Monday May 28, 2012

N Korea threatens to shoot down U.S. spy planes

SEOUL —

North Korea accused the United States of spying on the site of an impending rocket launch and threatened Wednesday to shoot down any U.S. planes that intrude into its airspace.
 
North Korea says it will send a communications satellite into orbit on a multistage rocket between April 4 and 8. The U.S., South Korea and Japan think the reclusive country is using the launch to test long-range missile technology, and they warn Pyongyang would face sanctions under a U.N. Security Council resolution banning the country from ballistic activity.
 
Pyongyang’s state radio accused U.S. RC-135 surveillance aircraft of spying on the launch site on its northeast coast, according to South Korea’s Unification Ministry, which is in charge of monitoring the North.
 
“If the brigandish U.S. imperialists dare to infiltrate spy planes into our airspace to interfere with our peaceful satellite launch preparations, our revolutionary armed forces will mercilessly shoot them down,” the ministry quoted the radio as saying.
 
It is unclear what capability the North Korea has to shoot down the high-flying Boeing RC-135, which can reach altitudes of nearly 15 kilometers high. The threat came a day after the North claimed the U.S. and South Korea conducted about 190 spy flights over its territory in March, including over the sea off the launch site.
 
The U.S. military in South Korea declined to comment on the spying allegations or the North’s threat.
 
The International Crisis Group, a Brussels-based think tank that provides detailed analysis about North Korea—said in a report that the country is believed to have “assembled and deployed nuclear warheads” recently for its medium-range Rodong missiles, which are capable of striking Japan.
 
But its Seoul-based expert, Daniel Pinkston, said it is unclear if it has mastered the technology necessary to miniaturize the warheads and put them on Rodong missiles, which have a range of 1,000 to 1,500 kilometers.
 
The group called for a “calm, coordinated” response to the launch, saying overreaction could jeopardize six-nation talks aimed at ridding the North of nuclear weapons programs. Pyongyang has threatened to quit the negotiations if its “peaceful” space program is taken up by the Security Council.
 
Kim Tae-woo, a missile expert at Seoul’s state-run Korea Institute for Defense Analyses, said a recent commercial image shows a round-shaped top at the North’s rocket, possibly suggesting it could be a satellite as Pyongyang claims. But he stressed the object could be designed to disguise a missile test.
 
“It was not shaped like a warhead,” Kim said. “But the North can put anything atop the rocket for a missile test as long as it weighs the same as a warhead.”
 
Two U.S. destroyers are believed to have departed from South Korea to monitor the rocket launch. South Korea is also dispatching its Aegis-equipped destroyer, according to a Seoul military official who asked not to be named, citing department policy.
 
Adding to the complexity of the situation, the North announced Tuesday it will indict and try two American journalists accused of crossing the border illegally from China on March 17 and engaging in “hostile acts.”

Wire reports

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    some14some

    Ok, US will stop such spy activities from today till rocket is shot down by Japan.

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    Okinawamike

    Was not the last "Spyplane" the north shot down full of civilans?

    Korean Airlines to be exact!

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    Okinawamike

    Sorry that was Russia.

    The last plane to be downed by the North was in 1969. "April 1969 when a North Korean plane shot down a U.S. Navy EC-121 surveillance plane, killing all 31 Americans aboard."

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    NuckinFutz

    More hot air from the world's poster boy for birth control!

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    combinibento

    This is one of the rare occasions I'll on which I'll have to side with NK. Assuming US spyplanes are indeed flying over their country, they should have the right to shoot them down. I know dang well the US would shoot down an unwanted spyplane over it's land (and does so routinely even in the middle east....)

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    techall

    @Okinawamike, I worked with anb knew two of the sailors on that plane, still sticks in my craw. They were not in N.Korea air space (but N.K. thought they were). @combinibento, They don't actually have to be in N.K airspace to collect the intellegence but some people get antsy if they think they are being spied upon.

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    techall

    Sorry, I put this in the wrong thread.

    I'd like to see N.K. try to shoot daown an SR71 Blackbird. At Mach 3 (a lot faster than any surface to air missile) they would only be over N.K. for a matter of minutes and they would be at 90,000 feet when they did.

    Any Air Force people out there?, could the U.S. shoot down a Blackbird???

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    Nessie

    See, this is exactly why NK needs those missiles.

    To shoot down planes surveiling the missiles it needs to shoot down surveilance planes surveiling the missiles it needs to shoot down...

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    SushiSake3

    I think the North has a very capable defence strategy against foreign spy planes or any airborne carbon-based lifeforms or otherwise, for that matter: simply get that scary NK news presenter woman to stand outside her studio and roar for a bit.

    That's sure to bring down anything flying overhead. :-)

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    techall

    Maybe Monsanto should take out the N. Korean rice crop three years in a row again, and this time don't send them any food so they can feed the military. When they get really hungry, they will get rid of the idiot all by themselves.

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    TokyoHustla

    techall,

    SR-71s are no longer in service

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    techall

    @TokyoHustla: You are correct, they have been retired twice, but still the fastest, highest flying planes ever made and there are still some that can be put back into service very quickly.

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    likeitis

    North Korea is still technically at war with South Korea. Spying on a country at war is not exactly what one would call a hazard free occupation.

    On the other hand, I would not expect warm words from the U.S. if North Korean spy planes were anywhere near the U.S. making rounds in the "interest of peace."

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    Nessie

    Maybe Monsanto should take out the N. Korean rice crop three years in a row again, and this time don't send them any food

    I think you're looking for the nutty conspiracy thread, Tech. That's over here:

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/poll/view/which-conspiracy-theory-would-you-most-like-to-find-out-the-truth-about

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    nanotechnology

    another possible spy plane of the US: http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/x-45-ucav/x-45-ucav4.html

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    If the commercial imagery satellite owned by Digital Globe Inc. can see a sedan and a motorcycle, how much more is the US Military satellite can see. Perhaps, the brand of the tires used by the vehicles or the newspapers that Kim Jong is reading in his balcony can also be read by the US spy satellite.

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    U2 is obsolete since the Cuban crisis in 1961. First generation anti-aircraft missile can shootdown U2 already since 1961.

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    grafton

    “If the brigandish U.S. imperialists dare to infiltrate spy planes into our airspace to interfere with our peaceful satellite launch preparations, our revolutionary armed forces will mercilessly shoot them down,”

    This is the infantile & melodramatic quote that generated the headline to this article & I get the impression it was designed for domestic consumption, unless of course NK is stupid enough to believe the rest of the world is equally as dumb as its own people & believes this type of rhetoric.

    I like the line that says, “It is unclear what capability the North Korea has to shoot down the high-flying Boeing RC-135, which can reach altitudes of nearly 15 kilometres high.” Not being a war toys otaku I don’t know much about missiles so I translate this line as meaning NK hasn’t got the where-with-all to shoot down a RC-135.

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    techall

    @Nessie, Just thought I'd throw that out there. Don't really think Monsanto did it, but not above the CIA to consider, awful convenient to have crop failures three years in a row. I know one or two were due to weather but one was blight (hit Japan too if you remeber).

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    sharky1

    "mercilessly shoot them down" as opposed to mercifully shooting them down??? Does NK have anything that could shoot that high and stay on course???

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    kanadamanada

    I'll tell you what they've got in NK: 270 SA-2 launchers, 32 SA-3 launchers, and 36 SA-5 launchers. The SA-5 can go 30Km up, in a hurry. The Sa-3 is really not for use against anythng but small aircraft and cruise missiles. The SA-2 can go 20Km up and it's important to note that they've got 270 of them to throw away. No amount of countermeasures on the RC-135 is gonna save it is the NKs REALLY want to take one down and don't mind chucking a bunch of SA--2s up to do the job. If the NKs get a spyplane on their scopes, they ought to take it down. That's their sovereign right.

    However, the fact is that the U.S. would be flying UAVs through the valleys and only poking their heads up to get the quick pics they need then it's straight back to the flight deck or to SK. No lives at risk and almost no chance of a NK shootdown if flown at night. If JT wants somebody to write a decent article about the reality on the peninsula, they can get in touch with me. Some editorial content wouldn't be bad now, would it?

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    USNinJapan2

    Get real people. The US doesn't need to intrude into DPRK airpspace to collect the kind of intel we would be looking for from this launch. Not by a mile. God help the North Koreans if they fire on any aircraft flying in international airspace that doesn't belong to them.

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    teleprompter

    Another "clenched fist."

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    JohnBecker

    Doesn't NK ever get tired of being the stupid one in the room? As USNinJapan said, the U.S. has no need to enter NK airspace. That's what spy satellites are for.

    Still, it would be kinda cool to pull a Blackbird out of mothballs and send it in for some low-level recon... about 50 feet off the deck. By the time they were done pissing their pants, it would be long gone.

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    Nessie

    Nessie, Just thought I'd throw that out there. Don't really think Monsanto did it, but not above the CIA to consider

    Thanks, Tech. Just wondering if you had anything at all to support your theory. It would be interesting if you did.

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    Helter_Skelter

    N Korea threatens to shoot down U.S. spy planes

    They certainly needn't worry about any consequences. Obama's not going to do anything about it.

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    OssanAmerica

    I know dang well the US would shoot down an unwanted spyplane over it's >land (and does so routinely even in the middle east....)

    Disagree. We have the capability to force down an intruder so we don't "have to" shoot it down and waste the chance to obtain information and maybe get a pilot(s) for a negotiating chip. If the intruder were in any way suspected to be aggressive of course it would be shot down. BTW the "middle east" isn't US territory.

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    OssanAmerica

    Not being a war toys otaku I don’t know much about missiles so I >translate this line as meaning NK hasn’t got the where-with-all to shoot >down a RC-135.

    I seem to recall an incident a few years back when a pair of North Korea Mig-27s challenged one of our RC-0135s in international airspace. I would assume then they concievably could have shot it down.

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    techall

    @Nessie: The CIA have been accused of everything from manipulating the weather to developing and spreading the AIDS virus, why not cause famine? No proof of any of this has ever been descovered and maybe you are right this might belong on the nutty conspiricy thread.

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