to support the conclusions being reached, while there is a huge amount of circumstantial evidence to suggest that the "global warming" theories are simply wrong.

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    Hotbox08

    The best way to tell that global warming is real is just look and feel it around you. Back in the mid 90s when I arrived in Tokyo, it was not uncommon to find heaps of snow in December. Nowadays, you'll be hardpressed to find any at all in a winter season.
    Another fact, is that scientists who observe the polar ice caps have noticed a significant drop in the amount of ice available. Now, it doesn't take an expert to tell you that extreme heat, and not cold causes ice to melt that fast.

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    Hotbox08

    To add, I can see the point of global warming non-believers that there is a natural cycle of freezing and warming of the Earth. But we are talking about a cycle that lasts several centuries, NOT decades or mere years.

    It's taken less than ten years, to see a lot of snow in Tokyo, to no snow in Tokyo, every winter. Natural warming doesn't occur THAT fast. Did the Ice Age last only a few decades? I think not.

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    Molenir

    Actually Hotbox08, that is not a good way to tell anything at all. Other then that the weather today, is different then it was years ago. Guess what, the climate changes. Some years its colder, some years its warmer, and when a city is built up, it becomes warmer over time. This has nothing to do with the concept of "global warming" however.

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    Hotbox08

    Guess what, the climate changes.

    You are right, climate changes, but if what you say is true, then we should be seeing years where there is some snow, and other years where there is not. However, the trend indicates that the disappearance of snow, and increase of the temperature has been steadily going one way, for some time now.
    Although I agree that we should not be in any hysteria about global warming, I can't agree with the opinion that global warming is not real. It is, and it is one reason why the polar ice caps have been melting at an alarming rate. It is also the reason why larger and larger pieces of Antarctica have been breaking off recently. After all, what's wrong with taking care of our planet in the first place?

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    Molenir

    lol, I did mention the city right? You've heard of the heat island effect? As for your some years its colder, and so we should see snow. I'm originally from Phoenix, Arizona. And snow is a once every 12 years or so phenomenon. Every dozen years, amazingly enough, we'll get a tiny bit of snow. The rest of the time, none. Guess its only global warming 11 out of 12 years right?

    Regarding the ice breaking off, I'm not convinced of this. There is simply insufficient evidence of this. Ice is always breaking off. Thats why you see Icebergs floating south (or north) every year. Having said this, I think taking care of the planet is a good thing. I just don't think using unproven scientific ideas to send people into unjustified panic is the way to go. Particularly when those theories are proven false, as most theories eventually are. Will the public be as trusting of science when the hysteria fades, and they learn it was all a mistake? That really is my greatest concern over this.

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    Hotbox08

    You've heard of the heat island effect?

    lol Yes I have. Unfortunately, that should only apply to metropolitan areas. The decrease in snow and lower temperatures have been happening even in remote mountain areas. This is why many ski resorts have been steadily losing money, for the past decade.

    I just don't think using unproven scientific ideas to send people into unjustified panic is the way to go.

    True. We shouldn't panic. Yet, I disagree that we should just go about and do things as we have normally done things. Of course, I'm not proposing we scrap all our daily conveniences. Although I own a house, I choose not to drive a car (I use mass transit), I respect others' right to have one. I just hate the fact that many I see idle their cars while sleeping in them. Think about all that carbon monoxide being spewed out. It just doesn't make sense. I never said that we should panic, but I do feel that doing things with a bit of concern for the environment is not bad at all.

    Thats why you see Icebergs floating south (or north) every year

    Sure, icebergs floating do happen. An ice shelf though is another story. Within the past several years, no less than two large ice shelves (large pieces of ice, much larger than icebergs, up to 200+ miles in length) from Antarctica have broken off. Now, I'm not downplaying the danger of icebergs, but c'mon, an iceberg is a mere pebble, compared the the size of an ice shelf. Anyway, yes, we probably will never feel the effects of these climactic changes in our lifetime (ice shelves move slowly and thus melt at a slow rate; and in turn water levels will rise slowly - at approximately 8 mm. per year, according to the latest evidence). However, I do not feel that we should do things without understanding the consequences of our actions.

    Then again, much of the climactic changes probably can be attributed to these EPA most wanted: http://www.epa.gov/fugitives/

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    Molenir

    See, I agree with the idea of doing more for the environment, but I think using the spectre of global warming to sell it, is a mistake. As I mentioned before, the theory of human caused climate change while possible, is unproven, and there is strong evidence that suggests alternate theories are the way to go. Whats also worrying to me, is the attempts to silence skeptics of this theory. Its seems to have become less about science and more about religion.

    Think we've both stated our opinions about the debate here though. Probably about time to move on. :)

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    Hotbox08

    Think we've both stated our opinions about the debate here though. Probably about time to move on. :)

    Amen to that.

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